1 year later still only 1 high MP and 1 high price

There are very very few people and uses were 24 mp really makes a difference over 12 and is worth compromising other factors like noise, performance, more data and so on.
D3x doesn't seem to compromise noise in the ISO 100-1600 range, where most people shoot. Outside of serious sports shooters, its performance is also quite impressive.

Do not take what I say as defending my own choices. I would have a very hard time spending money on a D3x, as I doubt I would use its full potential, but I do not discount people who need its resolution for their work. Having said that, if Nikon did release D700x with a D3x sensor, I would buy it, as I do not see the disadvantages of buying a D700-class camera in a similar price range with the D3x sensor for my own (and probably many other people's) use.
 
But wit all due respect, can anyone explain it if the 24MP is bad why the D3x cost almost twice as the D3? In addition it the 24MP sells very well...
But that is beside the real point. There are very very few people and uses were 24 mp really makes a difference over 12 and is worth compromising other factors like noise, performance, more data and so on.
Yuppers, in this part of the market there is indeed.
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Absolutely Thom, maybe because I'm a full time working Pro I don't really undertsand why people have such needs/wants when digital now provides so much more than what I/we could accomplish with film.
I would agree if you were content with 35mm film. If you were content with MF and LF film, switching to MF digital requires a huge increase in expense compared to 35mm digital.

In film I have several systems. I could see having more than one digital 35mm system to solve MP desires by going to Canon and for all else a D700 but it'd be nice to have that in one system with out having to invest in the D3x. So for now I'm willing to wait.

John R
 
You're saying that US$4000 and it's worth exploring this new market, US$13,000 and it's not.
No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying I have $4,000 (not 13K) and $4,000 is what it should cost and I don't have $13,000 and that's what it costs now to get high MP and HD video (at Canon it costs $2,700). I am not saying I won't get an ROI on $13,000, I'm saying 13k is foolish, and I don't have it to spare, and waiting for the right camera is smarter, and incredibly annoying and frustrating.
Risk Reward. Let's say that the opportunity is $30k a year for three years ($90k total) and you're as sure of that as you are the opportunity exists. Not leveraging yourself for an additional $9k is foolish. That's because the opportunity is almost certainly time sensitive. The more time you give your potential competitors to buy 5DIIs or D3s/D3x combos or whatever to fill the opportunity, the less you'll benefit in the future, if at all.
I didn't say either of those 2 things, what were you reading?
You were unclear and the implication of stringing those things together was stronger than your clarity.
I said "if anything" in regard to something other or in addition to a new model 5DM2 competitor, "if anything a D3X with video and a dramatic lowering of the price of the D3X (D3X $5,999, D3XHD $7,999)." I didn't say anything about a small body, I said maybe, if anything (else) a D3X with video for a lot of money, and keep the D3X but lower the price. The logic of course, is that that allows a lower MP (21) with video and keeps the D3X the flagship because it would then have video also, and 24 MP, and a higher price than the new model 21 MP. Is it clear now what I really said?
Yes, but it doesn't make any sense from a product standpoint. In fact, it makes less sense than just doing a D700x with video and a D3xs to add video.

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Do not take what I say as defending my own choices. I would have a very hard time spending money on a D3x, as I doubt I would use its full potential, but I do not discount people who need its resolution for their work. Having said that, if Nikon did release D700x with a D3x sensor, I would buy it, as I do not see the disadvantages of buying a D700-class camera in a similar price range with the D3x sensor for my own (and probably many other people's) use.
That would be my choice for trekking, skiing and kayaking as well as other commercial applications. I was hoping Thom's predictions had materialized for the D700x type.

