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OK, so now I’m pretty much sold on the 602 (was just looking for excuses to be convinced anyway.) So thanks everybody for your inputs.

• Some of you guys strongly recommended the “55mm lens tube adapter” and UV filter, as dependable means of preventing lens physical damage. Being the kind of guy that gets the remedy before the disease, I would like to find these fine products prior to the actual product purchase, and living in the land of camels and suicide bombers, local store selection here is miniscule and priced at around 300% what you pay (someone’s got to pay for these extravagant attractions…) Anyone know where I can get these accessories on-line? Tried yahoo and google searches and got nothing.

• Future Fuji models – anyone knows when Fuji plans to release a similar model with enhanced CCD and battery life? (These seem to be the major wish list items now.) I’m guessing until such a model comes out, and the price drops back to sub-$600, it should take about a year.

• Regarding image post processing – does one really need Photoshop, or can I get decent basic results with a free/shareware such as Irfanview?

• I’m thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash? Should I worry about moving parts? Is it true that video doesn’t work well with Compact Flash? Is the video performance really that solid that I can get the 1GB for $220 and not find out later it’s just a trinket?

• Any known issues with Compact Flash compatibility? I’ve encountered a few gripes from guys who spent serious doe on CF cards only to find out they are not compatible with their specific camera. Are all microdrives guaranteed to be compatible?

• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?

• Recommended cheapo photo printers? I don’t much like the photo prints out of my Deskjet 970. I’m guessing Epson 785?
 
OK, so now I’m pretty much sold on the 602 (was just looking for
excuses to be convinced anyway.) So thanks everybody for your
inputs.
Excellent choice! :)
• Some of you guys strongly recommended the “55mm lens tube
adapter” and UV filter, as dependable means of preventing lens
physical damage. Being the kind of guy that gets the remedy before
the disease, I would like to find these fine products prior to the
actual product purchase, and living in the land of camels and
suicide bombers, local store selection here is miniscule and priced
at around 300% what you pay (someone’s got to pay for these
extravagant attractions…) Anyone know where I can get these
accessories on-line? Tried yahoo and google searches and got
nothing.
The tubes are quite difficult to find, as most online sources seem to be out of stock. http://www.2filter.com is the place most recommend but search the forum here as other sources for the tubes have been discussed. The original Fuji is very difficult to find and cost quite a bit more than the comparable Kenko or Raynox versions. An alternative is if you are considering either the add-on tele or wide angle conversion lens. If you buy the Fuji lens, you get the tube with it, but it will set you back another US$125 or so.
• Regarding image post processing – does one really need Photoshop,
or can I get decent basic results with a free/shareware such as
Irfanview?
You can get by with Irfanview, many users on here use that software along with Qimage Pro to print. Shots straight out of the camera with no post processing at all are often times just fine with the 6900/602. An alternative it to check and see if you can find an older version of Photoshop Elements (v1.0) or Photoshop LE. Both of these originally retailed for US$99 but with the release of v2.0 of Elements, these two packages may be available at a discount.

--
John

Fuji 6900Z, Fuji2600Z,
Pentax PZ-1p, Pentax ZX-M, Pentax MX, Oly Stylus
http://www.pbase.com/jglover
 
