plusiotis653459
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...I think that the cops REALLY should have tasered him.
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Yet more over-reaction from the City of London Police
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plusiotis653459
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get a life ....... and an Olympus E-3 ..... (and then give it to me).
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bitjunkie
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True the photog may have helped calm the situation by being more cooperative, but I have to say that I am astonished at the number of police resources dispatched to check out a guy taking a photo, and I don't blame the photog for blowing off the nosy rent-a-cop in the first place. If a rent-a-cop (or anyone else) walked up to me in a public place and started giving me the 3rd degree I'd tell them where to go too.
There is a mindset involved here - a rush to judge all photographers as suspicious. It is an ugly thing and very dangerous for photography, and photographers.
The poor guy is lucky it was a church he took photos of and not a kid.
There is a mindset involved here - a rush to judge all photographers as suspicious. It is an ugly thing and very dangerous for photography, and photographers.
The poor guy is lucky it was a church he took photos of and not a kid.
arizonadesertrat
Senior Member
There is a mindset involved here - a rush to judge all security forces and police as unprofessional. It is an ugly thing and very dangerous to our society and it's citizens.
The cops were lucky they stopped to talk with a photographer and not a jihadist wearing a suicide vest.
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The cops were lucky they stopped to talk with a photographer and not a jihadist wearing a suicide vest.
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bitjunkie
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You get the Government you deserve. Enjoy.
I agree with you Dennis... I don't think there is anything wrong with ignoring some security guard from a neighbouring building when you are not going there. But obviously it would annoy the guard in question.
If I were the police and got a call about "reports of an aggressive male" who "refused to provide his name and explain what he was doing to a security guard from a nearby Bank of America office", I would be concerned and investigate. I don't think it takes much thought to consider that a Bank of America office may be a potential target IF there are terroists about.
Ignoring the guard is one thing... ignoring the police are another. If he provided his info and got harrassed then I would be indignant...
People maybe jumping quickly to cries of "suspicious terrorist activities" but the police simply cannot afford not to...
Just my 2 cents on this...
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scraffoto
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All the people on here defending the police should be ashamed of themselves. I have dealt with this sort of behaviour myself and can say without bias that the majority of the UK police are nothing but bully boys and thugs. You DO NOT have to provide anyoe with your name for taking a photograph, and people saying the guy should have been tasered are pathetic. We are seeing our rights being gradually eroded and are sleepwalking into it, wake up people.
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Hey... I totally agree that you should not be harrassed for taking photos... what I AM saying is that the police received a complaint about a possible issue from a guard (quite possibly the trouble maker in this case) who happened to work at a building which demands due consideration because of its potential as a target (I mean the Bank of America office BTW and not whatever the photographer is shooting).
This is not a RANDOM stop and question situation. I believe the police should do something more meaningful than to stop passing photographers but they DO have to pay attention to reports from guards (even possibly annoying ones).
Stand by your rights by all means, I certainly will but if the officer is polite, I believe we should answer questions within reason. what's wrong with that? let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill...
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arizonadesertrat
Senior Member
I can't imagine why you of all persons would have trouble dealing with police.
London police have had their work cut out for them what with the IRA actions of the past and the jihadis trying to kill as many Londoners as possible now. Anyone purposely making their work more difficult than it needs to be should be ashamed of themselves.
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bikinchris
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So you are trying to say the IRA sent out photographers?
Your blind defense of the police is as misguided as the blind attacks on police behavior.
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Your blind defense of the police is as misguided as the blind attacks on police behavior.
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Joseph S Wisniewski
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Amazing.
Norman Day, Trollin' Norman, whose accounts have included "plusiotis", "Plusiotis", and "insectman", is making a "get a life" comment to someone else.
A person whose own life has included the honing of his trolling skills until he earned the title of the only certified master troll on dpReview . This means that he is the only troll to twice manage to post an inflammatory post that received 149 responses (dpReview has a 150 post limit on threads) without him ever returning to the thread to post more and "fan the flames" if the thread dies down.
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Bit of an overstatement, don't you think? Even if it's one out of every hundred thousand people with a camera who get stopped it's too many but there's no point in being paranoid and blowing things totally out of proportion.
bitjunkie
Forum Enthusiast
Clearly you seem to be more comfortable with the erosion of your rights than I am. If you feel photographers are such a threat why do you associate with them?