John R
 
You're saying that US$4000 and it's worth exploring this new market, US$13,000 and it's not.
No, I'm not saying that, what I said was that I have $4,000 to spend, I don't have $13,000, I also don't have $5,500, that's why I don't have a high MP HD video Nikon, well, that, and they don't make one, you need to buy two expensive cameras to get high MP and HD video.
Risk Reward. Let's say that the opportunity is $30k a year for three years ($90k total) and you're as sure of that as you are the opportunity exists. Not leveraging yourself for an additional $9k is foolish. That's because the opportunity is almost certainly time sensitive. The more time you give your potential competitors to buy 5DIIs or D3s/D3x combos or whatever to fill the opportunity, the less you'll benefit in the future, if at all.
That's not it at all, I said I don't have enough money to do Nikon high MP and HD video now, it has nothing to do with ROI and everything to do with initial funds to dive in, Nikon is too expensive for what it is, and isn't. If they had a 5DM2 competitor and price I would buy it. I don't know why you think it's connected to ROI, it isn't at all. Also, I'm not worried at all about competition or losing present opportunities, my MF takes care of that. I mostly work with clients who would never hire a shooter with just a 35mm anything. So like I said, it's complicated and unusual, I think I want 35mm more than I need it, I am creatively hurt mostly for not having it, I don't tie artistic pursuits to making money all the time; most people do, I guess that makes me unusual. Most of what I would shoot with the 5DM2 competitor if it existed would be for free and experimental, this would lead to money down the road and be pleasurable along the way, I'm okay with not making money with the right 35mm for a year. I think this explains clearly what my gripe is with Nikon, it has to do with me wanting to stay with their ergonomics and lenses but also not willing to pay $13,000 to get what I want and need to experiment and grow with, it's a completely different mindset than just making money. I need high MP and video, if I don't have both my artistic pursuits will be cut in half, and, I don't have $13k. If the 5DM2 didn't exist I would never have said anything. When that camera came out I got excited, then I got frustrated. Man it's tiring trying to explain this predicament.

I know what you are thinking, how can a guy with MF and MF clients not be making enough money to easily have $13k lying around, he must be a bad photographer or bad with money. But I have dozens of friends and colleagues who own creative businesses like me and they are super talented and smart and they are broke and scared and hardly have any work and have huge overhead, they all understand. The creative community in nyc is in a very tough spot right now, you didn't know this?
 
Sony compatible lenses this year, so it will take something big from Nikon to convince me to buy their latest body instead.
A quick side question since you are please with your Sony. Do you or any one else here know how the flash system compares to Nikon's?
Sorry for the delay in replying, this thread is getting so big it's easy to miss a post.

The metering on the A850 is similar to the D300. Since the flash is tied to metering, I'm getting similar results there too. [I'm currently using a Metz 48 AF-1, and will later get a Metz 58 AF-1 as a master for the 48.] Still, it's early days so I'm not claiming to be an expert (heck, I'm hardly an expert when it comes to Nikon's flash system).
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As you know well, it's absolutely not bad (see the uber positive reviews world wide) :-D

It's not suited for the average photographer in mind, from the size of the body to that of the iso performances and file size (aka MP) and lack of video.

Michel
But wit all due respect, can anyone explain it if the 24MP is bad why the D3x cost almost twice as the D3? In addition it the 24MP sells very well...
But that is beside the real point. There are very very few people and uses were 24 mp really makes a difference over 12 and is worth compromising other factors like noise, performance, more data and so on.
Yuppers, in this part of the market there is indeed.
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Of course I know the D3x is not bad. My point was a bit sarcastic about the fact that many here finds all kinds of reasons why 24MP is not good and I just wanted to point out that if that would be the case then Nikon couldn't charge the premium for the D3x.

Indeed, it is not suited for weekend photographer however, back in the film age you were able to select the specific film you wanted to try (or test) at relatively low costs. Now you stuck with a specific item in your gear. And the whining was less for two reasons 1) either the camera company came with a new product or 2) the film manufacturers. So there was more room for playing around/experiment because I think many here wants to experiment as well.
As you know well, it's absolutely not bad (see the uber positive reviews world wide) :-D

It's not suited for the average photographer in mind, from the size of the body to that of the iso performances and file size (aka MP) and lack of video.

Michel
But wit all due respect, can anyone explain it if the 24MP is bad why the D3x cost almost twice as the D3? In addition it the 24MP sells very well...
But that is beside the real point. There are very very few people and uses were 24 mp really makes a difference over 12 and is worth compromising other factors like noise, performance, more data and so on.
Yuppers, in this part of the market there is indeed.
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Well I though it was a bit sarcastic meant (that's why I put the smile behind)..but you never know here on these international forums ;-)
Indeed, it is not suited for weekend photographer however, back in the film age you were able to select the specific film you wanted to try (or test) at relatively low costs. Now you stuck with a specific item in your gear. And the whining was less for two reasons 1) either the camera company came with a new product or 2) the film manufacturers.
Film has all to do with processing in the end, that is taken over by Photoshopping (or photochopping how you look at it...:-) ) and other software.