• Some of you guys strongly recommended the “55mm lens tube
adapter” and UV filter, Anyone know where I can get these
accessories on-line? Tried yahoo and google searches and got
nothing.
I think most people recommend 2filters.com, but if I remember they have a back order at the moment - try a search on the forum for other ideas
• Future Fuji models – anyone knows when Fuji plans to release a
similar model with enhanced CCD and battery life? (These seem to be
the major wish list items now.)
Battery life and the CCD are excellent - not sure why anyone would consider these a problem? The only time you will have a problem with the CCD is in very dark conditions, when it will appear as black - but I can't see how this could be enhanced.
With rechargeable NiMH batteries, your camera will just keep going and going !!
• Regarding image post processing – does one really need Photoshop,
or can I get decent basic results with a free/shareware such as
Irfanview?
Not sure about in your neck of the woods - but here in Australia, it comes bundled with Adobe Photo Deluxe Home addition, which has a lot of the basic functionality of Photoshop (and a lot more intuitive to learn). So there should be no need to go out and buy Photoshop unless you plan to take pics for a living :)
• I’m thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video
capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How
about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash? Should I worry about moving
parts? Is it true that video doesn’t work well with Compact Flash?
Is the video performance really that solid that I can get the 1GB
for $220 and not find out later it’s just a trinket?
My Compact Flash card would only give me about 24secs, before the buffer filled up and the video stopped. So if you want to take a large amount of video you'll need the microdrive
If you get a problem with the microdrive - replace it on warranty
• Any known issues with Compact Flash compatibility? I’ve
encountered a few gripes from guys who spent serious doe on CF
cards only to find out they are not compatible with their specific
camera. Are all microdrives guaranteed to be compatible?
I've heard of some problems - but since IBM is the only one that makes a microdrive (the others are just rebadged IBM I believe), you are guaranteed of it being compatible
• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
Windows XP already comes in built with ability to read from flash cards, so you shouldn't have any trouble in this area.
• Recommended cheapo photo printers? I don’t much like the
photo prints out of my Deskjet 970. I’m guessing Epson 785?
I only want 4x6" standard pics, so I love my Sony DPP-SV55 dye sublimation printer. Owning the Epson 895 as well, I must admit it does pretty good prints.

The new HP photosmart 7550 with 7 ink printing, colour LCD and 4 inbuilt flash card readers and 4800x1200 dpi printing looks great - but I've heard complaints about paper jams with it (which is what we had when we previously owned an HP). Still if you want it purely for printing digital photos, then it's definitely worth a look

Richard
 
OK, so now I’m pretty much sold on the 602 (was just looking for
excuses to be convinced anyway.) So thanks everybody for your
inputs.

• Some of you guys strongly recommended the “55mm lens tube
adapter” and UV filter, as dependable means of preventing lens
physical damage. Being the kind of guy that gets the remedy before
the disease, I would like to find these fine products prior to the
actual product purchase, and living in the land of camels and
suicide bombers, local store selection here is miniscule and priced
at around 300% what you pay (someone’s got to pay for these
extravagant attractions…) Anyone know where I can get these
accessories on-line? Tried yahoo and google searches and got
nothing.
Sorry, I can not help with finding an on line company that will ship overseas but I'm sure someone will know.

The adapter tube does more than that and does it well I do notknowwhy ohter companies have not joined in, it lessens any dust and moisture problems (moisture is probably not a big problem in the Middle East but Sand might be in some areas). Gives an excellent holding perch for long exposures, gives the ability to mount add-on lenses [and filters] without straining the lens since it mounts to the camera body.
• Future Fuji models – anyone knows when Fuji plans to release a
similar model with enhanced CCD and battery life? (These seem to be
the major wish list items now.) I’m guessing until such a model
comes out, and the price drops back to sub-$600, it should take
about a year.
No clue! But I was under the impression the 602 had solved the 6900's battery life and expense problem.
• Regarding image post processing – does one really need Photoshop,
or can I get decent basic results with a free/shareware such as
Irfanview?
Photo Shop is the King but Paint Shop Pro {most often less than $100 US @ http://www.JASC.com (check for competitive upgrade)} is the Crown Prince. Less expensive easier to learn and very extensive.
• I’m thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video
capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How
about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash? Should I worry about moving
parts? Is it true that video doesn’t work well with Compact Flash?
Is the video performance really that solid that I can get the 1GB
for $220 and not find out later it’s just a trinket?
Interesting debates here and on more so Pro forum indicate the the Microdrive is very reliable the CF somewhat more and Smartmedia is the most. There are pros who have used the microdrives for years and never had problems and a few that have had problems with CF so there is no perfect answer. Each has some faults and strong points. To avoid a disaster you might consider getting a microdrive and 2 Smartmedia cards as backup.
• Any known issues with Compact Flash compatibility? I’ve
encountered a few gripes from guys who spent serious doe on CF
cards only to find out they are not compatible with their specific
camera. Are all microdrives guaranteed to be compatible?
Appearently there are no problems IF you get a card that is fast enough. BUT check with the MFG before buying for suitability for the 602. If not assurred I would look to another card as standards vary. But check with 602 owners (I have the 6900).
• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
I do not now have XP [maybe in a month if I fail to solve a ME problem] But I have been very successful with a SM reader. However, I'm told you must be very careful when removing and inserting CF cards due to possible damage. But I have not used them.
• Recommended cheapo photo printers? I don’t much like the photo
prints out of my Deskjet 970. I’m guessing Epson 785?
Before doing that I would try getting QImage from http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage/

