What a blatant lie?

I've been using a Stylus 870 for a couple years now, and have yet
to see a print turn orange. Some are framed under glass, some sit
in a folder on the printer stand until I store or frame them - not
protected at all.

As for the ad, surely you must understand that is just the
Marketing folks working their magic. I'm sure you can name ads for
other products that inflate claims to make it sound like more than
it is.

Mark
That's amazing! Epson fans are STILL denying that the Orange Shift exists! Even better, they're trying to spread the non-existent Orange Shift to OTHER brand printers! Oh my. Maybe things HAVEN'T changed after all.
 
Putting aside the legal and ethical issues relating to violating
the duty of loyalty to his employer, his perception of the quality
difference was undoubtedly correct. Can't fault him for that.
There's not THAT much difference in the photo quality output and a lot of people would be (and are) quite happy with an HP. I was for a long time. If it weren't for the sticky prints problem, I wouldn't have even looked any further. Don't get me wrong, I like my Epson printers but I've shown people identical prints from both printers (including Epson reps) and they couldn't easily tell them apart. As for TZZDC's objectiveness, he has demonstrated to me that he is quite biased so there's a good chance he didn't show comparable prints to those people. If I were limited to ONE printer, it would be an HP. Fortunately, that's not the case right now. :-)
 
You're a crack up. Just so I get this right: Lunacy in opposition
to Epson is laudable. Well thought out and accurate analysis
favoring Epson indicates the spewing of a "die hard Epson fan".

The post you're encouraging is lunacy on a couple of levels.
Factually it's a bust. First he isn't reproducing enough of the ad
for anyone to conclude if the copy is false or unsubstantiated.
From my experience with advertisers and advertising agencies I
think the odds on that are about zero. In this regard, if the ad
says what several people think it does -- that Epson printers are
the only ones that support PIM -- then it's accurate.
I simply said that making a statement AGAINST Epson would usually result in someone being verbally tarred and feathered and here you are getting the tar ready. :-)

I never said that I encouraged anything, Mr. Cooper. I merely made an observation which still seems to hold true.
 
Terry,
He said he saw it (output from 7350) and he liked it. Just that. He
did not qualify anything. I think TDDZC is at least giving the new
HP a fair chance before commenting on it.
We'll see. Stay tuned. ;-)
But I can tell you, I am saying this from the experience of the
profiler in our team, he HATED Epson 2000P, it gave him sleepless
nights, and he couldn't get it right at all. No matter what he did
to it it came out green, Green, GREEN! He almost turned green and
died there and then. But Epson 1270 he loved. He didn't have the
brand phobia, but he certainly had the that particular printer
phobia. And it's pitiful for me to watched him like that.

I said before when the inks ran out, our project manager running
the side-by-side tests said to him "Okay, I think we will not
continue to test 2000P, it's slow and is holding us up." You would
not imagine how relieved he was. He almost plant and
mouth-to-mouth kiss to our (male) project manager!

So people are scarred by some printer models. The less informed,
especially when they encountered TWO such problems, will most
likely be confirmed to pan the WHOLE range of printers coming from
that factory/brand. That, I believe, was the case for TDDZC.

Take one of my friends, which I recommended the Canon, for
instance. Granted she bought the cheapest range for her occiasional
printing. Problem is that that printer didn't seem to be meant
for occasional printing. The cart actually dried up merely two
weeks of inactivity. I asked her to give it another chance and buy
the new carts. It did work fine for a while. Then again two weeks
of inactivity, inks dried up again! This time, it seemed the
nozzles also appeared clogged. She gave up. I felt sorry for her
and guilty that I recommended that one to her, because it fitted
her budget.

Do you think she will be considering another Canon? Very likely no,
not for a very long, long time.

So it is with HP printers. Do you see what I mean?

BTW, What (or who) is the 'dark side'?