And the hardware part..."the what is next nagging" stayed basically the same, that is what I remember when I studied photography...but that was almost at the end of the film era :-)
So there was more room for playing around/experiment because I think many > here wants to experiment as well.
I think digital photography offers much much more room or (creative) possibilities than with film. Already only from a camera technical aspect (besides the enormous amount what you can do in post processing in relation to processing darkroom techniques) The side effect is that you know (almnost) exact what you can expect from what is there (the camera, the image quality etc) sometimes a bit boring for me...the whole 'what will it be experience' is gone due to that lcd on the back and that post processing :-)

Only to deliver rather unique material in digital photography, is very very difficult nowadays and to become surprised even more.

Partly to the fact of the enormous amount of good photography you see nowadays. As a result (at least in Holland) artists have to make more and more 'strange/idiotic/shocking' photography to jump out of the mass what the others produce and the photography/technique itself is moved to the back.

Michel
As you know well, it's absolutely not bad (see the uber positive reviews world wide) :-D

It's not suited for the average photographer in mind, from the size of the body to that of the iso performances and file size (aka MP) and lack of video.

Michel
But wit all due respect, can anyone explain it if the 24MP is bad why the D3x cost almost twice as the D3? In addition it the 24MP sells very well...
But that is beside the real point. There are very very few people and uses were 24 mp really makes a difference over 12 and is worth compromising other factors like noise, performance, more data and so on.
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I'm going to flip your statements, last first, first last.
The creative community in nyc is in a very tough spot right now, you didn't know this?
I hear conflicting opinions on this. I know a few who are claiming best year ever. I know several that are claiming worst year ever. As you know, I'm well connected into the magazine business, where things overall are terrible. Yet, funny thing is, it seems to be the ones that are trying to do "business as usual" that are having the big problems. The ones that are nimble, creative, and willing to try new things seem to be doing much better. I just had to chide my former boss for closing down one of his publications. They simply ran the same formula into the ground and refused to fly the plane any differently. Guess they were hoping the ground would move ;~).
But I have dozens of friends and colleagues who own creative businesses like me and they are super talented and smart and they are broke and scared and hardly have any work and have huge overhead, they all understand.
The key words there are "huge overhead." The tendency for everyone, individuals, business, government, you name it, is to build overhead when times are good. As the times turn bad, overhead needs to be the first thing to go. And "investment" is not "overhead".
If the 5DM2 didn't exist I would never have said anything. When that camera came out I got excited, then I got frustrated. Man it's tiring trying to explain this predicament.
I still don't understand these statements. You shoot MF/LF. You apparently have some Nikon lenses around, but that investment is not being used to bring in income. You want to bring in more (future) income. I still don't see why you didn't jump on a 5DII if it does everything you need. At worst case, you could use an adapter to use your Nikkors (and for video, that's not going to make much difference, as you'll be manually focusing them anyway). At best case you buy one or two key lenses for the Canon to supplement use of your Nikkors via adapter. Voila. You're doing what you want, doing it now, and are not spending that US$13k you don't have.
it has to do with me wanting to stay with their [Nikon] ergonomics and lenses
This is the way that businesses drive planes into the ground. They get into this "it has to be this way" philosophy and make their decisions based upon that. Meanwhile, more nimble types are jumping on the new thing and paving new ground, getting new clients, and building their business (gaining altitude).
I am creatively hurt mostly for not having it, I don't tie artistic pursuits to making money all the time
You're in the creative business. If you're creatively hurt, well, you're hurting your business long term. And yes, you don't always tie a creative pursuit to money initially, but any creative pursuit is an investment, and you make investments to build long term equity in something. Essentially, what you're doing is postponing opening up your creativity. I've never known that to be the right course of action.
I don't know why you think it's connected to ROI, it isn't at all.
If it isn't obvious by now, when I speak of ROI I'm not 100% referring to money. There is an advantage to an artist (creative person) to being early into new worlds. There is potentially a disadvantage to being late. That's why my first two words were "Risk Reward." You have to take risks to get the biggest rewards.