I believe they have a downloadable free trial version. QImage works extremely well and prints batches of photos if needed [I've set up > 90 different photos andmany different sizes at a time and left]. QImage does many other things also but does take a while to learn the additional capibilities. QImage will, if you tell it to, place photos sized as you wish in the least Paper usage configuration so in a year this feature probably more then pays for the software plus the time saved and superior prints.

BTW I have a HP 930C and get better than lab results consistantly and use a pro lab with film. Not only that but when I purchased the 930C was only $139 and out printed the Canon and Epson printers at more than double its price. Although I am in the minority I am not totally sold that Epson is always the best printer. I have even seen some reports that the Epson photos last either only a little longer or about the same as other companies prints. So, check for yourself and decide.

--
Ray
RJNedimyer
 
Thanks you guys for your helpful answers.
• Future Fuji models – anyone knows when Fuji plans to release a
similar model with enhanced CCD and battery life? (These seem to be
the major wish list items now.)
Battery life and the CCD are excellent - not sure why anyone would
consider these a problem? The only time you will have a problem
with the CCD is in very dark conditions, when it will appear as
black - but I can't see how this could be enhanced.
With rechargeable NiMH batteries, your camera will just keep going
and going !!
Regarding the CCD what I meant was the 3MP resolution, which is a considerable drawback, as the comparable cameras have 4 and 5MP, and this gives the 602 a disadvantage in image quality under some circumstances. Obviously I like the super CCD, I just would prefer it at 4 or 5 MP. Look at the picture comparison between the 602 and G2 in the official review in this site and see the obvious difference.

Regarding battery life I consider it as something which should always be improved. My cell phone (6310) works for over a week without need to recharge. Any device that needs to be recharged more often can still use improvement. Battery technology is making vast leaps, and us as consumers should apply pressure on device vendors so that battery life will become a non issue in more and more devices.
• Regarding image post processing – does one really need Photoshop,
or can I get decent basic results with a free/shareware such as
Irfanview?
Not sure about in your neck of the woods - but here in Australia,
it comes bundled with Adobe Photo Deluxe Home addition, which has a
lot of the basic functionality of Photoshop (and a lot more
intuitive to learn). So there should be no need to go out and buy
Photoshop unless you plan to take pics for a living :)
My experience with Photo Deluxe was somewhat less than satisfactory.
• I’m thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video
capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How
about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash? Should I worry about moving
parts? Is it true that video doesn’t work well with Compact Flash?
Is the video performance really that solid that I can get the 1GB
for $220 and not find out later it’s just a trinket?
My Compact Flash card would only give me about 24secs, before the
buffer filled up and the video stopped. So if you want to take a
large amount of video you'll need the microdrive
If you get a problem with the microdrive - replace it on warranty
I think I've read somewhere that the CF is too slow to accept video streams, and that even the larger cards are not really usable, but that you need a microdrive for that. Anyway my question was more as to whether the video capability is really worth the effort and extra expenditure, or is it just a gimmick?
• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
Windows XP already comes in built with ability to read from flash
cards, so you shouldn't have any trouble in this area.
For the CF/MD I would need a card reader or floppy adapter?

