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agfa said:
the ricoh grx is a wonderfull camera!!... 50 mm lens is great,.. IQ is outstanding. it i a tool and not a toy.
no need to complain - save your money, sell some stuff, buy it in december!!!
if you will give it a try at your dealer next month, you will be sold, anyway...
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Because you didn't provide a samples, I was searching on Flickr and found only one tester, who published an original straight-from-the-camera JPEGs (A12 module).
Look at:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=gxr&w=26809685%40N04

I'm interested in your comments, what you think about these samples?

There's no surprise that pre-production firmware still isn't great: wrong auto exposure, wrong auto focus. Another thing: lens looks pretty soft.

But maybe flickr's user nakimusi has faulty GXR?

That's why I'd asked you to post full-size samples from your A12, because you're happy with it. Especially ISO 3200, there are no the such samples over internet at all.

And also I'd appreciated if you could upload a few pairs JPEG/RAW, we could see a potential of GXR and could compare RAW to in-camera JPEG engine.
It will be a real advertising of this new camera.
 
These samples are really awful, amongst other things the softness maybe comes from motionblur? Really, my 6 year old medion (it's a camera) made better pictures then these samples, i don't think it is representative for the actual IQ of the new Ricoh.
 
The main problem with nakimusi's shots is that that they are all overexposed. If you check their properties, they were all taken with +1EV compensation, which was evidently way too much for actual lightning conditions. And second problem is incorrect focus evident in some of these photos. But it's hard to say if it's a camera or user error. One have to remember that with APSC is much more important to focus properly than was required with small sensor with greater DoF.

If you want to see some great A12 samples, see these:
http://www.dcfever.com/cameras/viewsamples.php?set=449
http://www.dcfever.com/cameras/viewsamples.php?set=450

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Joel Stern said:
mitchall said:
Harold66 said:
Hello Mitch

I thought everyone here knew I am French so I thought they would get the irony in my comment. Apparently , I was wrong !!
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C'est le comble!

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Can I be French too? Maybe not, too much Russian heritage, but pure Americano.
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I actually played rugby with the Section Paloise in the early '70s when we were still in the 1st division, but that does not make me French either.
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Um - I looked up the dimensions and weights (including lens/sensor cartridges) on the dpreview test:

GXR zoom 114x70x45.5mm (lens retracted) 361g
GXR 50mm 114x70x74mm (fixed lens) 463g

GF1 (don't know lens) 119x71x61.8mm 348g
EP-1 (don't know lens) 121x70x57mm 355g

dpreveiw probably specified the lenses but I forget.

For comparison:
GRDIII 109x59x26mm 208g
GX200 112x58x25mm 260g

All weights are apparently with card and battery in place.

No I have not held a GXR but I rely on the authoritive report of someone who has.

All these cameras are pretty small compared to your regular dslr but I suggest that the GXR (models) are fairly close in size and mass to the m4/3 cameras.

So pocket-able but large-ish pockets perhaps?

The GXR zoom is 2mm wider, 12mm taller, and 10.5mm deeper than the GX200 and 101grams heavier.

Ricoh have a habit (along with others) of measuring bodies without lens and grip protrusions therefore the GRDIII and the GX200 might be fractionally larger than the Ricoh specification dimensions. I also note that Ricoh specify weight ex card and battery whereas dpreview include battery and card in the weight.

Also note that the new battery in the GXR is probably heavier than the db60/65 in th G series.

I have held an EP-1 and a GF1 with 20mm f1.7 lens. They are both neat enough cameras - but not for my pockets.

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So the Scots are a bit rough and ready for the sophisticated inventive French but I guess we were honorary French from time to time. I had Citroen's - mmm mustn't start that car thing again and Albion trucks are they still about?

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Tom, from the ricoh site with lenses:
I believe all we see on the GX1 and E-P1 is body only

Items GR LENS A12 50mm RICOH LENS S10 24-72mm GX200

Picture display (LCD) 3.0 " / approx. 920,000 dots 2.7 " / approx. 460,000 dots

Built-in memory Approx. 88 MB Approx. 88 MB Approx. 54 MB

SD memory card Up to 2 GB
SDHC memory card Up to 32 GB Up to 16 GB

Battery DB-90 (included) DB-60 (included)

Battery charger BJ-9 (included) BJ-6 (included)

Dry cell battery N/A N/A AAA batteries x 2
Shooting capacity with the included battery e1