If I were you, I'd give up on a couple of your so-called "requirements" and do something slightly different: buy a GH1 kit plus the 20mm f/1.7, maybe a Cosina 40mm f/1.4 with adapter. Yes, I know what you're saying: not high enough pixel count, not good enough high ISO. Play along with me for a moment. For US$2k or so, you'd be able to start shooting those "free experiments" you're currently putting off. So what if you have to say to your client "this isn't going to produce quite as many pixels as you ultimately want, but I'm doing this for free and you're going to find the results usable and rewarding." You just might find, as I did, that the GH1 does a better job of that video than you expect. And it's highly competent as a still camera up to ISO 800 (which is why you buy a couple of fast lenses--you'll need 'em in low light).

What you've done is set Nikon up as the excuse why you're not pursuing something. It'll be Nikon's fault if you never do this creative work that'll bring you more clients and money in the future. It's Nikon's fault that you're still waiting. Take your MF camera and point it at a mirror: it's the fault of the person behind the camera.
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I'm going to flip your statements, last first, first last.
Hey Thom, good post, thanks.

But, staying strictly on the subject for a moment, and that is: "why is their no moderately priced high MP, HD video camera from Nikon", I feel like you would not have said half the things you said if you thought a 5DM2 competitor was around the corner. It really is starting to sound like you think Nikon is not going to that for a long time, YOU sound like me. Why would you even suggest moving to the 5DM2 now? It is possible Nikon will not do it at all, or for a long time, I think you know that's possible, but is it likely?

Look at Sony and Panasonic 1/3 and 1/2 HD video cams, the EX3 and the HVX200 for example, I won't buy it, the look and dof is not what I want creatively. But it sometimes feels like expecting them to soon release a 35mm version like The Red or the Scarlet simply because The Red is there and has it now, is just like expecting Nikon to match the 5DM2 now. I know in my heart Sony and Panasonic will soon have 35mm sensors in their shoulder mounted HD video cams so I want it now, I feel I am smarter than them knowing that everyone wants this now and why, just look at the Red and the work that's being done with it. But is Sony and Panasonic going to go crazy to produce a $7,000 video cam that shoots like the Red... nope. The Ex3 and HVX200 are eng cameras, they are run and gun cheap, sharp HD cams, it is really hard to make art, film like art, with them without a ton of ridiculous attachments.

Which brings us back full circle to the importance of the 5DM2 breakthrough, it's film like ability in HD video and it's incredibly cheap price is nothing short of revolutionary, it should be the 35mm camera of the decade, hands down, but not if you shoot sports and love your low light D3 of course, and apparently not if you're Nikon.
 
I totally agree with all of your points.
Well I though it was a bit sarcastic meant (that's why I put the smile behind)..but you never know here on these international forums ;-)
Indeed, it is not suited for weekend photographer however, back in the film age you were able to select the specific film you wanted to try (or test) at relatively low costs. Now you stuck with a specific item in your gear. And the whining was less for two reasons 1) either the camera company came with a new product or 2) the film manufacturers.
Film has all to do with processing in the end, that is taken over by Photoshopping (or photochopping how you look at it...:-) ) and other software.

And the hardware part..."the what is next nagging" stayed basically the same, that is what I remember when I studied photography...but that was almost at the end of the film era :-)
So there was more room for playing around/experiment because I think many > here wants to experiment as well.
I think digital photography offers much much more room or (creative) possibilities than with film. Already only from a camera technical aspect (besides the enormous amount what you can do in post processing in relation to processing darkroom techniques) The side effect is that you know (almnost) exact what you can expect from what is there (the camera, the image quality etc) sometimes a bit boring for me...the whole 'what will it be experience' is gone due to that lcd on the back and that post processing :-)

Only to deliver rather unique material in digital photography, is very very difficult nowadays and to become surprised even more.

Partly to the fact of the enormous amount of good photography you see nowadays. As a result (at least in Holland) artists have to make more and more 'strange/idiotic/shocking' photography to jump out of the mass what the others produce and the photography/technique itself is moved to the back.

Michel
As you know well, it's absolutely not bad (see the uber positive reviews world wide) :-D

It's not suited for the average photographer in mind, from the size of the body to that of the iso performances and file size (aka MP) and lack of video.

Michel
But wit all due respect, can anyone explain it if the 24MP is bad why the D3x cost almost twice as the D3? In addition it the 24MP sells very well...
But that is beside the real point. There are very very few people and uses were 24 mp really makes a difference over 12 and is worth compromising other factors like noise, performance, more data and so on.
Yuppers, in this part of the market there is indeed.
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I bet they are, we all know those whiners will be back after they do not get what they are taking for granted such as low noise, AF that works really really well, good lighting systems, lack of banding and weird NR artifacts, long term build quality, DR, and lots of other things that pixel racers have to forgo.

