about time! flash triggers

Charlie Self said:

B Gavin said:

Here's a link to another model. They aren't Chinese - they're Korean - and personally I'd put a lot more confidence in the build quality: http://secu-line.com/index.html?PNO=124382635210260000

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I hope the product is better than the web site. I could get nothing from it at all. Product names, no descriptions, prices, etc.

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http://www.charlieselfonline.com

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This is the Korean manufacturer and if you click on the photo of the triggers you'll get several pages of information. If you plug the product name into a search engine you should come up with retailers. this unit has been on the market for a yaer or so and is another unit that sells for over $100. But like the saying goes - you mostly get what you pay for.

BG

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A squirrel in the hand is much harder to shoot than two in the bush!!

This has bugged me this entire thread. How does $158 per manual transmitter translate to stratospheric for professional photographic equipment? Haven't we all spent upwards of $6000 for a body and a few lenses? Many of us have spent 10 times that over time on gear that gets the job done professionally.

One shoot that depends on these things pays for them and you can write them off. I just can't see the arguement for unproven triggers other than price.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

Harrythephot said:

And they have all performed flawlessly so far, both as flash triggers and as shutter remotes.
My only issue is with the 3 pin output, which would be better as a mini jack.

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Glad to hear that you're not having any issues!

It would probably be helpful if you specified exactly what camera and what flashes your used these successfully with, and at what distances. Flash triggers coming out of China don't have a uniform performance with all camera and flash brands - Canon being one of the most problamatic.

BG

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A squirrel in the hand is much harder to shoot than two in the bush!!

BigPixel said:

This has bugged me this entire thread. How does $158 per manual transmitter translate to stratospheric for professional photographic equipment? Haven't we all spent upwards of $6000 for a body and a few lenses? Many of us have spent 10 times that over time on gear that gets the job done professionally.

One shoot that depends on these things pays for them and you can write them off. I just can't see the arguement for unproven triggers other than price.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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Actually from what I've seen posted in Europe - thats the price for a Twinlink T2D Transmitter and Receiver set, as in ... one of each. And they apparently perform as advertised. Unfortunately, I haven't found a supplier in North America - otherwise I'd be giving a first-hand report. But I imagine that for a guy that makes his own DIY grids - the price would seem stratospheric BP.

I noted that you're using Cybersyncs. I don't consider those a step down from PW's - they're a different animal with a shorter range and more functionality if coupled with a Cyber Commander. It was the battery life of the Cyber Commander as posted on their site that put me off - a couple hours just wouldn't cut it!! Aside from your little mishap (people have has similar incidents with PW's) - how do you like them?

BG

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A squirrel in the hand is much harder to shoot than two in the bush!!

BigPixel said:

This has bugged me this entire thread.

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Im not saying that you shouldn't spend lots of money for the gadgets.
what do I care?

got it?

good

B Gavin said:

Harrythephot said:

And they have all performed flawlessly so far, both as flash triggers and as shutter remotes.
My only issue is with the 3 pin output, which would be better as a mini jack.

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Glad to hear that you're not having any issues!

It would probably be helpful if you specified exactly what camera and what flashes your used these successfully with, and at what distances. Flash triggers coming out of China don't have a uniform performance with all camera and flash brands - Canon being one of the most problamatic.

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see the difference? Harrythephot actually got the item and so he talks. you give advise about stuff you have no idea about it

big difference

methinks you first get the stuff then you talk.

right?

right

useless

Other than the one time contact problem, I like them fine. I also like the small footprint of the transmitter, about half the size of PW. Cybers certainly come with better mini PC cords! The one's PW supplies are worthless after a few uses. The strobe connection stretches out loosing contact. Had to use rubberbands to make contact. There is such a thing as a PC mini cord conditioner tool for about 4 bucks but I didn't have one.

Of course, I'm speaking about the older CS manual triggers. Mine are not iTTL or CLS enabled. That would be nice though...next purchase, but I guiarantee it won't be from some unknown Chinese factory no matter the price.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

The six inch antenna should give you some incite as to their range and dependability.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

you bought the cybersyncs only because they are cheaper

period

what do you think that we don't know?

we know

LOL

funny that you tell others to don't pay attention to the price

ahahah

wait.. I can't stop laughing now

you are funny, really

BigPixel said:

After being provided PWs at a former job, I purchased CyberSyncs about two years ago for personal use as they represented a better price point then for manual triggers. Paul C. Buff was and is a respected name in the lighting world unlike some unknown Chinese manufacturer.

They do work just as well as PW IF the little button on the bottom of the tramsmitter doesn't compress into the plastic housing. This happened to me, wouldn't make contact with the camera's hot shoe. I fixed it of course but this brings up a valid point in this discussion I think. I never had that problem with PocketWizards.

So, did I save a few bucks with Cybers? Sure. Was the button problem annoying on assignment the day it happened? Yes. You get what you pay for I guess.

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BigPixel / Hawaii

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apparently not. if you read the posts in the link that I gave before you'll find a report saying that they went for 30 ft. and that was it

not saying that they are unable to go further but you talk about stuff you have no idea about and you don't even do your homework even if I gave you the material.

this is a forum and please don't spread BS when you know squat about the stuff you're saying

BigPixel said:

The six inch antenna should give you some incite as to their range and dependability.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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to save some money and here you tell your fellow posters to buy the pocket wizards and don't be cheap?

then you tell not to buy the chinese because they are cheap?

are you for real?

your credibility = zero and counting (down)

BigPixel said:

Other than the one time contact problem, I like them fine. I also like the small footprint of the transmitter, about half the size of PW. Cybers certainly come with better mini PC cords! The one's PW supplies are worthless after a few uses. The strobe connection stretches out loosing contact. Had to use rubberbands to make contact. There is such a thing as a PC mini cord conditioner tool for about 4 bucks but I didn't have one.

