What makes beauty dishes special?

Unfortunately the comparator isn't a lot of use in this case, as none of the light modifiers demonstrated are identified as "Beauty Dishes" as such.
http://www.profoto-usa.com/products/lightshaping/softlight.asp
click any of the light formers.... ;)
Thank you Peter, but which one would you call a Beauty Dish? One of the "Softlights?" And would that be with , or without the cap? Silver? White?

With respect, the Profoto comparator doesn't seem to offer any more "beauty dish" help than the Broncolor one.... [???]
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Baz

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Thank you Peter, but which one would you call a Beauty Dish? One of the "Softlights?" And would that be with , or without the cap? Silver? White?
Yep Baz, Profoto's designation is 'softlight', silver or white. As is Bowens' or Elinchrom's (silver or white) while Bron, Hensel and Speedotron refer to those 'flat large wide dishes with counterreflector' ;) as 'beauty dishes'. Though I must admit that they were of no avail in a self portrait I once tried... (must have taken the term too verbaly)

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cheers, Peter
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Thank you Peter, but which one would you call a Beauty Dish? One of the "Softlights?" And would that be with , or without the cap? Silver? White?
Yep Baz, Profoto's designation is 'softlight', silver or white. As is Bowens' or Elinchrom's (silver or white) while Bron, Hensel and Speedotron refer to those 'flat large wide dishes with counterreflector' ;) as 'beauty dishes'. Though I must admit that they were of no avail in a self portrait I once tried... (must have taken the term too verbaly)
I think you probably mean "too literally"... Peter.... ;-)

But I know what you're getting at. My own looks are beyond the assistance of lighting, and surgery too, no doubt!

[Thanks for clarifying]
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Regards,
Baz

I am 'Looking for Henry Lee ' (could be Lea, or even Leigh) and despite going 'Hey round the corner', and looking 'behind the bush', I have not yet found him. If he survives, Henry is in his mid-60s, British, and quite intellectual.

What is it all about? Well, something relating to a conversation we had in the pub 35 years ago has come to spectacular fruition, and I'd like him to know how right he was.

If you know somebody who could be this man, please put him in touch with me. Thank you.
 
I just used mine for the first time this weekend. I have a 22" silver "no name" ebay unit with grid.

My opinions:
1. Easier to set up than softbox, harder than umbrella.
2. Light is harder than either, but not much harder than the umbrella.
3. Light wraps more than softbox, less than umbrella.

4. It is meant to be used closer to the subject than either a softbox or umbrella.

5. Since I have it on a rather large Photogenic flash it would not stay turned on the boom and so I put on regular stand.
6. With the grid it has a nice quick fall off for feathering.

7. Feathering with center above subject and reflector behind does well when subject is looking upward, feathering from side gives nice Rembrandt effect or further to side nice "hatchet" lighting, feathering with center below subject ie pointing at spot in front of her onto reflector board gives nice smooth lighting with defined yet soft shadows for butterfly.

Now I just need space, time, and subjects to shoot more than once a year!
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Alan
 
Please excuse my ignorance here. I'm trying to understand what makes the light from a beauty dish different than say a softbox or an umbrella. I've never used one. I would guess that the light is somewhat less diffuse, more directional and more contrasty. A grid would seem to make the light more directional.

Am I close?

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-Dan Rode
http://rodephoto.com
Great question.

There is nothing special about a beauty dish, it is just another type of light modifier, one of many types.

There is perhaps, a perception of it being special, much in the same way, wireless flash, radio triggering, HSS, those things that velcro to the top of a speedlight, wedding brackets, etc, etc, etc, only due to the belief that just owning such translates to taking great photographs.

A beauty dish is just another tool and a good one will do its specific job very well but it certainly isn't the tool for every job. All modifiers do different things (or they should do).

If there are any modifiers that can claim to have a revolutionary effect at all, I would say only the likes of an Elincrom Octa or Gary Regester Wafer would come anywhere near meeting that brief.

A beauty dish is quite a generic term, especially now as there are so many brands of them available, some good, some not so good.

A common purpose of a good beauty dish is for fashion/beauty/portraiture, head and shoulder shots, where it gives a pleasing lighting effect with no unsightly or harsh shadows but still with enough bite so as not to look at all, mushy. Its effect can be tempered or increased by adding grids and/or diffusion screens or covers.

If you get the chance, read up on or watch anything by Dean Collins.

The Photoflex tuitional stuff isnt too bad, either.

If I remember correctly, I think Hensel (or maybe it was Bron) have something on their site explaining and demonstrating, very well, the ins and outs of hard and soft lighting, etc in a way that should really get you to have a good basis for beginning to properly understand lighting.

Good luck
 
Basically, a beauty dish is just a wide(ish) parabolic reflector with a cover in front of the flashbulb to go some way towards removing the hotspot.

It is working on the principle of putting out more penumbra, than umbra. (the light is travelling (scattering) in lots more directions than had it been coming from a point light source.)
 
Beauty Dish is an industry term, also sometimes called a salad bowl. Most companies will sell them as "SoftLight Reflectors" though outside of buying one, I have never heard anyone speak of them as such. A lot of people I know use the white coated ones which provide a softer touch. They can produce results along the lines of an umbrella (bounce, not shoot-through) but the light acts a little different particularly in specular highlights. The light is also a bit more confined. One huge advantage a beauty dish has over an umbrella is the ability to use a grid. Also it is easier to get the beauty dish closer to the subjects face than an umbrella (as the light and stand have to be between an umbrella and the subject.)

Beauty Dishes get their name as they are often used as a Butterfly Light They excel at this as they can be placed extremely close to the subject, just out of frame.
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~Kurt
 

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