Approx. 320 pictures Approx. 410 pictures Approx. 350 pictures
Dimensions (W x H x D; excluding projections)
113.9 x 70.2 x 77.1 mm e2 113.9 x 70.2 x 44.4 mm e2 111.6 x 58.0 x 25.0 mm
Weight Approx. 423 g e3 Approx. 325 g e3 Approx. 208 g

e3) The whole weight of the camera body attached with the camera unit (without battery, a memory card, a strap, a terminal cap, or a lens cap).
Tom Caldwell said:
Um - I looked up the dimensions and weights (including lens/sensor cartridges) on the dpreview test:

GXR zoom 114x70x45.5mm (lens retracted) 361g
GXR 50mm 114x70x74mm (fixed lens) 463g

GF1 (don't know lens) 119x71x61.8mm 348g
EP-1 (don't know lens) 121x70x57mm 355g

dpreveiw probably specified the lenses but I forget.

For comparison:
GRDIII 109x59x26mm 208g
GX200 112x58x25mm 260g

All weights are apparently with card and battery in place.

No I have not held a GXR but I rely on the authoritive report of someone who has.

All these cameras are pretty small compared to your regular dslr but I suggest that the GXR (models) are fairly close in size and mass to the m4/3 cameras.

So pocket-able but large-ish pockets perhaps?

The GXR zoom is 2mm wider, 12mm taller, and 10.5mm deeper than the GX200 and 101grams heavier.

Ricoh have a habit (along with others) of measuring bodies without lens and grip protrusions therefore the GRDIII and the GX200 might be fractionally larger than the Ricoh specification dimensions. I also note that Ricoh specify weight ex card and battery whereas dpreview include battery and card in the weight.

Also note that the new battery in the GXR is probably heavier than the db60/65 in th G series.

I have held an EP-1 and a GF1 with 20mm f1.7 lens. They are both neat enough cameras - but not for my pockets.

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Pavel Kudrys said:
The main problem with nakimusi's shots is that that they are all overexposed. If you check their properties, they were all taken with +1EV compensation, which was evidently way too much for actual lightning conditions.
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Yes, but not all.
These shows -1/3EV:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakisuke/4106125536/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakisuke/4106132490/

And this one was taken with +1, but slightly underexposed:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakisuke/4105380567/
Pavel Kudrys said:
And second problem is incorrect focus evident in some of these photos. But it's hard to say if it's a camera or user error. One have to remember that with APSC is much more important to focus properly than was required with small sensor with greater DoF.
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If we look attentively, a focus of all photos has a tendency to be 3-4 feet closer to photographer than it needs.
Pavel Kudrys said:
If you want to see some great A12 samples, see these:
http://www.dcfever.com/cameras/viewsamples.php?set=449
http://www.dcfever.com/cameras/viewsamples.php?set=450
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These samples are much better, of coarse. However again it seems that focus isn't on subject but a bit closer to camera.

Actually I want to receive from test samples an objective info, not great or bad, but honest.
 
A lot of odd questions in this thread and strange, meaningless claims.

I had the A12 kit for three days for a quick look last weekend. I review for a magazine so the local dealer lent me a media sample. I have little interest in endless testing of aspects that will never bother the typical user. I write from the point of view of 'what's it like to use?'

The A12 with finder - dreadful. It all looks cute and image quality is great, in the unlikely event that you get it right. But the macro lens is appallingly slow to focus - being a macro it hunts the entire range before hitting the spot, and sometimes misses. Think 2 seconds. I have a fine collection of people's backsides moving out of frame. I ended up using a Sony a850 + Zeiss that I had in the bag and risked the backache. It worked. The A12 as an all purpose lens, no way. AF with a macro always has this problem and, as the focussing ring is fly by wire and has no real 'feel' to it, MF macro isn't that easy either.

The S10 is probably a lot better for snap shooting, but then - small sensor so what's the point?

This has been released with the wrong lenses. What it desperately needed was a wide prime on an APS-C sensor. That would challenge Sigma, Oly, Leica, Samsung. Instead you have a choice of another premium compact or difficult 50mm. The next lens to be released will be a 10x zoom on small sensor I hear - ho hum. The finder is no better than the Panasonic or Ricoh GX (is it the same one? Can't remember).

I really, really wanted to like this but I was very disappointed. Then a friend rang - he works in a camera store and two Oly E-P2's had just arrived. He bought one - was I interested in the other? Spent two hours with it and bought it. To be fair, I do have some Olympus lenses and they worked brilliantly on it (i.e. just touch the manual focus ring lightly and the camera goes into magnified view for precise focussing). The finder is magnificent.