Of course, I'm speaking about the older CS manual triggers. Mine are not iTTL or CLS enabled. That would be nice though...next purchase, but I guiarantee it won't be from some unknown Chinese factory no matter the price.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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6 inch antennas, 30 foot range??? What a bargain! Looks like I nailed it pretty well. And by the way, I wasn't addressing you. Please keep your snide little comments to yourself. Only makes you look pathetic.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

again I'm not saying that they can only go up to that distance , I'm saying that you talk about stuff you have no idea about

and again you tell others to spend when you bought cheap stuff

and you still talk about the expensive flash triggers and that their price is right?

you?

BigPixel said:

6 inch antennas, 30 foot range??? What a bargain! Looks like I nailed it pretty well. And by the way, keep your snide little comments to yourself. Only makes you look pathetic.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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I can read dood and interpret what I read. Early reports are weak. No legitimate testing, only supporters like you claiming bargain of the Century based on...what exactly? Price?

btw, Alien Bees, Paul C Buff are respected manufacturers in the photographic community. CyberSync triggers aren't cheap goods, just less expensive than PW.

Give it up. You're supporting an unknown product as if you had something vested in it. What exactly do you know about these cheapie Chinese triggers other than price? I can assure you, through experience over the past 18 months, that CyberSyncs work flawlessly and at a range in excess of 200 feet. Haven't tried them further out as I don't need to shoot that way.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

this is the real value at the store for a set (transmitter and receiver), non TTL triggers

pocket wizard plus II : the best , 100 USD

rf602 : good distance, no sync limitation , 28.99 USD -real current price-

calumet 4ch. kit : decent, sync limitation , short distance : 15 USD

cybersync : good distance, no sync limitation 35 USD

skyport : good distance, no sync limitation, Internal Li-Ion battery (no AAA) 30 USD

microsync : decent distance , sync limitation : 19.99 USD

here we go, NOW we're talking

BigPixel said:

Other than the one time contact problem, I like them fine. I also like the small footprint of the transmitter, about half the size of PW. Cybers certainly come with better mini PC cords! The one's PW supplies are worthless after a few uses. The strobe connection stretches out loosing contact. Had to use rubberbands to make contact. There is such a thing as a PC mini cord conditioner tool for about 4 bucks but I didn't have one.

Of course, I'm speaking about the older CS manual triggers. Mine are not iTTL or CLS enabled. That would be nice though...next purchase, but I guiarantee it won't be from some unknown Chinese factory no matter the price.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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Never had any experience with the PocketWizard PC cords but I've heard lots of people curse those connections in general!

Just for the record - I'm using Metz flashes and they all connect with non-PC interfaces. A specialized plug for the Metz 45's and sub-miniphone for the 40 MZ series. From what I see on the AlienBees site - those same cables could be used for CyberSyncs - the 1/8 Mono Plug interface is identical.

I guess everyone has their own reasons for buying the equipment they did - in my case I was dealing with aerospace contracts and I couldn't take the risk of having to redo a shoot or violating airport regulations concerning RF signals. So I simply opted for whatever was most bulletproof and approved at the time. Under those circumstances - if anything went amiss - it was also easy to asume it wasn't the equipment and quickly correct what I was doing wrong.

Times sure have changed - the digital age and lower prices seem to be introduced a lot of 'try it and if it doesn't work out - just do it again, and again and again' photographers.

An interesting trend I'm seeing is that more and photographers are stating that they prefer to skip the TTL stuff and work completely manually - and only really use the Nikon CLS to manage groups and change output levels remotely. That type of set-up would be much easier to impliment that a full TTL system so maybe we'll see a product shift in that direction

BG

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A squirrel in the hand is much harder to shoot than two in the bush!!

no need to tell about the cybersyncs, I know that they are good

but the PW are the best

why didn't you buy the best?

because you are cheap, that's why. Which is fine but don't tell others to do what you DID NOT

Hypocrisy is your town?

do you live there?

uh?

BigPixel said:

I can read dood and interpret what I read. Early reports are weak. No legitimate testing, only supporters like you claiming bargain of the Century based on...what exactly? Price?

btw, Alien Bees, Paul C Buff are respected manufacturers in the photographic community. CyberSync triggers aren't cheap goods, just less expensive than PW.

Give it up. You're supporting an unknown product as if you had something vested in it. What exactly do you know about these cheapie Chinese triggers other than price? I can assure you, through experience over the past 18 months, that CyberSyncs work flawlessly and at a range in excess of 200 feet. Haven't tried them further out as I don't need to shoot that way.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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You are one sick puppy. I did buy the best value for a manual trigger from a respectable source at the time I purchased, CyberSync.

I'm happy to place you on my permanent ignor list. You're an irrational and unnecessarily argumentative man.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

Charlie Self said:

B Gavin said:

Here's a link to another model. They aren't Chinese - they're Korean - and personally I'd put a lot more confidence in the build quality: http://secu-line.com/index.html?PNO=124382635210260000

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I hope the product is better than the web site. I could get nothing from it at all. Product names, no descriptions, prices, etc.

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Charlie Self



http://www.charlieselfonline.com

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If you still can't figure out that web-site - the specs for that product already been cut and pasted from the site and can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157621007353246/

BG
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A squirrel in the hand is much harder to shoot than two in the bush!!

you bought the cheaper stuff because it was cheaper

LOL

BigPixel said:

You are one sick puppy. I did buy the best value for a manual trigger from a respectable source at the time I purchased, CyberSync.

I'm happy to place you on my permanent ignor list. You're an irrational and unnecessarily argumentative man.
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BigPixel / Hawaii

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