Canon G2 slammed by sales person?

rxburns said:

Hi. I've been reading this forum for several weeks, waiting to make
my purcahse after the "announcement" of the Canon G3 - but most of
my research has been internet based. So i recently went to Ritz to
"feel" the Canon G2 in my hands. When I requested to see it the
sales person immediately slammed the G2 - stating printing quality
is the worst (next to sony) he's every seen. I realize it's one
persons opinion - but has anyone else run into a situation like
this? Can anyone back-up his statement. From what i've read so far

• the Canon G2 sounds like a solid camera... could it just be the

users taking poor quality photo's as opposed to the Canon G2 having
poor printing qualities? Thanks for taking the time to read or
respond. Happy Shooting!

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Ha ha ha !!!!

I have just checked full sized pictures from the 4 MP panasonic you told about (at http://www.steves-digicams.com ) : they are very poor compared to the G2, with noise and artifacts. The panasonic must be very cheap if you where advised to purchase it !

That's why generalizations are a bad thing. There are always exceptions to the rule. I salute you for taking the time and making the effort to learn the products that you sell. The problem is that most of the people in your profession do not.

praxis said:

After 6 months of listening in, I've finally got something to reply
to.

Actually, the more I think of it, I don't think I want to get drawn
into discussion of camera salesman.

I'm good. I'm honest, and after 10 years selling in the same town,
I've got a loyal following who do trust me.

Praxis

PS This salesman knows what's on the G3, when It'll arrive in my
store and how much it'll be

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There is only few knowledgable salespeople ... often good is what is in stock and bad what they dont want to sell or order.

You can blame the G2's AF for being sucky, but sure not the print quality. Most of my shots printed are hard to identify as digitals.

Avoid tis salesperson and maybe the store altogether

Matt

rxburns said:

Hi. I've been reading this forum for several weeks, waiting to make
my purcahse after the "announcement" of the Canon G3 - but most of
my research has been internet based. So i recently went to Ritz to
"feel" the Canon G2 in my hands. When I requested to see it the
sales person immediately slammed the G2 - stating printing quality
is the worst (next to sony) he's every seen. I realize it's one
persons opinion - but has anyone else run into a situation like
this? Can anyone back-up his statement. From what i've read so far

• the Canon G2 sounds like a solid camera... could it just be the

users taking poor quality photo's as opposed to the Canon G2 having
poor printing qualities? Thanks for taking the time to read or
respond. Happy Shooting!

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I don't have a G2 (wish I did - nice cam for the size) but i have an a40 and while the ultra-vivid imaged do look amazing on screen, I have to say that printed ot they do look a little overly digital. The G2 may be better, but the images I have seen look like much like a higher ersolution of my a40. The Nikon I dont like for its tendency to blow highlights (looks like video camera output) but I saw a review of the LC40 ina some magazine 9can remember the one) and the samples looked stunning! I would definitely like to know more about this cam. I currently have a Canon a40, Minolta Dimage 7i, and an Olympus e10 and while I like all 3 the 7i is my favorite for prints. The e10 is great, but it's so big and bulky I never use it. The a40 gets the most use...it's size an decent quality make it great for going with me everywhere. The 7i is a good medium sized cam, and I love the natural "film-like' prints I get, but it's a bit bulky for everyday use (although not as bad as the e10).

I'd say that most digicams in the 4-5 megapixel range are pretty darned good now, my only real gripes are the nikon's blown highlights and the sony's over-saturated colors. I think you would like the G2 just fine, although if the Panasonic is similarly priced I'd give it serious thought too.

Shane

rxburns said:

Grish said:

rxburns said:

Hi. I've been reading this forum for several weeks, waiting to make
my purcahse after the "announcement" of the Canon G3 - but most of
my research has been internet based. So i recently went to Ritz to
"feel" the Canon G2 in my hands. When I requested to see it the
sales person immediately slammed the G2 - stating printing quality
is the worst (next to sony) he's every seen. I realize it's one
persons opinion - but has anyone else run into a situation like
this? Can anyone back-up his statement. From what i've read so far

• the Canon G2 sounds like a solid camera... could it just be the

users taking poor quality photo's as opposed to the Canon G2 having
poor printing qualities? Thanks for taking the time to read or
respond. Happy Shooting!

