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Raist3d
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This is one thing I have tried to be very conscious about.. when I post a US store like "You can get this at Best Buy (US)" I make sure I include the "US."
I know what you mean.
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Raist3d
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As far as I understand, burning an American flag has upheld in court as constitutional. Personally I would not burn the American flag, but I do think that if we have to resort to censorship in the name of nationalism, then yes, I think Freedom Of Speech(TM) starts to end.
The fact someone burns a flag should be a topic of discussion and debate, the why's, etc. not of censorship.
And no, I don't see myself burning a flag (any).
- Raist
First, I agree with those that say this post isn't appropriate for this forum (although the original post that started it all is, most of the posts that have followed aren't). I also agree that burning a flag should be a freedom but for an american to do it is a stab in the back to all of the armed forces that fight all over the world every day to protect it (including our allies-I work for NATO so I am familiar with our ties to other nations). That was my only point. My post didn't apply to non-americans and I should have added that so I'm sorry if I offended anyone. --- Ron
Humm.... reading your post I'm wondering what makes you write such statements toward the Americans in such generality in reaction to a single post? Why didn't you ignore the original post if it bothered you so much? You have a problem my friend to react in such a strong way. What is it? You certainly don't speak in the name of all Europeans, why react in such a way as to critizise the all US national "thing" as you called it?
Oh BTW I am European myself. I am not a US citizen. So back off, don't make Europeans look like fools.
Oh BTW I am European myself. I am not a US citizen. So back off, don't make Europeans look like fools.
I think some of the Non-US comments have been quite interesting. It has certainly made me more aware of exactly how we are viewed by our planetary community. I love the fact that this forum is international, and as a US citizen, I am sorry if I have been arrogant, ignorant or insular in any way! Of course, I hope I haven't been, but if I have, I will try to be more aware and conscious. I only speak for myself, so fellow US citizens, please don't jump to defend yourselves! : )
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Raist3d
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Leezah,
You are an excellent example of what we, US citizens, should strive to be more like!
- Raist
US Guys,
what feelings do you expect from me, Russian, by looking at your flag? or what feelings do you expect from my friend from Yougoslavia whom you bombed couple of years ago with this same flag? or from his friend from Palestina, or her friends who now live in Iraq?
They all here, they all real, so what do you expect? Sorrow? Grief?
At the same time we all perfectly well know what it is to loose relatives and friends! and know the importance of memory and respect to them!
So please, next time, if you decide to mourn and brodcast it for the whole world, think of it, and come up with the symbol which would mean the same for every person on this planet! Otherwise please wave your flag in the USA.
regards,
Dmitry
what feelings do you expect from me, Russian, by looking at your flag? or what feelings do you expect from my friend from Yougoslavia whom you bombed couple of years ago with this same flag? or from his friend from Palestina, or her friends who now live in Iraq?
They all here, they all real, so what do you expect? Sorrow? Grief?
At the same time we all perfectly well know what it is to loose relatives and friends! and know the importance of memory and respect to them!
So please, next time, if you decide to mourn and brodcast it for the whole world, think of it, and come up with the symbol which would mean the same for every person on this planet! Otherwise please wave your flag in the USA.
regards,
Dmitry
Dmitry, thats a perfectly valid point. I guess since Russia lost some 10% of its population in World War 2, it is used to dealing with tragedy.
Like one expert recently stated, Bush will never defeat terrorism, because to defeat terrorism is to remove all causes for grievance. Its a bloody cycle that will go on and on until someone with the will, the justice and the power does something about it.
I still can't help but think of the kids who died whilst typing this.
But hey...this is a photographic forum! I'll be out at the weekend using up my memory cards and batteries, can't wait.
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Like one expert recently stated, Bush will never defeat terrorism, because to defeat terrorism is to remove all causes for grievance. Its a bloody cycle that will go on and on until someone with the will, the justice and the power does something about it.
I still can't help but think of the kids who died whilst typing this.
But hey...this is a photographic forum! I'll be out at the weekend using up my memory cards and batteries, can't wait.
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My G2 collection on pbase:
http://www.pbase.com/natinha/galleries
Ruffian
Senior Member
Q: What have the U.S. military done all over our Asian continent?
A: Spread Agent Orange and raped little teenage girls, besides acting as if they have guaranteed diplomatic immunity.
grabs popcorn and watches as U.S. bombers drop precision-bombs on civilians
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I think, what made me write it, was exatly the reasons I myself gave for writing it.
I think Dave here is formulating these issues rather good, please read him to:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=3372033
Yours,
Anders
http://www.holt.no/digi/
http://www.photosig.com/
I think Dave here is formulating these issues rather good, please read him to:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=3372033
Yours,
Anders
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I prefer to be called an American myself, but whatever suits you.
How about these feelings....here are some figures on financial aid the U.S.A has been pumping into Russia.
Direct bilateral aid $3.96 billion
U.S. 18.3% share of $20 billion in IMF cash loans signed to date $3.66 billion
Export-Import Bank financing $1.80 billion
Overseas Private Investment Corporation $1.97 billion
U.S. Department of Agriculture finance & insurance $0.42 billion
NASA and NASA-related cash payments $0.68 billion
U.S. direct buyout of Russian uranium from Minatom $12.00 billion
Total $24.49 billion
Total in cash to the Russian central government (implemented, pending, and pledged) $16.34 billion
Sooooo, what your saying was that the U.S.A should have sat back and watched the genocide take place in Kosovo?
Iraq??? You got to be kidding me to even bring them up.
The original poster directed the thread towards Americans. Maybe this isn't the best forum to do it in, but I've seen many other posts that had not a single thing to do with photography. By the way, I don't want your sorrow, grief, or pity. I wouldn't except it if you tried.
Like I said, the original post was directed towards America. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have looked.
Just what I'll do.....wave my flag and wave it proud.
Regards,
Sergeant Chris Elkins
US Army
Fort Bragg, NC (Home of the Airborne)
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Ruffian
Senior Member
The following Americans inside USA don't give a damn about 91101:
1] KKK [ Who cares? The USA is messed up on all fronts. ]
2] Black people [ September 11? We live and die on the street, and not a single white man cared about our very existence. It's excellent that the white men finally received the same treatment they have been giving us for decades. ]
If 91101 is a really bad day, wait until you move to the Chicago ghetto.
P.S. To James Knowles: What does the growth of ARPANet/Internet has to do with the whole issue of people not caring about 10119?
American news sources typically do not mention such thorny issues as continued discrimination against coloured people or anything that is not "Americans are involved" or "sensational" or "shocking".
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Ruffian
Senior Member
And your point is? Financial aids are BS any way you look at it, and they mean virtually nothing to the average Russian. Just looking at the statistics make me feel America has done a lot to help Russia financially and nearly nil on everything else.
Thanks a lot for bombing us Chinese people right at the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia with American precision bombs. I hate people like you.
And your point is?
And don't wave it here in Canada, Sir.
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Hmmmmmmm, every single black person I know cares about Sep. 11, though I'm in the military and they may be biased. And they don't sit back like you do and generalize every white person as "not caring about black people's very existence", a very ignorant phrase. If anyone lives and die's in the street, be it any ethnicity, it is there fault and no one elses. Oppurtunity abounds in this day and age, so go cry your river some where else.
I work hard for a living to keep my family out of the "Chicago ghetto", so no thanks, I think I'll pass on that.
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Chris
Damn, pick a country. In one post you claim to be an opressed black man in Chicago, then us Chinese people, and now Canada?? What is it?
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