S90, unreasonable expectations and a New Year's resolution (Long)

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This post is a bit of a long ramble about my experience and the effect of distorted expectations on the enjoyment of an excellent new S90 (or any camera or purchase for that matter). Maybe some of you can relate to this. If it is of no interest to you, please stop reading now! :-)

I purchased a Canon S90 shortly following its release after using a Kodak DX7440 for about 5 years (my first digital camera). I did a good bit of research and made what I believed to be a logical, well thought out decision. I still have tons to learn and a lot of experimenting to do, but I’ve taken some very nice shots with the camera (as well as some real duds, but that’s to be expected).

So, what’s the problem, you ask? I guess with all of the pre and post-release hype, I was expecting something more. I am not a pixel peeper and when I do print pictures (not often), so far I have printed at modest sizes. When I look back at some of the pictures I have taken with my Kodak (4 MP), I have many shots (taken in good light at 80 ISO equivalent and not viewed critically) that rival those taken with the S90 or any other camera. At higher ISO there is, of course, no contest, and I’m sure if I pixel peeped comparable images at even at base ISO I would see that the “state-of-the-art” S90 has much better IQ. Nonetheless, I suppose I was expecting the quality difference to be easily evident to anyone in almost all situations. I am fully aware these are unreasonably high expectations, and therein lies the issue.

Instead of allowing myself to thoroughly enjoy this wonderful device and the picture-taking process, I often find myself hyper-analyzing the shots I take, focusing on shortcomings, failing to see the positives and occasionally wondering whether I would have been just as well off continuing to use my Kodak or purchasing any other current pocket camera, all of which I’m sure can provide a very nice picture in many situations.

I wonder how many others have found themselves slightly disappointed after buying a camera because of inexperience and/or having had expectations that are out of whack with reality. Based upon some posts I see on these forums, I think I am clearly not the only one. I also wonder how many people wind up returning cameras because of unreasonable expectations.

I guess my somewhat open-ended question is whether any of you have had similar feelings about camera purchases in the past and, if so, what have you learned along the way? Advice is welcome and encouraged (but, of course, will be taken with a grain of salt :-)).

As we approach the new year, I will resolve to enjoy my journey more and analyze less. :-)

Here’s a picture from the S90 that provides just one example/reminder of why I bought the camera and, despite any indication in my ramblings to the contrary, believe it’s great. (Shot on Program Mode at ISO 400, Aperture Value 2.0, Shutter Speed 1/60)



Thanks for listening/responding/humoring me. A Happy, Healthy New Year to all!
 
... after several years with P&S I finally ventured into the wonderful? world of DSLRs. Talk about frustration and long learing curve. You have no idea until you try a DSLR. Far too many and varied reasons to go into here, let's just say it is an amazing journey but the final results, assuming I ever get there, are well worth it...

Jim
 
My moment of truth came when moving from a G1 to the XTi. Same problem, after buying an XTi I realized in good light and a low ISO, printed at a modest size I preferred the G1 to the XTi. Reality set in when the light dropped and the shots became more of a challenge. After more use I came to realize that the XTi really did have the horsepower to muscle through dynamics that with the G1 would have meant giving up the shot.

When I picked up the S90 I had to start over again with the learning curve but since I bought the S90 strictly for low light pocketable use I didnt use it much in good light during my learning curve. I was blown away with it's abilities and in pushing the envelope I uncovered a few short comings that in hindsight are really to be expected. It doesnt focus well in low light, strobes and other flashes appear to distract the autofocus, it's not a quick snap shooter and auto settings are a little wonky. I normally use program but my wife picks it up and runs auto only.

But in good light on stable subjects at modest print size it's nae better than my old Olympus S300 3.2mp camera and my wife likes it less than her S3 IS for auto.
 
The situation you describe isn't just applicable to the s90, or cameras in general...it's evident in car racing, music, bike racing, motocross, etc... basically any hobby that requires skill. "You mean this (insert widget) doesn't make me perform better??..."

The gap is so close now for technology between different cameras, it's hard to find where some shine and others don't (otherwise would DPreview really need 20+ pages to review a camera??) The fact is, a good photographer will get great results from whatever he is using, within reason.

The rate of diminishing returns hits very fast when you are shooting snapshots with a P&S cam...how good is a poorly lit, quickly shot, un-carefully composed photo going to turn out on any camera? I can take just as awful a snap on my DSLR as I can on an s90, even more so if I wish. It takes skill and thought to make good images. Sure, one camera may be more forgiving under certain circumstances, but that's where the diminishing returns comes in...the equipment can only help so much.

Bottom line is, the subtle advantages gained from a better piece of gear are often lost due to user error or lack of skill, and the first suspect is always the gear...
 
In that shot...

Is prime rib being served? The sharp knives are a clue. I notice lately that many servings are without spoons. This bothers me. Is there a shortage? I can't quite make out the labels, but I assume red and white are uncorked or, perhaps, two reds?

