Canon's silence on Mark IV

I had a flight attendant on an American Eagle Flight put my case on her closet and check hers!!

I don't really like little commuter planes, I don't check my gear.
On my recent trip I took my think tank airport 2.0 and a tamrack expedition 7, ouch. When I got on the plane back I found that all rollers HAD TO BE CHECKED. I was lucky, I had understanding flight attendants and they helped me avoid putting my 400, 2.8 in the cargo hold.
Funny, on a recent trip I loaded mine up with my 400 mm, 2.8, my 200 mm, 2.0 etc. Ended up over 50 lbs, ouch!
It's fun when you have to lift it to put it on the Overhead Bins!!

Four Bodies, 4-5 Lenses, Speedlight, Batteries, Cables, and the other Think Tank Urban Disguise has one or two more bodies, Charger, Tripod Head (Tripod gets Checked in) A couple of Hard Drives, Laptop,Cables and other important stuff!!

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can anyone explain why when you have two years to make something, they can't give us a firm date also why don't they take pre-orders directly from canon especially cps members and give us a ship date. I would think that maybe after 1 1/2 years in r/d and production they could in the last 6 months firm up a date. Maybe I am just losing it. I have a wedding the 31st and the 2nd and nit much more until april. So I kind of hate to get it after the weddings are through and burn 4 months of warranty. And don't worry I would not use it as a mainline, I have 3 5dsmk2 and 2 1dmk3s but I would like to run it through its paces on the candids.
 
Slarti,

Camera Action around the corner is cheaper at AU$6559. I have mine supposedly available on Sunday the 20th (I hope)

I'm also doing the tennis - just got my accreditation approval a few days ago :)
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right from the start people I know said that there would only be maybe 2-5 pieces per store in december things starting to ship january but nothing serious until february I thought maybe the 9th, the the 14th/15th but nothing is serious at all until decemeber 31 where probably a very few will ship only to comply with canons issuance of we wil ship by end of december . I hope they un-glue the card slots for us at that point, I would hate to have to walk around at a wedding with a notebook strapped to my side.
 
If test shots appear soon, at Imaging-Resource, for example, meaning they have had a production sample for some time, it means Canon is not hiding anything from early purchasers re IQ and high ISO, which many will consider in comparison to the new D3s from Nikon. The lack of samples is a bit strange, given how things work these days, with the internet and lots of previewers of equipment used in all areas. If cameras are about to be sold, production samples have been available for quite some time already.

The AF aspect is more complicated, since not many people are skilled enough and willing to perform careful comparisons and analysis. Certainly that's the main issue in Canon users' minds, especially the action shooters, given the early 1D3's AF problems. I find it odd that respected sports shooters that use Canon, and there are many out there, haven't been given cameras and allowed to report their findings, to dispell any doubts that may be in people's minds.

If Canon misses the expectations and let a new pro model fail exactly where it's expected to perform at least at the state-of-the-art level (which Canon itself established a few years ago re AF with the 1DIIn), and which the competitions seems to have at least matched, it'll be a very big problem IMO. No one wants to pay USD5,000 to be a beta tester (and for a second time).

Finally, the optimistic view: it's so good in all aspects that Canon wants that to be reported exactly when early adopters get the camera.

We'll soon know.
as I understand it.... by the 19th to 21st (monday)

I will hate to be first... but it works ...or it doesn't...

just test it...use it

21st at the latest!

see ya then...
..... post a few

which lens should be used first...that's my question...

35L? ....135L?
70-200 f4 I.S. ?

and why?

TOM
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the whole thing is absolutely bizzare, there are a ton of theories, the camera is not right, canon is not ready, it was a marketing ploy to stop migration for the olympics and beyond to nikon defections to the d3 and d3s, alien intervention, building suspense so there will be a pirranhia feeding frenzy, they are going back to the mk3 focus system, they are waiting for tarp or bailout money, the weirdest thing is that none of the dealers know what s going on and usually they have a heads up and no but no one knows what is going on, even apple with its most secretive sturcture, only employee has been caught with industrial espionage possibly and he fell out a window. Canon has nothing on apple with secrecy, even no employee leaks, maybe they are afraid someone will send jason bourne after them.
 
Either they are, indeed, experiencing problems or this is the worst approach to a DSLR launch ever.

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what about the 5dmkII's pathetic llaunch?

is it even available yet?

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On Canon Rumors it says:

"1D Mark IV Delivery?

I’ve received a couple emails that state Canon will begin shipping Mark IV’s mid next week. I have nothing 100% confirmed."

