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Advice appreciated please.

At present I have a Nikon D90 body with 3 lenses. All very good but it's getting too heavy to carry all this kit around. So I am thinking about changing this for a GH1+14/140 lens as a lighter and more manageable kit, especially for travel purposes and general purpose photography. All the reviews that I have read reckon that the GH1 is a fine camera and that the14/140 lens is probably better that the Nikon 18/200 lens.

But what do the users of this set up feel?

Thanks
 
You can also sell off all your lenses and just use the nikon 18-200.

But, the GH1 will have:

Better video

smaller body

very useful swivel screen, but not as high-res

EVF instead of OVF so when you shoot video you can keep the camera to your face, but sucks for sports

slower shooting rate

inferior still image quality (by a pretty big margin)

generally smaller lenses

can continuously AF when shooting video

can hook up an external mic to it.

So there are pluses and minuses, but if you usually keep your ISO at 100-800, and shoot alot of video, or want something smaller, it's a great camera. Otherwise, the D90 has better IQ, and is better for shooting action because of the phase detection AF and higher FPS.
 
Do you do any action photography? If so, stick with the DSLR.

Your Nikon system is a real system with a much wider range of fully functional lenses for your camera. The Nikon flash system is vastly superior to anything available in Micro Four Thirds.

I have both a DSLR system and an MFT camera with three MFT lenses. For handling, speed, and best image quality the DSLR is my first choice. For a compact travel alternative, MFT is a nice alternative with a number of limitations.

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I have both a DSLR system and an MFT camera with three MFT lenses. For handling, speed, and best image quality the DSLR is my first choice. For a compact travel alternative, MFT is a nice alternative with a number of limitations.
Don't know what DSLR system (or for that matter which m4/3 body) you have but as far as handling and "best image quality" I don't see most DSLR systems being that much better. (Assuming we are not talking one of the Canon/Nikon top, full frame and/or Pro models.)

As far as speed - again assuming you are refering to AF speed - then yes, most of the current DSLRs have better/faster AF than any of the m4/3 cameras. (But that might not be that important to the OP - depending on what he shoots.)
Steve
 
jawgkw wrote:
Advice appreciated please.

At present I have a Nikon D90 body with 3 lenses. All very good but it's getting too heavy to carry all this kit around. So I am thinking about changing this for a GH1+14/140 lens as a lighter and more manageable kit, especially for travel purposes and general purpose photography. All the reviews that I have read reckon that the GH1 is a fine camera and that the14/140 lens is probably better that the Nikon 18/200 lens.

But what do the users of this set up feel?

Thanks
I had a similar set-up as yours and swapped over to a GH1+14-140. No regrets for my type of shooting. IQ as good as the D90 to ISO800 and pretty close at ISO1600. In some cases the IQ on the Panny is better and needs less work than if you use a 18-200 on a D90 because distortions are dealt with in cam and in software like Silkypix and Lightroom/ACR. I only use one other lens (20mm f1.7) with the GH1.

My noticable plus points with the Panny are:
  • Lighter smaller package
  • Angled LCD for different angled shots
  • Can shoot "like a P&S" and avoid paparazzai style shooting
  • Better video
  • Small lens compared to 18-200 and more silent in operation
  • Live histogram
  • My red colored cam don't scream professional or paparazzai
  • With the EVF, I can compose, shoot, review, make adjustments (EV or ISO) and shoot again without my eye even leaving the EVF as all the settings & menus can be viewed in the EVF.
My noticable minus points against the D90 are:
  • Not for extreme use (extreme sports or high ISOs)
  • More lenses and better flash system on Nikon
  • Longer battery life. Get a second battery for the Panny.
  • More DR on D90
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Karl B.
 
Advice appreciated please.

At present I have a Nikon D90 body with 3 lenses. All very good but it's getting too heavy to carry all this kit around. So I am thinking about changing this for a GH1+14/140 lens as a lighter and more manageable kit, especially for travel purposes and general purpose photography. All the reviews that I have read reckon that the GH1 is a fine camera and that the14/140 lens is probably better that the Nikon 18/200 lens.
You mention three lenses, so what are the other two? Are you going to want m4/3 equivalents for those lenses as well? My point is that you need to consider your entire kit. The GH1 is definitely a lighter and smaller camera body than the D90, but the 14-140mm is not much smaller or lighter than the 18-200 (but it does give you more reach on m4/3). Depending on the other lenses the entire kit weight reduction might not be as much as you're hoping for. If that's the case it might just come down to what's important to you. The GH1 is the better video camera, and the D90 is the better still camera. But depending on your needs the GH1 might be every bit as good of a still camera for you. Either is capable of taking great photos... just different features and performance characteristics.

When you talk about the weight of interchangeable lens cameras, the kit weight is affected more by the lenses you carry than by the camera body. True that m4/3 lenses are generally smaller and lighter than their DSLR counterparts, but you get more lens selection with your Nikon so the weight savings only helps if you can get the lenses you want.

