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Need to do something today for tax purposes!
Have followed the similar threads, but not exactly my situation.

I mainly take Macro plus a little motorsport and a little landscape plus very little portrait.

I am looking at selling prints and am not sure just how big I can go with the 7d, with 'L' Glass and all other things being equal.
Would appreciate any serious response.
I am in Oz.

Also if you have purchased a good deal in Oz from Oz stock, i would be pleased to hear from you.
7D or 5D Mkii?
John.
P.S. Will post on the 5D Forum as well.
 
Sounds like you want a 7D not a 5D2.

5D will have noticably better IQ especialy in lwo light for super large prints but overall you probably will suit a 7D more.
 
Although I have the 50D and 7D, I have not printed any of the 7D images yet but often print substantial crops from the 50D in the 13x19 inch size and believe that the image quality is sufficient to go larger with no problem and the 7D offers slightly more definition than the 50D.

For motor sports, the better focus capabilities and 8 frames per second offers a substantial improvement over the 5D; however, the 5D should offer a small improvement for both portrait and landscapes. The main reason that I am looking at going FF in the future is the better seperation of the subject from the backgroud which, dependent on your style, could be a major advantage for the 5D.

The 7D will also save you sufficient money to purchase a nice L lens.

All decisions like this are comprimises but in this case, knowing no other constraints, I would be swayed toward the 7D.

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CTDana
 
IMNSHO, right decision. 7D. You need the extra reach of the 1.6 crop, and the faster focusing of the 7D. Have a look at my website for speedway pics taken in very low light.

I work for a printing company, and we plaster the walls with my photos. I've just put up a new one at A0 (1189mm x 841mm) and it's fine, I've done prints bigger than that as well...

G
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The 100L will work much better on 7D. Not only 1.6x more enlargement at 1:1 but also the fast AI servo mode enables one to take better hand held macro at close distance.
 
Thank you all for your confirmation. I have tossed this around since the 7D was released and had to make a decision today. (Last day for a 50% tax rebate).

BTW, I have around $2k OzDollars put aside for an all round 'L' lens - Any recommendations?
John.
 
I shoot both the 5d2 and 7d. My favorite walk around lenses are my 24-105 for BOTH cameras outside. The 70-200/2.8is is also a favorite for indoor shooting...as well as my 35L and 85L (if you're interested in primes).

It's about 6 one way and a half dozen the other for the two zooms. I couldn't live without either the 24-105 or the 70-200.

The 17-55is non-L is getting a lot of good press though. If you're not going to pursue a full frame camera, this may be worth the look...and it would match up nicely with a 70-200 of any aperture or IS combo.

Good Luck

j
 
Many thanks,
Looking forward to the arrival of the new baby on Tuesday AESDST.

I guess that i will have to toss up twixt those two lens. I have a couple of EF lens that I will use to get the hang of the 7D first.
Regards and a HNY, John.
 
7D has visable noise even at iso 100. I'd not even bother considering it TBH
mxmaster said:
Need to do something today for tax purposes!
Have followed the similar threads, but not exactly my situation.

I mainly take Macro plus a little motorsport and a little landscape plus very little portrait.

I am looking at selling prints and am not sure just how big I can go with the 7d, with 'L' Glass and all other things being equal.
Would appreciate any serious response.
I am in Oz.

Also if you have purchased a good deal in Oz from Oz stock, i would be pleased to hear from you.
7D or 5D Mkii?
John.
P.S. Will post on the 5D Forum as well.
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Ignore the old busted recordings complaining of low ISO noise. I think some of them may even be confusing noise with detail If they shot grey cards at 100 ISO they'd still be eyestraining looking for it. Just about everything else you see will have some slight variation, be it in nature, fading paint etc.

What I am seeing is an even sharper focus (main lenses 100-400 L & 17-55mm F2.8 IS), and the ability to heavily crop and still print at A3+

For those that sit at the screen all day doing 100% pixel peeps, nothing will soothe thier ulcers. But for those of us who actually print images, re-size for the net etc, I'm seeing better than what I got out of the 40D or 50D that preceeded it.

Enjoy your new purchase, and the extra shots you wiull nail with it.
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The Aussie Viking
 
Vibrio .... ¿Visible noise at 100 ASA? ¿are you joking? ¿or simply a troll?. I bet you to demonstrate the noise with one of your noiser 100 ASA images!!!
 
5D2 has more detail and less noise than the 7D which is why I bought it because it has better IQ
The Aussie Viking said:
Ignore the old busted recordings complaining of low ISO noise. I think some of them may even be confusing noise with detail If they shot grey cards at 100 ISO they'd still be eyestraining looking for it. Just about everything else you see will have some slight variation, be it in nature, fading paint etc.

What I am seeing is an even sharper focus (main lenses 100-400 L & 17-55mm F2.8 IS), and the ability to heavily crop and still print at A3+

For those that sit at the screen all day doing 100% pixel peeps, nothing will soothe thier ulcers. But for those of us who actually print images, re-size for the net etc, I'm seeing better than what I got out of the 40D or 50D that preceeded it.

Enjoy your new purchase, and the extra shots you wiull nail with it.
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The Aussie Viking
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I benchmarked a 5DMkII up against a 50D in Singapore in October. In low light the AF of the 5dMkII struggled (24-70 F2.8 L lens) in comparison with the 50D with a 17-55mm F2.8 IS lens.