I know that law enforcement has a tough job to do, but mindlessly searching photographers isn't a good way to catch the bad guys and we all know it.
And excusing these kinds of lame brained incidents doesn't help either. The photog should have been more courteous with the real police (shame on him), and the police should have recognized a false call from an angry rent-a-cop who overstepped his authority, The police should have refused to be dragged in like the rent-a-cops private goon squad to hassle the photog. (shame on all of them, especially the rent-a-cop).
You can support law enforcement and still reject the concept that taking photos is somehow a terrorist act, and speak up about these stupid incidents and demand justice.
Or you can be a sheep.
Happy shooting.
I know that law enforcement has a tough job to do, but mindlessly searching photographers isn't a good way to catch the bad guys and we all know it.
And excusing these kinds of lame brained incidents doesn't help either. The photog should have been more courteous with the real police (shame on him), and the police should have recognized a false call from an angry rent-a-cop who overstepped his authority, The police should have refused to be dragged in like the rent-a-cops private goon squad to hassle the photog. (shame on all of them, especially the rent-a-cop).
You can support law enforcement and still reject the concept that taking photos is somehow a terrorist act, and speak up about these stupid incidents and demand justice.
Or you can be a sheep.
Happy shooting.
DjD_a700
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How can you expect the police to know a false call from a real one? I could just imagine the field day the press and public would have if the police and other emergency responders were to pick and choose who they respond to!Clearly you seem to be more comfortable with the erosion of your rights than I am. If you feel photographers are such a threat why do you associate with them?
I know that law enforcement has a tough job to do, but mindlessly searching photographers isn't a good way to catch the bad guys and we all know it.
And excusing these kinds of lame brained incidents doesn't help either. The photog should have been more courteous with the real police (shame on him), and the police should have recognized a false call from an angry rent-a-cop who overstepped his authority, The police should have refused to be dragged in like the rent-a-cops private goon squad to hassle the photog. (shame on all of them, especially the rent-a-cop).
You can support law enforcement and still reject the concept that taking photos is somehow a terrorist act, and speak up about these stupid incidents and demand justice.
Or you can be a sheep.
Happy shooting.
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bitjunkie
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Let me define a false call for you:
Rent-a-cop calls saying 'Oh my god someone is taking photographs! Send the Police!'
Get it?
Rent-a-cop calls saying 'Oh my god someone is taking photographs! Send the Police!'
Get it?
Pure quality I love it. I get it but seems others don't, I grew up in Northern Ireland during the 70s and 80s. I have shed loads of first hand experience of terrorism. i went to university while my friends went to prison for membership, posession etc. The only way to beat terrorism is to win the intelligence war. When Danny Morrison was asked why the IRA gave up the armed struggle his answer was simple, 'We lost the intelligence war.' There is no intelligence being shown here by the police.
MusicmanUK
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http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Police_crackdown_on_City_photographers_news_292881.html
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arizonadesertrat
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Innit amazing how hundreds of thousands of people happily wander throughout London taking pictures of everything in sight without being accosted or anyone even taking notice. Going by some of the posts in here would make one believe there are hundreds if not thousands of tourists being hassled daily about their cameras when nothing could be further from the truth.
To take the missteps of a few overbearing security people and completely blowing their actions out of proportion may serve the needs of the paranoid few to support their various causes but it just doesn't mesh with reality.
Millions have visited London and taken who knows how many photographs blissfully unawares that in the minds of a few there is a war being fought against them.
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To take the missteps of a few overbearing security people and completely blowing their actions out of proportion may serve the needs of the paranoid few to support their various causes but it just doesn't mesh with reality.
Millions have visited London and taken who knows how many photographs blissfully unawares that in the minds of a few there is a war being fought against them.
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bikinchris
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Who is waging this war?
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Marshall Muir
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Its plain to me now-one hear ever lost a loved one to a terrorist bomb!
he did this, he did that, i’d do this, i’d do that, B..l s..t at the end of the day the police have a job to do and arrogant photographers AND security guards don’t help.
Total waist of police time who in the end are the ones that not only have to deal with the aftermath of an attack but have to deal with idiots like these two.
I have to agree with rachis, well said mate and well put
wake up people this is the real world, bad policeman, bad security guards, bad attitudes by photographers there all in our midst and mean time so is the terrorist !
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