What I meant to ask was if I connect the camera to a new pc through USB, does is plug-and-play automatically, or do I need to carry some CDs around with me?
 
Thanks Ray -
Sorry, I can not help with finding an on line company that will
ship overseas but I'm sure someone will know.
The adapter tube does more than that and does it well I do
notknowwhy ohter companies have not joined in, it lessens any dust
and moisture problems (moisture is probably not a big problem in
the Middle East but Sand might be in some areas). Gives an
excellent holding perch for long exposures, gives the ability to
mount add-on lenses [and filters] without straining the lens since
it mounts to the camera body.
I can accept US shipments - any companies you know?
BTW humidity and sand factors here are about the same as NY.
• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
I do not now have XP [maybe in a month if I fail to solve a ME
problem] But I have been very successful with a SM reader. However,
I'm told you must be very careful when removing and inserting CF
cards due to possible damage. But I have not used them.
I upgraded my ME to XP a few months ago and it's another world - worth every penny. Don't wait.
 
Thanks you guys for your helpful answers.
Regarding the CCD what I meant was the 3MP resolution, which is a
considerable drawback, as the comparable cameras have 4 and 5MP,
and this gives the 602 a disadvantage in image quality under some
circumstances. Obviously I like the super CCD, I just would prefer
it at 4 or 5 MP. Look at the picture comparison between the 602 and
G2 in the official review in this site and see the obvious
difference.
There is a difference if you are able to get perfect conditions (like studio conditions). But the SuperCCD performs (as is admitted in about any test I have seen) as a 4Mp CCD. This is easily explained by the (physical) fact that the CCD is aligned diagonally and thus has a higher vertical and horizontal (most important directions) resolution whereas a traditional CCD has the best resolution diagonally. This results in pictures that look like they were taken at 4.3Mp (Take the resolution and apply a factor of sqrt(2) which is the real theoretical resolution I'd expect from a diagonally aligned CCD in horizontal/vertical direction because the higher packing of cells in that direction). This really works. The 6Mp pictures from the camera look a bit soft but that only comes into play if you really print at A3 or higher. For screen you'd always have to rescale and sharpen after that anyway...
Regarding battery life I consider it as something which should
always be improved. My cell phone (6310) works for over a week
without need to recharge. Any device that needs to be recharged
more often can still use improvement. Battery technology is making
vast leaps, and us as consumers should apply pressure on device
vendors so that battery life will become a non issue in more and
more devices.
Well then the 602Z is a sound choice because:

a) it makes a lot of pictures with today's 1800mAh NiMH-rechargables (and I mean a LOT - 400+ on one set of rechargables with microdive in use).