Sure, the 5DMkII gave me less noise in the shots, but not as crisp focus, as I had to resort to manually focussing most of the shots, and in the dim light I couldn't nail it like the 50D was doing. More investigating showed that the IS was steadying the image and enabling AF to work. Turned off, they ran neck and neck. So until there is a short EF F2.8 lens with IS, it is at a disadvantage to those running the EFs lenses.

I also found the 5DMkII (with 100-400 L lens) was more prone to keep grabbing bright contrasty backgrounds when trying to track birds in flight (Jurong Bird park) than the 50D which was running the 55-250mm IS EFs kit lens. We got more keepers and better tracking out of the 50D.

In short, when I got back to Australia, I bought the 7D, and have found it to out-perform the 50D. I have no regrets in not buying the 5DMkII at all.

If I was shooting Landscapes/portraits perhaps I'd stick with the 5DMkII. But not a chance when it comes to sports. When I watch a Top-Fueller do a sub 5 second pass, give me 8FPS over 5 any day. The 50D's 6.3FPS managed to nail a blowup and parachute fire, but I would have liked more frames to choose from, not less.

It's clear that Canon didn't want the 5DMkII to take sports shooters away from the 1DMkIII and the oncoming 1DMkIV, and chose to not give it the AF they gave to the 7D. They know that the 7D's they sell to the Pro's will become backup bodies for those that can afford the new 1dMkIV, and those that never would buy a 1Dbody are more likely to buy a 7D than a 5DMkII. They have read the market well.
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The Aussie Viking
 
I use mine for night club photography and I get no problem of miss focusing.

this guy mainly does macro not night club or BIF shots so I never took those into consideration when I said the 5D2 would be better.
The Aussie Viking said:
I benchmarked a 5DMkII up against a 50D in Singapore in October. In low light the AF of the 5dMkII struggled (24-70 F2.8 L lens) in comparison with the 50D with a 17-55mm F2.8 IS lens.

Sure, the 5DMkII gave me less noise in the shots, but not as crisp focus, as I had to resort to manually focussing most of the shots, and in the dim light I couldn't nail it like the 50D was doing. More investigating showed that the IS was steadying the image and enabling AF to work. Turned off, they ran neck and neck. So until there is a short EF F2.8 lens with IS, it is at a disadvantage to those running the EFs lenses.

I also found the 5DMkII (with 100-400 L lens) was more prone to keep grabbing bright contrasty backgrounds when trying to track birds in flight (Jurong Bird park) than the 50D which was running the 55-250mm IS EFs kit lens. We got more keepers and better tracking out of the 50D.

In short, when I got back to Australia, I bought the 7D, and have found it to out-perform the 50D. I have no regrets in not buying the 5DMkII at all.

If I was shooting Landscapes/portraits perhaps I'd stick with the 5DMkII. But not a chance when it comes to sports. When I watch a Top-Fueller do a sub 5 second pass, give me 8FPS over 5 any day. The 50D's 6.3FPS managed to nail a blowup and parachute fire, but I would have liked more frames to choose from, not less.

It's clear that Canon didn't want the 5DMkII to take sports shooters away from the 1DMkIII and the oncoming 1DMkIV, and chose to not give it the AF they gave to the 7D. They know that the 7D's they sell to the Pro's will become backup bodies for those that can afford the new 1dMkIV, and those that never would buy a 1Dbody are more likely to buy a 7D than a 5DMkII. They have read the market well.
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The Aussie Viking
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Troll.
gommace said:
Vibrio .... ¿Visible noise at 100 ASA? ¿are you joking? ¿or simply a troll?. I bet you to demonstrate the noise with one of your noiser 100 ASA images!!!
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I think you feel real bad that you spend more and bought a lessor camera. No other reason that you consistently bashing 7D.
Vibrio said:
5D2 has more detail and less noise than the 7D which is why I bought it because it has better IQ
The Aussie Viking said:
Ignore the old busted recordings complaining of low ISO noise. I think some of them may even be confusing noise with detail If they shot grey cards at 100 ISO they'd still be eyestraining looking for it. Just about everything else you see will have some slight variation, be it in nature, fading paint etc.

What I am seeing is an even sharper focus (main lenses 100-400 L & 17-55mm F2.8 IS), and the ability to heavily crop and still print at A3+

For those that sit at the screen all day doing 100% pixel peeps, nothing will soothe thier ulcers. But for those of us who actually print images, re-size for the net etc, I'm seeing better than what I got out of the 40D or 50D that preceeded it.

Enjoy your new purchase, and the extra shots you wiull nail with it.
--
The Aussie Viking
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On what basis do you make this claim ? DPR have an excellent review of this camera and there is no noise issue until the ISO goes up over 1600 or 3200. Are you making adequate exposures ? What does the histogram look like ? Please post those original files with the metadata to show what this noise looks like at low ISO. Thanks.
 
He doesn't own a 7D. That's the common trait of all those 7D bashers. They also will NEVER show you any samples from 7D or from their own cameras. Another common trait of them.

I'm consistently getting clean ISO3200 images good for very nice A4 or even A3 prints with just a little NR. I have no doubt it's way better than 5D and even very close to 5DII. All those comments by the bashers just don't make sense to me.
photome31 said:
On what basis do you make this claim ? DPR have an excellent review of this camera and there is no noise issue until the ISO goes up over 1600 or 3200. Are you making adequate exposures ? What does the histogram look like ? Please post those original files with the metadata to show what this noise looks like at low ISO. Thanks.
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