Here's the link: http://www.canonrumors.com/
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I was in my local camera shop on Friday (12-11) and the regional Canon rep happened to be there. He said they hadn't been told anything on release, but there was a conference call that afternoon. Saw him in there again on Saturday and the word was "after Christmas but definitely in December. Supply would be VERY limited and didn't know whether most stores would get more than 1 or 2 initially with most getting in the hands of the pros first."

Not all too surprising at this point I guess; though don't know why they don't just say last week of the month instead of the mysterious "after Christmas but in December" since there is only one week left after Christmas in December (and not even a full week).

I'm on the list to get asap... Funny with all the fear around being an early adopter, beta tester, etc. I figure either it'll deliver, or Canon will fix it eventually - either way I'll have mine at the same time or earlier than all the wait and see crowd. Of course I'm not a pro so won't be relying on the camera's performance to put food on the table... I also figure since they spent zero time engineering a new body with the physical camera body identical to the III, you'd hope since they spent all their time on the guts they would get it right - but don't know if thats also the case between the II and III. I have zero complaints about my 1Ds III and glad the body layouts are identical.

So I guess in two weeks time (give or take) all the rumors will be confirmed one way or another... I feel just a little bit of sorrow for the internet rumor mongers who will then have to "re-tool"; dig up false facts, make extrapolations based on unsound theories and unreliable speculation, etc. and shift their focus to the 1Ds Mk IV or the 3D........ ;)
On Canon Rumors it says:

"1D Mark IV Delivery?

I’ve received a couple emails that state Canon will begin shipping Mark IV’s mid next week. I have nothing 100% confirmed."

Here's the link: http://www.canonrumors.com/
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Hey Mike, how many other manufacturer's do you think have this kind of loyalty? It's amazing that Canon still has a large portion of the market wrapped around it's fingers, happy to accept a faulty product, again, and again and again.

I think that it would be good for the company if the early adopter rate dropped significantly, to show Canon it needs to get its act together before taking peoples' money so happily.

Mike, I'm not picking your your frame of mind at all, infact you're not alone and Canon have the market in a very unique position of brand loyalty, one rarely acheived in an market, especially one dependent on such fast moving technology.

I recently having gone from full time emplyment to freelance had to make a tough decision. I've bounced back and forth over the years and decided to go with Nikon as the D3 has been a more solid camera, and regardless of MP, the 3 main pro zoom lenses absoultely blow Canon out of the water, especially at open apertures an corners.

The Nikon kit cost me much more than a potential Canon one, but I felt more comfortable doing so given that reliability comes before anything else as a working professsional and Nikon has delivered more so than Canon in the last few years and seem to more transparent about their direction and goals going forward, with a firm commitment to full frame imaging, for example.

People have been begging for full frame for some time, without really needing it, or having the understanding of how to use it to it's benefit (not that its necessarily better). One thing I know for sure, changing camera kit for better quality has never ended up being worth it, both on a satisfaction or monetary level. Clients couldn't care less, that is unless I fail my assignment, and that comes down to reliability, and I believe through my own exeprience and working amoungst my professional peers, that Nikon is ahead in that department.

Anyway, hope the camera works out for you and for others Mike. All the best.
I'm on the list to get asap... Funny with all the fear around being an early adopter, beta tester, etc. I figure either it'll deliver, or Canon will fix it eventually - either way I'll have mine at the same time or earlier than all the wait and see crowd.
 
Unfortunately, if the world was fair, you'd be correct, but I feel that Canon proved itself years ago with the beginning of the EOS 1 series that it's strength in the industry enables it's customer base to tolerate such deficiencies in their products' performance and reliability.

It really is an unfortunate truth for competitors and customers, but they keep asking for it, almost to the point that they spend so much time testing it upon early adoption that they become beta testers (on this forum and others), and quite possibly save Canon massive amounts of $$$ while still earning a nice profit and market share.

It's an ongoing cycle I see continuing for some time....which is why I refused to go Canon this time around where I was in a position to chose. I still have bad memories of the countless times the 1D III let me down, and the images weren't focused.....many Canon users in Beijing could confirm my experience....as many turned to their 1D mark IIn's. What will the mark IV users turn to if their cameras fail in Canada?

Let's hope Canon prove my assumptions wrong.
. I figure either it'll deliver, or Canon will fix it eventually
Where have I heard that before ;)

I honestly hope it delivers though!!
In the wake of what Nikon is delivering, if the new Canon 1-series is anything short of amazing I'm afraid Canon is finished as far as a pro sports camera.
 