I have a couple of Nikon bodies (main one being the D200) and ten lenses. I never carry all my lenses at the same times since some are highly specialized... usually just two or three. When I want to travel light I carry my 18-200mm VR and a 35mm prime. Sometimes I just carry a couple of primes. Even with the D200 it is a light kit compared to carrying my D200 with a 17-55mm f/2.8 and 80-200mm f/2.8. I once considered the GH1 with 14-140mm and 20mm f/1.7, but after doing the math I decided the slight weight savings were cancelled out by not being able to carry one of my other Nikon primes with me (like my fisheye). So instead I decided to keep most of my Nikon gear, but sell a lens or two (plus my LX2 P&S) and buy the GF1 with 20mm pancake and maybe the 14-45mm. The attraction there is that it can fit in my coat pocket more easily than the GH1... and way more easily than the D200 (which really doesn't fit in a coat pocket).

So you've really got to think about what kit you carry and how you use it. You might end up with a GH1 kit that you also think is too heavy once you add a couple more lenses. Sometimes it's not the weight that is a problem, but how you carry it. A more comfortable bag, sling, or backpack might help you with either system. I can comfortably carry a D200 with 18-200 and 35mm prime in a shoulder bag. With my heavier lenses and tripod I prefer using a backpack. With the GF1 I'm looking forward to something I can just hang around my neck or carry in a coat pocket. The only time I ever hang the D200 around my neck is when I have a small prime attached. I'm not sure how comfortable the GH1 would be around the neck with a 14-140 attached. With a 14-45mm or 20mm pancake it should be just fine.

Sean
 
I agree with the above poster, and came to many of the same conclusions. I have a 5D and usually have a 28-70 2.8L glued to it. Sometimes a 70-300. Either way it's a lot to lug around. I was originally thinking of getting either a T1i plus a Tamron or Sigma, but then started looking at the G1 or GH1. Eventually I decided on an EP1. The point of the exercise was portability - what did I need the extra size for? If I want the best possible image and size doesn't matter, I lug the Canon. Otherwise I now have a pocketable camera that does great out-of-the-box jpegs, and has RAW capability if I want it. 99% of the time I can't tell which camera took the shot.
Advice appreciated please.

At present I have a Nikon D90 body with 3 lenses. All very good but it's getting too heavy to carry all this kit around. So I am thinking about changing this for a GH1+14/140 lens as a lighter and more manageable kit, especially for travel purposes and general purpose photography. All the reviews that I have read reckon that the GH1 is a fine camera and that the14/140 lens is probably better that the Nikon 18/200 lens.
You mention three lenses, so what are the other two? Are you going to want m4/3 equivalents for those lenses as well? My point is that you need to consider your entire kit. The GH1 is definitely a lighter and smaller camera body than the D90, but the 14-140mm is not much smaller or lighter than the 18-200 (but it does give you more reach on m4/3). Depending on the other lenses the entire kit weight reduction might not be as much as you're hoping for. If that's the case it might just come down to what's important to you. The GH1 is the better video camera, and the D90 is the better still camera. But depending on your needs the GH1 might be every bit as good of a still camera for you. Either is capable of taking great photos... just different features and performance characteristics.

When you talk about the weight of interchangeable lens cameras, the kit weight is affected more by the lenses you carry than by the camera body. True that m4/3 lenses are generally smaller and lighter than their DSLR counterparts, but you get more lens selection with your Nikon so the weight savings only helps if you can get the lenses you want.

I have a couple of Nikon bodies (main one being the D200) and ten lenses. I never carry all my lenses at the same times since some are highly specialized... usually just two or three. When I want to travel light I carry my 18-200mm VR and a 35mm prime. Sometimes I just carry a couple of primes. Even with the D200 it is a light kit compared to carrying my D200 with a 17-55mm f/2.8 and 80-200mm f/2.8. I once considered the GH1 with 14-140mm and 20mm f/1.7, but after doing the math I decided the slight weight savings were cancelled out by not being able to carry one of my other Nikon primes with me (like my fisheye). So instead I decided to keep most of my Nikon gear, but sell a lens or two (plus my LX2 P&S) and buy the GF1 with 20mm pancake and maybe the 14-45mm. The attraction there is that it can fit in my coat pocket more easily than the GH1... and way more easily than the D200 (which really doesn't fit in a coat pocket).

So you've really got to think about what kit you carry and how you use it. You might end up with a GH1 kit that you also think is too heavy once you add a couple more lenses. Sometimes it's not the weight that is a problem, but how you carry it. A more comfortable bag, sling, or backpack might help you with either system. I can comfortably carry a D200 with 18-200 and 35mm prime in a shoulder bag. With my heavier lenses and tripod I prefer using a backpack. With the GF1 I'm looking forward to something I can just hang around my neck or carry in a coat pocket. The only time I ever hang the D200 around my neck is when I have a small prime attached. I'm not sure how comfortable the GH1 would be around the neck with a 14-140 attached. With a 14-45mm or 20mm pancake it should be just fine.

