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S90 moving people - fuzzy images
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As I've said before, you should spend more time thinking and less time quoting.
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I'm sorry you have to see this. Actually, you don't have to see it, you could ignore it. Anyway - as I've said in my response to Bill, I've been visiting dpreview for over 10 years. I've seen a lot. It's ugly sometimes, but it turns out that persistence usually pays off. If you keep pressing people to defend their positions with facts and reasons rather than insults or appeals to questionable authorities, it does ultimately elevate the level of discussion - even if it does create some ugliness in the short term.
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Taking it off line would be absurd, and it's quite easy to read only what you find appealing. In any case "Have fun replying to the aether" should have indicated that the Billy/Ronnie branch will only be extended by Master Ronnie, which I'm sure that you'll find gratifying, and which should give Ronnie more time to do what he apparently was born to do - lecture. One only hopes that "Professor" Parr doesn't insult and talk down to his students as he tries to do here.
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PuzzleGal
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I'm not very experienced, either, but I'll comment on a couple of your settings
It will burn more battery power if you set IS to continuous, but it makes it easier to see (on the screen) what the photo will look like. I don't think there are any other disadvantages, but I'm not sure.
This surprises me. I often turn the flash down either because I just want a little fill flash or because I want to take a picture like "Christmas tree at night" and want to see the rest of the room but preserve the sense that the room is dark. But for random snapshots, I'd think you would want the flash at 0.
I prefer 2nd curtain. As others have said, when you use slow synch, if you have 2nd curtain you get a focused image with a ghostly trail behind it, and with 1st curtain you get the ghostly trail in front of the subject. I find the second more pleasing. If you aren't using slow synch I don't think there'd be any real difference. I don't know when 1st curtain is better - maybe if you are trying to catch something fast and want to get the flash in right away? But then why use sly sync at all?
If you like a more vivid appearance you might want to play with these a little. I gather that the defaults are set "realistic" or "dull" because that's what people who play in post-processing prefer. But I don't do much post-processing, and it doesn't sound like you do, either.
The rest all looks fine, to the extent I have an opinion.
PaulRivers
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The recent G11 review (which uses the same sensor, and the same chip) from dpreview says that you get more effective image stabilization by a stop or two if you use IS Continuous, rather than Shot Only. So IS Continuous seems like the best bet.
I also use -1 flash compensation - I find it works pretty well, move than that and picture of people always seem to get blown out and flatted by the flash. When you have clipped highlights, there's not much you can do, as I know from an otherwise good picture I have that I cannot recover some highlights from (the guy was wearing a white shirt, there's no texture on the shirt any more). Technically, for that shot for some reason I seem to have set the flash to +2 (???), but in my experience so far -1 seems good.
If you want to get non-blurry pictures in really low light, you often have to force the shutter speed. Other people have mentioned using manual modes, I like to use TV (shutter priority - I know, shouldn't it be SP or something?). I find that 1/60 is the minimum acceptable speed for photos with somewhat moving people in it (like people walking).
On the one hand, I wish the s90's auto settings were better sometimes (like that second pic where it chose iso80 but 1/4 shutter speed - wth?). On the other hand, one of the great things about the s90 is your ability to manually control these kind of things. I know every single one of my previous compact cameras also took a lot of crap shots in low lighting like that.
P.S. If you you don't like shutter priority, the Kids and Pets scene mode also tends not to let the shutter speed drop below 1/60, and lets you set the flash to "On", rather than just "Auto".
I also use -1 flash compensation - I find it works pretty well, move than that and picture of people always seem to get blown out and flatted by the flash. When you have clipped highlights, there's not much you can do, as I know from an otherwise good picture I have that I cannot recover some highlights from (the guy was wearing a white shirt, there's no texture on the shirt any more). Technically, for that shot for some reason I seem to have set the flash to +2 (???), but in my experience so far -1 seems good.
If you want to get non-blurry pictures in really low light, you often have to force the shutter speed. Other people have mentioned using manual modes, I like to use TV (shutter priority - I know, shouldn't it be SP or something?). I find that 1/60 is the minimum acceptable speed for photos with somewhat moving people in it (like people walking).
On the one hand, I wish the s90's auto settings were better sometimes (like that second pic where it chose iso80 but 1/4 shutter speed - wth?). On the other hand, one of the great things about the s90 is your ability to manually control these kind of things. I know every single one of my previous compact cameras also took a lot of crap shots in low lighting like that.
P.S. If you you don't like shutter priority, the Kids and Pets scene mode also tends not to let the shutter speed drop below 1/60, and lets you set the flash to "On", rather than just "Auto".
I'll try with i-Contrast off to see how the images come up. I turned on blink detection as well.
Flash exp was set to -1 because I read in other threads that S90 has a strong flash...which I tend to agree with. Some images are just so bright.
Thanks for your reply.
Flash exp was set to -1 because I read in other threads that S90 has a strong flash...which I tend to agree with. Some images are just so bright.
Thanks for your reply.
I changed it to IS to continuous.
Flash was set to -1 because other threads mentioned that flash is pretty strong in this camera and I have noticed that as well.
I have no idea about shutter sync. I was setting it up based on someone's post here. But i will read up more on that. Maybe 2nd curtain makes sense like you said.
You are correct, I have never done post processing. I'll look into these settings more. (ISO, AWB, etc.)
Thanks for your reply.
Flash was set to -1 because other threads mentioned that flash is pretty strong in this camera and I have noticed that as well.
I have no idea about shutter sync. I was setting it up based on someone's post here. But i will read up more on that. Maybe 2nd curtain makes sense like you said.
You are correct, I have never done post processing. I'll look into these settings more. (ISO, AWB, etc.)
Thanks for your reply.
I changed IS to Continuous based on feedback in this thread including yours.
You are correct about the flash on S90. -1 seems to work right. Anything over is just too bright.
I'll read up on the shutter priority mode.
Yeah, Auto mode is pretty bad on this camera. For example, choosing really high ISO versus choosing flash. I think that's where I miss my Canon SD870IS. I feel Auto mode was great in that camera. I take a lot of pics of my son and I feel that S90 is not gving me the same results in Auto mode that SD870IS gives. Maybe I need to start using various scene modes like kids & pets as you suggest so that the camera chooses fast shutter speeds. But you would think $400 camera would take care of you automatically
Thanks for your reply.
You are correct about the flash on S90. -1 seems to work right. Anything over is just too bright.
I'll read up on the shutter priority mode.
Yeah, Auto mode is pretty bad on this camera. For example, choosing really high ISO versus choosing flash. I think that's where I miss my Canon SD870IS. I feel Auto mode was great in that camera. I take a lot of pics of my son and I feel that S90 is not gving me the same results in Auto mode that SD870IS gives. Maybe I need to start using various scene modes like kids & pets as you suggest so that the camera chooses fast shutter speeds. But you would think $400 camera would take care of you automatically
Thanks for your reply.
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