We struggle with cameras and the images they produce. My wife and I. After three decades [each] in graphic arts we tend to be a bit critical. We both are P&S'ers - pissers. No formal photography training, but have been working with images and imaging for a loooong time. Anyone remember Hell scanners? We love taking pictures and are critical of our pictures, but don't like carrying a lot of stuff around. We believe in the having the right tool for the job, but like carrying the tool in our pocket or purse.

We recently bought a S90.

Rebecca went swimming with our SD850; accidentally while trying to get the perfect shot on a lake in Maine. It was a slow death. For the camera.

We tried several cameras from both online resellers and local camera shops. We always made sure we could return the camera(s) even if it meant paying a restocking fee. We took lots of pictures and did lots of pixel peeping. Yes, we were disappointed with images, reviews and forum hype. After three cameras we settled on the S90. We decided it would be HER Christmas present.

I guess we could have kept trying more cameras and returning them, but the S90 did everything we were expecting so we kept it. And we like it.

I see nothing wrong with trying a tool before you commit to it. Most reputable sources expect that you expect the product will meet you expectations. If it doesn't, then you should let them know. It only makes for better product...and image!

Have a happy New Year!
 
Thank you. I think that's the nicest thing thing anyone has said to me in some time! LOL.
 
So, what’s the problem, you ask? I guess with all of the pre and post-release hype, I was expecting something more. I am not a pixel peeper and when I do print pictures (not often), so far I have printed at modest sizes. When I look back at some of the pictures I have taken with my Kodak (4 MP), I have many shots (taken in good light at 80 ISO equivalent and not viewed critically) that rival those taken with the S90 or any other camera.
This is true of any recent camera with 4-5MP or more. Any camera can take good shots in good light.
At higher ISO there is, of course, no contest,
This is where the S90 starts to show its advantages.
I’m sure if I pixel peeped comparable images at even at base ISO I would see that the “state-of-the-art” S90 has much better IQ.
I don't know about 'much' better, but there might be some tiny differences that I would describe as pixel peeping.
Nonetheless, I suppose I was expecting the quality difference to be easily evident to anyone in almost all situations. I am fully aware these are unreasonably high expectations, and therein lies the issue.
Yes, this was an unrealistic expectation, its not magic.
Instead of allowing myself to thoroughly enjoy this wonderful device and the picture-taking process, I often find myself hyper-analyzing the shots I take, focusing on shortcomings, failing to see the positives and occasionally wondering whether I would have been just as well off continuing to use my Kodak or purchasing any other current pocket camera, all of which I’m sure can provide a very nice picture in many situations.
Now you're at a crossroads, is your goal to 'take a very nice picture in many situations', or something more demanding? Analyzing shortcomings is a healthy process, but only if those shortcomings are preventing you from achieving a reasonable goal. Analysis for the sake of analysis is the definition of pixel peeping, and is most likely a waste of your time.
I wonder how many others have found themselves slightly disappointed after buying a camera because of inexperience and/or having had expectations that are out of whack with reality. Based upon some posts I see on these forums, I think I am clearly not the only one. I also wonder how many people wind up returning cameras because of unreasonable expectations.
Too many to count.
I guess my somewhat open-ended question is whether any of you have had similar feelings about camera purchases in the past and, if so, what have you learned along the way?
I bought my S90 after shooting film from the late '70s through 2003 when I bought a Canon 10D DSLR. The prints I produce with the 10D are better than what I did with film. The S90 high-ISO is superior to my 10D, and even the low-ISO shots are slightly better than most of my 10D shots in comparison. Having started with manual focus and film, my expectations of what a camera can do are very realistic, so I've never been disappointed with any camera.

I notice many people on these forums expect to just press the button and magically receive a perfect photo every time, regardless of the situation, which is frankly impossible at today's technological levels. Their problem is they just don't understand the technology behind making an image, so they don't know that they're exceeding what is possible at their chosen price point. Each step up the ladder in terms of camera sophistication costs money, sometimes lots of it for relatively small improvements, so its up to the user to determine if the shot that got away was important enough to spend more money to be able to get that shot the next time. You can spend $5k on a single DSLR body, and another $10-20k or more on a set of lenses and still find situations where the camera just didn't get the shot you wanted. There are articles on the web where the Super Bowl photogs were delivering very low percentages of in focus shots, even though they were using a camera/lens combination ~$10k in cost and were professional photographers trained in shooting sporting events.

So my parting shot is, if you have a problem, pursue a solution, otherwise just keep taking pictures and be happy. Don't make artificial problems for yourself by over analyzing things that don't really matter.
 