--
Fotografer
Yeah, I can understand but I just felt that his response was irrational because he hadn't done much (if any) research and, if you read the thread, MANY Photosmart owners testified to the fact that they hadn't seen anything like that happen with their printers but he wouldn't acknowledge their experiences. He wouldn't even try another printer. Maybe there was a bad lot. Maybe there some other problem. To condemn a whole product line over the performance of TWO units suggests an unreasonable person. even if I have a problem with a certain product, I can believe that it MAY have been an isolated incident. You can rest assured that if someone did the same thing about an Epson printer, he'd be all over them and blaming THEM for the Epson problems and this HAS happened.
 
I only see that he says he has never gotten the orange shift. I don't see where he says it doesn't exist. It looks like the epson haters are STILL trying to read things into posts that are not there.

By the way, I don't own an epson. I just know how to read posts.
I've been using a Stylus 870 for a couple years now, and have yet
to see a print turn orange. Some are framed under glass, some sit
in a folder on the printer stand until I store or frame them - not
protected at all.

As for the ad, surely you must understand that is just the
Marketing folks working their magic. I'm sure you can name ads for
other products that inflate claims to make it sound like more than
it is.

Mark
That's amazing! Epson fans are STILL denying that the Orange Shift
exists! Even better, they're trying to spread the non-existent
Orange Shift to OTHER brand printers! Oh my. Maybe things HAVEN'T
changed after all.
 
It is also true that the orange shift has ben gotten by all 3 brands under certain conditions. They just were happening to the epson's more.

I have a canon and an HP.
By the way, I don't own an epson. I just know how to read posts.
I've been using a Stylus 870 for a couple years now, and have yet
to see a print turn orange. Some are framed under glass, some sit
in a folder on the printer stand until I store or frame them - not
protected at all.

As for the ad, surely you must understand that is just the
Marketing folks working their magic. I'm sure you can name ads for
other products that inflate claims to make it sound like more than
it is.

Mark
That's amazing! Epson fans are STILL denying that the Orange Shift
exists! Even better, they're trying to spread the non-existent
Orange Shift to OTHER brand printers! Oh my. Maybe things HAVEN'T
changed after all.
 
It is also true that the orange shift has ben gotten by all 3
brands under certain conditions. They just were happening to the
epson's more.

I have a canon and an HP.
The difference was that it happened to the Epson prints WITHOUT trying to make it happen. It happened with the Canon prints during torture testing. I'm not aware of it happening to the HP prints. If anything, they change color towards the magenta but not as easily as some are led to believe. I have some of my Epson prints at work and they're kind of a greenish yellow... all but ONE. I wish I knew what the difference was with that one print.
 
I only see that he says he has never gotten the orange shift. I
don't see where he says it doesn't exist. It looks like the epson
haters are STILL trying to read things into posts that are not
there.
Oh, they usually start agreeing with each other that they've never seen it and pretty soon it evolves to it doesn't exist.
By the way, I don't own an epson. I just know how to read posts.
I do own THREE Epsons and an HP and have owned three Canons. I do have a Samsung ML 1210 and it hasn't exhibited ANY color shifting at all. ;-)
 
I've been using a Stylus 870 for a couple years now, and have yet
to see a print turn orange. Some are framed under glass, some sit
in a folder on the printer stand until I store or frame them - not
protected at all.

As for the ad, surely you must understand that is just the
Marketing folks working their magic. I'm sure you can name ads for
other products that inflate claims to make it sound like more than
it is.

Mark
That's amazing! Epson fans are STILL denying that the Orange Shift
exists!
What's amazing is that you're calling me a liar! All I said is that I have seen no orange shift in any of my printing. As I understand it, and from what I've read here and elsewhere, is that it varies greatly with the environment. Clearly, the environment my prints are in does not contribute to the orange shifting.
Even better, they're trying to spread the non-existent
Orange Shift to OTHER brand printers! Oh my. Maybe things HAVEN'T
changed after all.
Don't know what you're talking about. All I said is that Epson is not the only manufacturer that inflates claims for their products. How you got that I said there is orange shift on other printers is beyond me. You anti-Epson fanatics sure do go to great lengths.

Mark
 

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