b) if the rechargables get better you are not stuck with some kind of propriarity recharable format but can use newer (2000mAh NiMH are just becoming available) standard compliant rechargables.
I'm thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video
capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How
about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash? Should I worry about moving
parts? Is it true that video doesn't work well with Compact Flash?
It doesn't work with a lot of the available CF-cards. There are reports all over the place that the video capabilities at full resolution are quite limited with flash memory CF. The Microdrive performs perfectly.
Is the video performance really that solid that I can get the 1GB
for $220 and not find out later it's just a trinket?
My Compact Flash card would only give me about 24secs, before the
buffer filled up and the video stopped. So if you want to take a
large amount of video you'll need the microdrive
If you get a problem with the microdrive - replace it on warranty
I think I've read somewhere that the CF is too slow to accept video
streams, and that even the larger cards are not really usable, but
that you need a microdrive for that. Anyway my question was more as
to whether the video capability is really worth the effort and
extra expenditure, or is it just a gimmick?
For a still photo camera the abilities in that area are outstanding. It compresses video stronger than a DV-camera though and there is no zooming available after the recording has started. If you have a DV camera then the 602Z can't replace it but for the occasional video it's quite ok (better than any other still photo camera available today). And don't worry about the microdrive. It will survive anything the camera can (considerable more probably because the camera is full of precision mechanics that don't fare too well being banged about).
Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
Windows XP already comes in built with ability to read from flash
cards, so you shouldn't have any trouble in this area.
I don't known about XP but on linux it just shows up as a excangable media that can be read without any hitch.
For the CF/MD I would need a card reader or floppy adapter?
What I meant to ask was if I connect the camera to a new pc through
USB, does is plug-and-play automatically, or do I need to carry
some CDs around with me?
I really don't know (windows XP is something I don't touch with a long pole let alone let it handle my precious pictures). But for an alternative possibility to read your photos I would use a CF to PCMCIA adapter because that let's you use the full speed of the CF (they are PCMCIA in small so that's an inexpensive adapter that just connects through). For that you'd have to have PCMCIA-type II slots (PC-CARD is just another name for that) in your computer (which is true for most current notebooks).

regards
Karl Günter
 
As of two days ago 2Filter did not have 55-55 black tubes. They had 55-52 silver tubes. I am on back order for the full size black.
 
OK, so now I’m pretty much sold on the 602 (was just looking for
excuses to be convinced anyway.) So thanks everybody for your
inputs.

• Some of you guys strongly recommended the “55mm lens tube
adapter” and UV filter, as dependable means of preventing lens
physical damage. Being the kind of guy that gets the remedy before
the disease, I would like to find these fine products prior to the
actual product purchase, and living in the land of camels and
suicide bombers, local store selection here is miniscule and priced
at around 300% what you pay (someone’s got to pay for these
extravagant attractions…) Anyone know where I can get these
accessories on-line? Tried yahoo and google searches and got
nothing.
I bought a set of close up lenses which came with a 55-52 tube & a set of 3 filters on Ebay from digitalforu. They auction all the time. They arrived from the USA to here in New Zealand at the bottom of the South Pacific in 7 days. I bid for the closeups + tube & when I won they offered me the filters for a bit more money & no extra postage. I tape the tube onto the 2800 & have got some great closeup shots! I don't know why no one ever talks about them on this forum. The whole lot cost about USD78.

--
MX1700 + borrowed 2800Z
 
What I meant to ask was if I connect the camera to a new pc through
USB, does is plug-and-play automatically, or do I need to carry
some CDs around with me?
I think Karl answered your questions better than I did (and sorry for misinterpretation of some of them)

But for your final one, I can definitely say yes to this. If you connect the camera to an XP machine via USB without the drivers, you will see it as a removable harddrive device

I know because this is the way I connected the camera to the PC for a week, before I decided to install the Fuji Finepix viewer and drivers
 
• Future Fuji models – anyone knows when Fuji plans to release a
similar model with enhanced CCD and battery life? (These seem to be
the major wish list items now.)
Battery life and the CCD are excellent - not sure why anyone would
consider these a problem? The only time you will have a problem
with the CCD is in very dark conditions, when it will appear as
black - but I can't see how this could be enhanced.
With rechargeable NiMH batteries, your camera will just keep going
and going !!
Regarding the CCD what I meant was the 3MP resolution, which is a
considerable drawback, as the comparable cameras have 4 and 5MP,
and this gives the 602 a disadvantage in image quality under some
circumstances. Obviously I like the super CCD, I just would prefer
it at 4 or 5 MP. Look at the picture comparison between the 602 and
G2 in the official review in this site and see the obvious
difference.