Don't take my word - try them both. I may have missed something here, some way of limiting the AF 'routine' but I just couldn't find any adjustment to speed things up.
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Andrew Fildes said:
The A12 with finder - dreadful. It all looks cute and image quality is great, in the unlikely event that you get it right. But the macro lens is appallingly slow to focus - being a macro it hunts the entire range before hitting the spot, and sometimes misses. Think 2 seconds.
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What focusing mode did you use? Did you encounter the same problems with spot and wide AF areas?
Andrew Fildes said:
MF macro isn't that easy either.
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Did you use magnification?
Andrew Fildes said:
The finder is no better than the Panasonic or Ricoh GX (is it the same one? Can't remember).
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This is very odd. The GXR EVF has about 4 times the resolution of the GX EVF and all reports I've read so far say that the new EVF is excellent. What didn't you like about it?
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I really, really wanted to like this but I was very disappointed. Then a friend rang - he works in a camera store and two Oly E-P2's had just arrived. He bought one - was I interested in the other? Spent two hours with it and bought it. To be fair, I do have some Olympus lenses and they worked brilliantly on it
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What's the point of using your old lenses with the E-P2 when any Olympus DSLR is just as "unpocketable" and offers way faster AF?

Also, you complained about the A12 using "fly by wire" MF. All Olympus lenses (other than the 12-60) use the same method, why the different standards?

Prog.
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for more than three days. my experience with it vastly differs from yours and i have posted loads of photos right here to prove it.
Andrew Fildes said:
A lot of odd questions in this thread and strange, meaningless claims.

I had the A12 kit for three days for a quick look last weekend. I review for a magazine so the local dealer lent me a media sample. I have little interest in endless testing of aspects that will never bother the typical user. I write from the point of view of 'what's it like to use?'

The A12 with finder - dreadful. It all looks cute and image quality is great, in the unlikely event that you get it right. But the macro lens is appallingly slow to focus - being a macro it hunts the entire range before hitting the spot, and sometimes misses. Think 2 seconds. I have a fine collection of people's backsides moving out of frame.
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the AF on the A12 is by no means fast, but it is not that much slower than the EP1's. of course the S10 is loads faster for snaps but I did manage to take some very good street shots with the A12 as well. also managed to take some kids shots at ISO3200 at night with dim lights.
Andrew Fildes said:
I ended up using a Sony a850 + Zeiss that I had in the bag and risked the backache. It worked. The A12 as an all purpose lens, no way. AF with a macro always has this problem and, as the focussing ring is fly by wire and has no real 'feel' to it, MF macro isn't that easy either.

The S10 is probably a lot better for snap shooting, but then - small sensor so what's the point?
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the point is that you can have small sensor and aps-c sensor in the same camera body. and the S10 is a wonderful module - admittedly much to my surprise.
Andrew Fildes said:
This has been released with the wrong lenses. What it desperately needed was a wide prime on an APS-C sensor. That would challenge Sigma, Oly, Leica, Samsung. Instead you have a choice of another premium compact or difficult 50mm. The next lens to be released will be a 10x zoom on small sensor I hear - ho hum. The finder is no better than the Panasonic or Ricoh GX (is it the same one? Can't remember).
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that depends on the user. i personally find 50mm to be of great interest. it is the standard focal length for street photography. a wide prime, while also welcomed, will not allow the aps-c to give shallow DOF for portraiture. as first modules, the small sensor wide zoom and aps-c sensor 50mm makes perfect sense to me because it covers the most commonly used focal lengths while allow shallow DOF at a focal length with a fast enough lens that would allow decent portraiture. replacing the 50mm at this stage with a wide prime will leave a big gap for those who want the A12 for portraiture or creative shooting with shallow DOF.
Andrew Fildes said:
I really, really wanted to like this but I was very disappointed. Then a friend rang - he works in a camera store and two Oly E-P2's had just arrived. He bought one - was I interested in the other? Spent two hours with it and bought it. To be fair, I do have some Olympus lenses and they worked brilliantly on it (i.e. just touch the manual focus ring lightly and the camera goes into magnified view for precise focussing). The finder is magnificent.
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I have also compared directly the EP2's EVF with the GXR's and i find it surprising that you found such a huge difference. The GXR's is bright enough and refresh rate fast enough in a definitive sense. The EP2 is good, as is the GF1, but the MFT sensor is simply no match with the A12's aps-c sensor in terms of DR and to a certain extent, IQ, and most definitely, high ISO performance. The A12 just blows both away by a mile.
Andrew Fildes said:
Don't take my word - try them both. I may have missed something here, some way of limiting the AF 'routine' but I just couldn't find any adjustment to speed things up.
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Ultimately, it comes down to how the camera is used. For me, the GXR has so far proved to be a wonderful tool that produces amazing IQ and is an inspiring camera to use.
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