I've done that with cameras too. Along the way though sometimes I'd look back and think man, what was I thinking. I had a G9 and sometimes nagged to myself about the IQ after having other cameras since, I see I wasnt thinking right. I just sent back a Fuji F70, it's IQ was bad even at screen sizes. I look back at my G9 images from last year and think man that camera was awesome! I see the S90 shots people are getting and think the same. we can definately have over expectations but compared to what is out there right now, hug your S90 lol. Go check out some of the other forums on here and the images posted from other P&S cams, man you will appreciate your S90 a LOT after doing that. Happy New Year! And if you still really don't like it, I'll be happy to send you my address hehheehhe :)
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Photography shots
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Snap shots
http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/randsphoto/
 
The situation you describe isn't just applicable to the s90, or cameras in general...it's evident in car racing, music, bike racing, motocross, etc... basically any hobby that requires skill. "You mean this (insert widget) doesn't make me perform better??..."
Bottom line is, the subtle advantages gained from a better piece of gear are often lost due to user error or lack of skill, and the first suspect is always the gear...
Very true. And the knowledge of this fact is very helpful when faced with the challenges of a new hobby. I have been involved with music since I was a child and am always amazed at how much money some people will pay for a "professional" level instrument in the hopes that it will make them sound better. The instrument can make a difference to a degree, but you have to know how to play it in the first place, and in some cases a professional (fill in the blank) can be harder to get good results from than somehthing made for a beginner.

In the case of the S90, I think it does strike a good balance between ease of use and control for more advanced photographers.
 
In that shot...

Is prime rib being served? The sharp knives are a clue. I notice lately that many servings are without spoons. This bothers me. Is there a shortage? I can't quite make out the labels, but I assume red and white are uncorked or, perhaps, two reds?
Haha. Actually, I think filet mignon and chicken were being served.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
So my parting shot is, if you have a problem, pursue a solution, otherwise just keep taking pictures and be happy. Don't make artificial problems for yourself by over analyzing things that don't really matter.
Very good advice. Thanks for your input.
 
...which is quite easy with all the bashing going on about ergonomics, build quality, image quality, comparisons with the competition and price.
I wonder how many others have found themselves slightly disappointed after buying a camera because of inexperience and/or having had expectations that are out of whack with reality. Based upon some posts I see on these forums, I think I am clearly not the only one. I also wonder how many people wind up returning cameras because of unreasonable expectations.

I guess my somewhat open-ended question is whether any of you have had similar feelings about camera purchases in the past and, if so, what have you learned along the way? Advice is welcome and encouraged (but, of course, will be taken with a grain of salt).
 
compared to what is out there right now, hug your S90 lol. Go check out some of the other forums on here and the images posted from other P&S cams, man you will appreciate your S90 a LOT after doing that. Happy New Year! And if you still really don't like it, I'll be happy to send you my address hehheehhe :)
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Thanks for the offer. LOL I know it's a terrific little camera and I am certain I am not going to get better results with some other P&S. TO the extent that ther is ANY issue, I understand that I am the limiting factor in the equation -- and I am going to work hard to learn and resuce those limitations.

All the best.
 
I was initially worried about dark shadow details with S90. I was disappointed. Then I looked at similar shots I had taken with my 5D and they were about the same. I had just forgotten what shadows normally look like.
 
Good deal, I'm sure you'll look back and really appreciate the shots you can get with that camera. I'm looking forward to getting some myself next month after the refund of my lemon gumball machine cam I just returned lol.

Take a peek at this, this is out of the cam, with a state of the art fuji EXR camera... bleeeh!!! I'm looking forward to having the choice of applying NR in my shots, this cam had almost zero noise but butt loads of NR even at base iso. I'd rather have noise and sharp shots.



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Photography shots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/invisodude/

Snap shots
http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/randsphoto/
 
I've done that kinda thing too! I'd see noise at ISO 400 with my G9 and somehow be thinking my DSLR was perfect zero noise kabillions of perfect pixels.. then I'd really look at a raw file and think oh yeah, there is noise there too! Not as much, but it's not as different as I spun in my head.
I was initially worried about dark shadow details with S90. I was disappointed. Then I looked at similar shots I had taken with my 5D and they were about the same. I had just forgotten what shadows normally look like.
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Photography shots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/invisodude/

Snap shots
http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/randsphoto/
 
It is interesting how the mind has selective memory sometimes, isn't it.
 
Normal people, like yourself, have normal expectations.

Your old camera was 4MP. Your new camera is 10MP. Thus anyone would normally expect that your pictures have twice the resolution.

This isn't the way it works - it's marketing math. Instead, you get like 10-20% more resolution.

All the cameras are pretty much the same way, but a lot of people are disappointed to find that the expectations the marketing has generated aren't met at all. The only reason you don't get more positive responses is that the kind of people reading dpreview have just gotten used to that being the case.

Your reaction is certainly completely in the norm.
 
I believe it's important to find a camera that "Feels" right to you. By that I mean that most cameras today are more capable of great imagery than most users are. Reading the information available on the web and other places will often blur that truth with technical quasi-scientific examples of other's opinions. Find a camera that's easy for you to use and that produces images you like.

I have always thought that the Kodak sensors did a wonderful job with color. Hard to explain but I like their colors just a little more. It's for this "liking the color" reason that my primary use digital camera is a Sigma DP1. I just adore the colors.

I purchase new cameras for specific reasons. I purchased the S90 for it's low light capability and it's very small size. It exceeds my expectations on each count. Whether or not it technically matches another camera in various situations is of absolutely no consequence to me. To put this another way, I liked your image but what truly matters is that YOU liked your image, good job. Keep up the good work.

Charles
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