I think what we want is for canon after 2 years to develop and releasing a white sheet three months ago made firm up a release or at least post a blog letting us know what stage we are in, I assume if you can afford a 5k camera, you might be capable of an iq above a rock. I think that this silence is not only not great pr, but disrespectful to us. We are extremely intelligent and can understand problems, no one wants a camera that has issues, I had 2 of the first mk3s and I have had a preorder for the mk4 since it first was announced. After the mk3 catastrophe, I would think canon could learn and understand we are here becasue we believe in them, maybe they should believe in us and keep us up to date rather than letting the rumor mill run nuts. This is the last thing they need right now. I do not doubt that if this is blown allot of people are going to Nikon, and honesty being the best policy, if they released there was a problem, if there is or issuses in production and distribution, wouldn't it make sense that if the blog would cause people to defect, that ticking them off with no information or mis-leading information would send even more people off that might have understood and waited. This is not the cia, nsa or any secret club, it is a matter of treating your customers like they are really important and doing the right things they really need to get more pros and I do not mean the top of the field but average joes that have a really solid understanding of lighting and the equipment to have an input, I have seen allot of top pros that take away photoshop and they would be dead. Canon definitely needs to rethink everything about the cameras and marketing and stop scratching their heads to figure out why nikon after the dismal failure of the d2x came from behind to chew out a huge part of their business and is poised to deliver another stunning defeat if this camera does not pan out, I have about 60k in canon gear and I dread the future if the don't get this right and fix the 5d mk2 banding and shadow issues. How long can we keep going backwards and after all hats off to canon for 1080p video but the last time I checked how many videographers are on thi forum and of all the ones I do know that have tried it have abandoned it, maybe there is something there, drop the video give us a better camera, we are photogrpahers after all.
 
Hey Mike, how many other manufacturer's do you think have this kind of loyalty? It's amazing that Canon still has a large portion of the market wrapped around it's fingers, happy to accept a faulty product, again, and again and again.

I think that it would be good for the company if the early adopter rate dropped significantly, to show Canon it needs to get its act together before taking peoples' money so happily.

Mike, I'm not picking your your frame of mind at all, infact you're not alone and Canon have the market in a very unique position of brand loyalty, one rarely acheived in an market, especially one dependent on such fast moving technology.
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I think they can get away because of the lenses they provide...? I started at 350D, went later to 30D in hopes to get better AF, but since I started shooting primes occasionally, I needed even more reliable AF.

Now I've seen D300, D700... And Canon just seemed to be stuck in early-2000s with the non 1D bodies. So what was I to do? Switch systems? Currently I could, because all the lenses I got have decent Nikon equivalent, but that 24/1.4 L which is at he highest place of my get-next potential list is just not available there yet.

To get a decent late-2000s performance body, something for my Canon lenses that is up to D300 or D700 in the AF department, I got 1D 2N as a stopgap measure, till Canon wakes up and gets something like D700 on the market (i.e. small format body with pro AF, APS-H or FF). Yeah, just the possibility to get myself some fancy L glass kept me from switching (yet).

Of course, while I solved my AF wishes personally for me (at the expense of excessive size and weight of the camera) I maintain my not-nice opinion about Canon not providing better AF (I mean 1D-lite, not overblown xxD AF as in 7D) in the lower class cameras. I kinda developed a love-hate attitude for Canon :-)
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so many customers feel that they have to get on the band wagon or they will "lose their place on line" for what may or may not be a great device.

I will not gamble spending $5,000 to purchase a unknown. Those unfortunate enough to have suffered through the trials and tribulations with the 1D3, will never forget what a horror that was. Why some adults can't simply wait until SOMETHING is released is a surprise to me. Do they think that it is impossible to have another disaster on their hands, just becaused the 1D3 really sucked like it did? Are they incapable of waiting a few short months to be sure? Will their lives not go on unless they are the first on the block to own a "pig in a poke"?

$5,000 is a lot of money to take such a gamble. It's also a lot of money for a camera.....period!!!

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so many customers feel that they have to get on the band wagon or they will "lose their place on line" for what may or may not be a great device.

I will not gamble spending $5,000 to purchase a unknown. Those unfortunate enough to have suffered through the trials and tribulations with the 1D3, will never forget what a horror that was. Why some adults can't simply wait until SOMETHING is released is a surprise to me. Do they think that it is impossible to have another disaster on their hands, just becaused the 1D3 really sucked like it did? Are they incapable of waiting a few short months to be sure? Will their lives not go on unless they are the first on the block to own a "pig in a poke"?

$5,000 is a lot of money to take such a gamble. It's also a lot of money for a camera.....period!!!
I am one of " Those unfortunate enough to have suffered through the trials and tribulations with the 1D3 ", so I wholeheartedly agree.

But the thing is, if we take this logic to the extreme, there wouldn't be any "beta testers" for the ones sitting in the fence like us.

Let them be, let them be...

:)

PK

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