Sean
 
sean000 wrote:

The only time I ever hang the D200 around my neck is when I have a small prime attached. I'm not sure how comfortable the GH1 would be around the neck with a 14-140 attached.
The GH1 + 14-140mm is only the same weight as a D200 body and is only the size of a D40 plus kit lens. It carries well around the neck.
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Regards,
Karl B.
 
Instead, look at the GF1 and 20 1.7 to add to your Nikon setup. That gives you the best of both worlds.

I added an EP1 to my 4/3 camera bag. What a delight it is to have this tiny, very low profile solution. Doesn't intrude on your day, doesn't draw attention to you.

But, I'm not giving up my E3. It's a steadier platform. Weatherproof. Handles the long glass much better. Higher frame rate. Faster operation. If I want to devote an afternoon to getting a few good shots, that's what I take.
 
Advice appreciated please.

At present I have a Nikon D90 body with 3 lenses. All very good but it's getting too heavy to carry all this kit around. So I am thinking about changing this for a
I have just bought a new camera (The E-P1) and initially the D90 was in my scope aswell while deciding.

What made me choose the E-P1 over the D90 (and D5000) was what you describe here, weight and size.

If you experience that you don't have your camera with you at all times/sometimes wish "Oh I wish I had my camera with me now" and know that your heavy bag with the D90 and lenses are on the shelf back home, then changing to a µ4/3 system is a good option.

What you loose is:

The IQ is slightly lower than the D90 and D5000... If you print out house size posters and go close, you can see it... Also if you let a computer analyse the raw data you can see it... If you, like me and so many others, seldomly print larger than A3, no difference at all (choice of printer is more important here)
Low light is also slightly worse... Again see above...

Lenses: There are currently not so many lenses, and none of really high quality for the system... If you "normally" buy 1-2000€ lenses for your system, then you are out of selection here... The lenses that are there are OK quality though.

What gain is:

Much smaller and lighter system. Even the G(H)1 can fit in a small back, and going for a GF1/E-P1/2 you can fit in a jacket pocket...

The E-P1 with the kit 14-42 collapsible lens weighs less than the D90 body alone, and the GF1 is much lighter (and more plasticy look and feel)

You can use your old lenses for D90 with an adapter (around 30-40$ on ebay) aswell as you can get very good lenses for the system with adapters... Here you have to look at the capabilities of the lenses and converter... Normally you loose aperture control (lens always full open) and AF (aside from E-P1 with 4/3 adapter)

I find that I almost always have my E-P1 with me... And that have resulted in me taking 100 times more pictures than before I bought it, since I hardly ever carried my SLR around and my p&s did not provide satisfactory pictures...

I have also found out that I need to take alot more photos to become a better photographer :D
 
Hi

In my view the best combination is Oly body and Pan lenses.
I was disappointed in the Oly 14-42 lens.
The Pan lenses are fantastic though...

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24-105 IS f/4L
70-200 IS f/2,8L
17-40 f/4L
100 macro f/2,8
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Olympus E-P1
Olympus m4/3 14-42, f/3,5-5,6
Panasonic m4/3 7-14, f/4
Panasonic m4/3 14-45, f/3,5-5,6
Panasonic m4/3 45-200, f/4-5,6
Olympus FL-14
Olympus FL-50 R

 
sean000 wrote:

The only time I ever hang the D200 around my neck is when I have a small prime attached. I'm not sure how comfortable the GH1 would be around the neck with a 14-140 attached.
The GH1 + 14-140mm is only the same weight as a D200 body and is only the size of a D40 plus kit lens. It carries well around the neck.
Glad to hear it is comfortable Karl. I was thinking more about the balance. Since the 14-140 is heavier than the GH1 I thought it might hang a little weird, but sounds like that isn't an issue. And even though my D200 with 35mm prime attached isn't too heavy around the neck, I'm still looking forward to the much lighter GF1+20mm pancake... which illustrates my point to the OP about the lenses affecting kit weight more than the body. The GH1 isn't that much heavier than the GF1, but the GH1's 14-140 is significantly heavier than the 14-45mm zoom or 20mm pancake.

But back to the OP... it sounds like he considers his D90 + 18-200 to be too heavy. If that's the case he might think the GH1 + 14-140 is a bit heavy as well since the difference is only about 250g (although 250g is hardly a trivial amount of weight when discussing a camera+lens combo, it becomes less significant in a a 3-lens kit). If all he carries is the GH1 and 14-140 then he will gain a camera that is a bit lighter, has longer reach, and better video. But depending on the other lenses he adds (if any) it may not be a significantly lighter kit than he has now.

Sean
 
Instead, look at the GF1 and 20 1.7 to add to your Nikon setup. That gives you the best of both worlds.
That's what I'm doing. The GF1 + 20mm weighs less than some of my Nikon lenses (costs less too). I might sell a DSLR lens or two to help finance the GF1.

I know from the specs alone that a m4/3 camera isn't going to meet my needs for some of the photographs I take, but likewise my DSLR gear is overkill and a bit burdensome when I just want a high quality but more compact camera to carry on a daily basis or in situations where I don't need the DSLR.
 

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