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About the image quality of the panasonic:

I have to agree with Julien here, in fact I think the Panasonic 4MP cams (both LMC-40 and LMC-5) at this moment have maybe the worst image processing around!

Look at the samples at steves digicams, check for example the sky areas and see the artefacts - the same goes for the rest of the picture.

It looks like it's being run through some kind of pointilist filter in photoshop! Bad.

David N. said:

Technically, the guy is correct in saying that digital
has not fully "arrived", compared to the best film cameras. But
they are pretty damn close... and film's days as the mainstream
photo medium are numbered.

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I think that the Canon EOS 1Ds will be a big step in that, though granted it will be EXPENSIVE

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Teppo @ Finland
Cameras: Canon PowerShot S30, Nikon CoolPix 5700
Galleries: http://th.joroinen.fi/home/photography.html

A rare find indeed ..... an honest salesman !!!

Whoever it was, they did you a favour .... the G2 is legendary for autofocus problems, cracked bodies, and stuck controls. The couple of prints I did manage before my camera broke were poor at best .... Canon images are soft, soft, soft and require much color profiling.

I haven't read any of the other replies yet to your post, but I'd bet most came to the immediate defense of the G2, slammed the salesperson, and suggested that any problems with the G2 were due to the operator, not the camera. You see this is the Canon Fan Club, and anything negative about the G2 is attacked. In fact, your post is similar to another post a couple of weeks ago where a chap tells his story about a salesperson observing that two of the last three G2s' sold wrer returneed defective .... he was labeled a troll.

So if you haven't bought the G2 yet, consider yourself lucky, and put that salesperson on your Christmas card list. The number of problem posts here and elsewhere about the G2 are in the hundreds.

I used to work at Ritz and I can just bet the reason the salesperson slammed the Canon is because Canon doesn't offer any commision with their cameras. Nikon and Panasonic do and they are good commisions to almost $20.00 a camera. I rarely ever sold a Canon due to this fact so BEWARE of commisioned salesman find your information from a trusted source otherwise....you could be led the wrong way.

rxburns said:

Hi. I've been reading this forum for several weeks, waiting to make
my purcahse after the "announcement" of the Canon G3 - but most of
my research has been internet based. So i recently went to Ritz to
"feel" the Canon G2 in my hands. When I requested to see it the
sales person immediately slammed the G2 - stating printing quality
is the worst (next to sony) he's every seen. I realize it's one
persons opinion - but has anyone else run into a situation like
this? Can anyone back-up his statement. From what i've read so far

• the Canon G2 sounds like a solid camera... could it just be the

users taking poor quality photo's as opposed to the Canon G2 having
poor printing qualities? Thanks for taking the time to read or
respond. Happy Shooting!

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Very interesting, that makes sense.

.tch
http://www.pbase.com/tch/best

Jeff Beach said:

rxburns said:

Hi. I've been reading this forum for several weeks, waiting to make
my purcahse after the "announcement" of the Canon G3 - but most of
my research has been internet based. So i recently went to Ritz to
"feel" the Canon G2 in my hands. When I requested to see it the
sales person immediately slammed the G2 - stating printing quality
is the worst (next to sony) he's every seen. I realize it's one
persons opinion - but has anyone else run into a situation like
this? Can anyone back-up his statement. From what i've read so far

• the Canon G2 sounds like a solid camera... could it just be the

users taking poor quality photo's as opposed to the Canon G2 having
poor printing qualities? Thanks for taking the time to read or
respond. Happy Shooting!

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motofoto said:

So if you haven't bought the G2 yet, consider yourself lucky, and
put that salesperson on your Christmas card list. The number of
problem posts here and elsewhere about the G2 are in the hundreds.

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And satisfied G2 owners are in the thousands.

Hi

If it's worth anything, I developed over about 50 photos at Black's Camera, all shots taken with my G2. Gave them a CD with a range of resolutions and file sizes, and, with the exception of two photos, they all turned out as good as anything I've shot with my Nikon SLR-- this with next day delivery.