If someone REALLY needs pixel counts to be a photographer, and does not need the above trivialities they should surely stop whining and buy a Canon or whatever. Then they can complain on those forums why their art is limited by that camera as well.

It is my personal observation that the people constantly complaining the Nikon is slow and losing it have misplaced why their photos really need help. It is not the camera.

I hope Nikon does not add a lot of useless pixel density, I like low light high dynamic range shots, I also like landscapes where I can go over smaller than f/9 before diffraction sets in, I like images in focus even with low light or low contrast, and I seldom(like never) need prints larger than 24 inches.

Face it, hi pixel counts cause more problems than are resolved. It certainly make me wonder about people so hung up on demanding a single feature that they really can't use, and that makes everything else worse.

Whiners, tell, me with a straight face, that you can't do your art with less than 18,000,000 pixels

The point is: Nikon, following their path, produce camera which create better images under wider conditions and last longer.
Memo to Nikon....Keep up the good work, you have the best camera in each niche.
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Plus they must feel pretty good that a lot of people are knowledgeable enough to appreciate why the D700 is a better camera, producing consistently better images than the 5dII. The winner is not allows the one with the longest feature list, it sometimes, among some people, go to the best. That is who Nikon is marketing to.

For each specialty, they produce the best camera, sure it is more costly but often it is more expensive to produce the best.

If someone really really needs high pixel counts they already had a choice that still is by far the best. If the best is not good enough, meaning it also has to be cheap, regardless of how it works as long as it has high pixel counts, maybe Nikon is not the brand for those people.

But the internet whiners, luckily do not define the market. They are a tiny minority of malcontents that a manufacture would hesitate in courting knowing that the same people will be bashing their new brand just as much in a few weeks.

I have yet to see an example of a Nikon 12mpx camera being the limiting factor in a whiner's lack of success in photography. Maybe their photos are not so great is because they spend more time writing complaints than learning or honing their craft.
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It is often the ones who depend on creativity for a living are the last to use creativity to solve a problem.

"The market is bad, everyone is scared, they have high overhead..." those are not the words of a creative person, those are heard from journeymen, who apply a certain set of skills in a repetitive manner and do very well, as everyone else does when things are great. But flounder when things are not so predictable.

Traditionally, those who do best are those who create novel solutions when the others think things are bad and are paralyzed by their traditional responses not getting the same reception. The biggest successes occur when everyone else think things are bad.

The "market" does not owe anyone a living just because they think of themselves as creative. That does not cut it when what is offered is not valued by clients as much as the producer thinks it should be.

I've been through enough bubbles and down turns to seek them out, the opportunities are there in even greater number during downturns. Most of the people demanding Nikon jump at their wishes are likely not old enough or broadly enough experienced to see their way out. "Its the camera's fault client don't want my stuff", no its not, it is that the client is having problems also and the same old thing is not going to be of any use to them now.

The gear makes NO difference. The solution to the client's needs, one that he values as a solution is all that matters. The client is not insisting on a technical spec, he wants results and that is what he is not getting.

After decades in the music production industry at the peak of the craft I chucked it all and moved to another country for a simpler more satisfying life. To have something to do I created a business in an industry I knew nothing about. It is incoming tourism, what is called Destination Management, in the industry. Last tourist season was off by 50% for the competitors yet mine was up 20% from a record year before that. The main reason was that, being relatively new and not knowing the traditions, I approached the whole issue as if I was a customer and invented my own way of doing things. This year we are shaking it up again and doing things even further than industry tradition. Starting just a few years ago with little investment, I did something no one in the industry had done before, before one product was offered: Instead of learning the industry, I studied the clients or potential clients for 6mo. I talked to thousands, wrote and read thousands of forum posts, I talked to people all over the US and UK, and generated a mass of information unknown in the industry and applied what I knew of the clients wishes, lifestyles, fears, values etc and created products that were laughed at by the big companies in the field. This is our 7 year just starting and the largest of its type in Northern Europe with offices in 9 countries now several of the bigger companies are now out of business.

I did the same with the recording industry decades ago. Invading an industry I knew nothing about except what client's problems were. Anyone could have done it but they didn't.