Regarding battery life I consider it as something which should
always be improved. My cell phone (6310) works for over a week
without need to recharge. Any device that needs to be recharged
more often can still use improvement. Battery technology is making
vast leaps, and us as consumers should apply pressure on device
vendors so that battery life will become a non issue in more and
more devices.
• Regarding image post processing – does one really need Photoshop,
or can I get decent basic results with a free/shareware such as
Irfanview?
Not sure about in your neck of the woods - but here in Australia,
it comes bundled with Adobe Photo Deluxe Home addition, which has a
lot of the basic functionality of Photoshop (and a lot more
intuitive to learn). So there should be no need to go out and buy
Photoshop unless you plan to take pics for a living :)
My experience with Photo Deluxe was somewhat less than satisfactory.
• I’m thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video
capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How
about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash? Should I worry about moving
parts? Is it true that video doesn’t work well with Compact Flash?
Is the video performance really that solid that I can get the 1GB
for $220 and not find out later it’s just a trinket?
My Compact Flash card would only give me about 24secs, before the
buffer filled up and the video stopped. So if you want to take a
large amount of video you'll need the microdrive
If you get a problem with the microdrive - replace it on warranty
I think I've read somewhere that the CF is too slow to accept video
streams, and that even the larger cards are not really usable, but
that you need a microdrive for that. Anyway my question was more as
to whether the video capability is really worth the effort and
extra expenditure, or is it just a gimmick?
• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
Windows XP already comes in built with ability to read from flash
cards, so you shouldn't have any trouble in this area.
For the CF/MD I would need a card reader or floppy adapter?
What I meant to ask was if I connect the camera to a new pc through
USB, does is plug-and-play automatically, or do I need to carry
some CDs around with me?
I'm using WinXP with NO problems at all. With set as USB DSC, it plugs right in and you can read immediately from the cam. I did however go ahead and buy a SanDisk CF and SM combo reader (USB). I like it better than having to open the door and use the small USB connecter in the cam.

I'm VERY new to digital photography but am having a ball with this camera.

I also have an old Nikon 2020 SLR which has been in the bag for over two years and not used.
 
• Some of you guys strongly recommended the “55mm lens tube
adapter” and UV filter, as dependable means of preventing lens
physical damage.
I'm not sold on the adapter - a lot of trouble; can just be careful and not leave the camera laying around with the lense open.
• Future Fuji models – anyone knows when Fuji plans to release a
similar model with enhanced CCD and battery life?
The S602 is it - both were enhanced; I would not wait long for either getting much better at the same price.
• I’m thinking of getting a 1GB Microdrive so that the video
capacity is acceptable at 30 minutes. Any thoughts on that? How
about Mircodrive vs. Compact Flash
I have Microdrive - 340s; seem fine.
CF must be type II to be safe - this has been discussed earlier.
• Does anyone have complaints on the software installation on
Windows XP? If I want to enable my camera to download images to any
PC, is a compact-flash reader a good way to go about it?
XP compatible. Card reader - yes.
• Recommended cheapo photo printers? Epson 820 great for teh price.
 
living in the land of camels and suicide bombers
Hi Shlomi,
Like you, I'm living in the land of milk and honey.
Recommended cheapo photo printers? I don’t much like the photo
prints out of my Deskjet 970. I’m guessing Epson 785?
If there's no special reason I would suggest that you don't buy any printer, as the photograde paper and ink heads cost a fortune, even in Uncle Sam's. Instead I print my images at Fuji photofinishers for NS0.85 (about 20c) each for 10x15 cm (4"x6"). Very satisfied.

Mo'adim leSimha, Yehuda
 
I have Microdrive - 340s; seem fine.
CF must be type II to be safe - this has been discussed earlier.
Then you haven't been paying attention. CF type II is only allowed to be higher than CF type, there is no enhancement in the electronics besides them being able to hold more electronice but otherwise they behave exactly like CF type I. There are both type I and type II CF that work but you could end up with a non functioning one from the same manufacturer at the same size and type because of production changes that normal users won't notice.

regards
Karl Günter
 

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