The next set went to Walmart, and they turned out horrendous-- completely dull and colours faded.

I don't know too much about the commercial development process for digi pics, but I suspect the technology/expertise of the developer has a lot to do with how your photos will turn out.

Good luck

--
A. Zia

Any shonky salesman worth his salt knows this one. A customer coming into a store and asking about a particular make and model has probably done some homework - including shopping around on price, so if you do sell him what he wanted it's probably going to be at a small margin.

They will want to sell you anything except what you ask for. Even if the model is in stock, the smart operator will slam that camera and try to sell something else. It will probably be one of the lesser brands and something lower in recommended retail price to start with so it can be sold at full margins or above and still offer a lower price point to the customer.

It works because there's one born every minute. Do your research, shop around and walk out with the right gear at the right price.

DGM

rxburns said:

When I requested to see it the sales person immediately slammed the G2 - stating printing quality is the worst (next to sony) he's every seen.

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funny.. it was the Ritz folks in my neighborhood that turned me on to the G2..confirmed by Penn Camera. I think they were both correct -- sweet camera.
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joel albert
[email protected]

Don't go to Ritz Camera, where most people know nothing about photography.

Ruffian said:

You'd need to know whether your prospective customers are tech
savvy i.e. they know the stuff and what to buy, or those that have
little or no experience i.e. "We are looking for a digital camera
for our 15-year-old daughter".

For the savvy, they might have a few unanswered questions, so it's
not a bad idea to familiarize yourself with the machines. For the
latter, you might want to personally demonstrate what they can do
and let them try it. If you're not sure, ASK.

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PB,
Well, here's your problem:

""I was browsing a Japan Camera store in Toronto""

It may be case a of what came first; Toronto or Japan Camera

As for your quote:

" so it's not a bad idea to familiarize yourself with the machines."

You hit the nail on the head. I do my best to familiarise myself
with as many of the cameras as possible (ideally all of them) but
I am not that proud that I won't grab the instruction manual for
the camera in question. Some people are offended that I don't
everything about the camera where as others, although they
may have wait a bit longer for the answer, appreciate that they
are getting the correct answer or at least the information that
the manufacturer would (hopefully) supply.

BTW, PB, you have a very interesting website and links.

Cheers,

JRS
when a guy came in

Ruffian said:

and basically said, "Are there any digital camera that has a long
zoom?" Since the Dimage 7 was the only long-zoom camera (and he was
using at least a 3MP camera, so 2MP 10x doesn't count), I said, "I
think you are looking for..."

You figure out the rest.
--
http://printerboyweb.net/G2

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morris said:

JR, you can do what you like, but do you want to make the sale?
I’d be gentle. Some know it all types are too stubborn to realize
that a car has hit them after they say it is safe to cross the
street.

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Morris,

For the most part, I know when to hold 'em and know when
to fold 'em. Of corse, on the rare occasion I do forget where
the brakes are.



JRS

Member said:

Morris

J.R.Simpson said:

Don said:

I know its probably a little cruel, but when I run up against a
opinionated young know-it-all salesman I often play him along for a
few laughs. I'm 60 years old and when I go into a computer store or
a store that sells digital cameras I'm often taken for some
doddering old fool who hasn't progressed from black and white sheet
film. So I ask a few simple leading questions and then nail him to
the wall.
In this case I would have asked for samples of prints from the G2
and the two cameras he was flogging. I'd ask him to show me how the
G2 works and then, when he got it wrong, correct him. (This is more
effective if him boss is nearby) I'd also ask him what his
experience is and what cameras he owns. And maybe ask to see some
of his work!!
But then I have lots of free time.
For all you young salesmen reading this: when you have some free
time (no customers) try reading the ownsers manuals for the stuff
you're selling instead of kibittzing with your buddies. Your
customers will appreciate it and, who knows, you may make more
sales.
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Hi Don,

You are a man who is wise beyond his years, ie: reading instruction
manuals.

Now, a question to you: Is it OK if I do the same thing to some
of my customers as you suggest to do some of the sales people?

From a "not-so-young" camera salesperson in YVR.

Cheers,

JRS

Member said:

Happy Snapping
Don McVee
http://www.pbase.com/mcveed

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