All those on the forum complaining how the clients are not cooperating are the typical people who are shaken out during down turns. That is a natural purifying nature of dynamic markets.

I hear people bemoan all the small businesses vacancies or so many familiar store fronts and restaurants closing up. I simply ask them if they go to places that are not hurting and if they ever used the services of the ones that died. I see hundreds of shops and restaurants gone here in St Petersburg but none that I liked going to. The owners who attracted clients and repeat clients are doing better than ever and those who did not generate a loyal following died when people spent more selectively. Those weak businesses survive when things are booming but all business do well when things are booming. Booming is not the natural order of things however and most of those had no reason to be in business in the first place.

Same exact situation with the "creative services", getting jobs when things are booming does not mean the owner is a business genius, it means they were available. When things are not great generally, they are tossed aside. The ones who created demand from a loyal following are doing fine now in NYC, the ones that generate appropriately novel solutions to the clients problems now.

If 50-60% of creative services go under now, that is not a bad thing, they were just getting their final report card from the market. They really had no business in business in the first place.

Yet we will continue to hear how their business is suffering because they do not have 24 megapixels. THOSE are the very people who will not be missed from the industry. Instead of finding lonely niche, they insist on following the herd over the cliff

Stan
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It's quite easy to tell a 12MP 10x15 from a 24MP 10x15 if you can focus close (and your subject has fine details). At 18x24, anybody can easily tell. You don't need enormous prints to see a significant improvement going from 12MP to 24MP.
 
But, staying strictly on the subject for a moment, and that is: "why is their no moderately priced high MP, HD video camera from Nikon", I feel like you would not have said half the things you said if you thought a 5DM2 competitor was around the corner.
AFAIK, just prior to PMA in February we'll have the next camera and lens announcements. Indeed, I suspect that the announcements will be before the Olympics start on the 12th. It's the right timing for a D700x based upon Nikon's previous product schedules. But while the lenses that will be announced seem pretty well known at this point and leaked, the camera(s) are not. I see three basic possibilities:

1. Nikon won't produce a high-rez smaller FX body.
2. Nikon will produce a D700x (24mp sensor in D700 body).
3. Nikon will produce a D800 (high mp new sensor in new body).

Item #1 seems highly unlikely. Nikon is not going to cede high megapixel, moderate cost to Canon and Sony, their two biggest competitors.

Item #2 seems the simplest and easiest to do, and would meet everyone's expectations, but it uses a Sony sensor...

Item #3 is possible, but the "new" and "new" in that mean a great deal of potential for not hitting the intended schedule.

But there's one other thing that is problematic for you: to date Nikon has shown an interest in doing 720P better, not doing 1080i or 1080P.
Why would you even suggest moving to the 5DM2 now?
Well, actually, the first time you brought all this up was a year ago (don't you have other things to do around the holidays? ;~). Time is money. You could have been doing this little creative endeavor a year ago. I'm starting to think that you're procrastinating. You could do it today. Or, you could just wait until Nikon gives you exactly what you want, which may be in February, may be in August, may be never.
Look at Sony and Panasonic 1/3 and 1/2 HD video cams, the EX3 and the HVX200 for example, I won't buy it, the look and dof is not what I want creatively.
Say what you will about the small sensor video cameras, but even if S&P produce large sensor ones, the small sensor ones won't go away. There are reasons to keep them around, and there are videographers that are going to prefer a long focal range (10x or more) in a shoulderable lens.
But it sometimes feels like expecting them to soon release a 35mm version like The Red or the Scarlet simply because The Red is there and has it now, is just like expecting Nikon to match the 5DM2 now. I know in my heart Sony and Panasonic will soon have 35mm sensors in their shoulder mounted HD video cams
No, it won't be soon. It should be soon, but I don't think it will be soon. Indeed, I suspect they may pre-announce when they get around to it. Good old FUD can hold the fort will be their motto (how many companies have suffered under that banner?).
just look at the Red and the work that's being done with it.
I have. It feels to me like RED is grabbing the motion picture and high-end ad market, but it's just too expensive and cumbersome for the one-man-band market, IMHO.
The Ex3 and HVX200 are eng cameras, they are run and gun cheap, sharp HD cams, it is really hard to make art, film like art, with them without a ton of ridiculous attachments.
Funny, I'd say the same thing about a video enabled DSLR ;~).

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Thom Hogan
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