Why making it so difficult, BH Photo?

It takes a very small amount of fraud to make a large hole in the profitability of any business (except banking it seems)

They have done the math. They know that there are thousands of honest buyers out there but they also know (through painful experience) that there are also a large number of scammers that work in a certain pattern. Thus they choose to leave the that business to others.

Don't blame a business for trying to keep it's costs under control so they can continue to pay for the service and goods they provide at very competitive prices.
All Europeans find the US prices for photo equipment highly competitive (although there may well be warranty issues to consider).

BH Photo is by all accounts a supplier you can really trust; however, for those not visiting NYC and only having business and/or lodging addresses in the US buying from BH Photo is apparently an impossibility. The reason is that they, according to their delivery rules, refuse to ship to international customers at such US addresses.

Considering that, for example, Amazon has no such inhibitions I just wonder why BH Photo has to make dealing with them so difficult in this regard?

Perhaps there are other suppliers of repute that gladly ship to your hotel and the like?
 
B&H's calculated risk regarding their shipping policy must be working for them since they appear to remain a profitable company. Same can be said as well for their long-standing position to not make available their photo equipment as a 3rd party seller through Amazon.
 
I'll defer to Henry, but my guess is this is to protect B&H and the consumer from fraudulent purchases with phished card accounts, which is a greater problem and harder to verify internationally and delivered to an address that is NOT the billinng address.

Anyone who prefers Amazon's policy is free to order through them instead.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/Shipping.jsp

International Customers
We ship to:
Your home address
Any US address
We do not ship to your place of business, hotels, motels, or resorts.
We do not ship to Iran, Sudan, Cuba, Syria, or North Korea.

For shipments to Russia, the maximum order value (including shipping charges) is 5000 Roubles per shipment. For Moscow, Nizhniy Novgorod, Krasnodar, Stavropol, St. Petersburg, and Vladivostok the maximum order value (including shipping charges) is 50,000 Roubles per shipment.

Oversized items that don’t fit Parcel Services standards will be shipped via Air Freight Forwarder via Door-to-Airport or Door-to-Door service, depending on your location. The carrier will call you to inform you of your delivery method.

We reserve the right to block certain products from being shipped outside of the US, based on manufacturer restrictions.
P.O. Boxes can only be delivered to via the US Postal Service.

You can save and edit your shipping and billing address in the My Account section.
 
I have done this so many times with no problems. They will not send to an international buyers place of business in their HOME country (which is not in the US) because there is no way to verify that the buyer has received the order. In the US, UPS will record the name and signature of the recipient and there is proof of delivery.
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Michael
http://www.pbase.com/kingfisher
 
BH Photo is by all accounts a supplier you can really trust; however, for those not visiting NYC and only having business and/or lodging addresses in the US buying from BH Photo is apparently an impossibility. The reason is that they, according to their delivery rules, refuse to ship to international customers at such US addresses.
There's some confusion here. Our web page for internat'l customers asks for a bill-to (usually home) address and if different, a ship-to address. There's a note there saying, "Note: You can only select a different shipping address when shipping to the USA."

In fact for non-US customers we will ship to your home or your job (if it is in the same country as your home) or a verifiable US address provided we have the complete address and a land-line phone number. Some ship options are not available on our site yet for security reasons, but are available if you phone or fax or e-mail an order.
Do they not ship to a residential US address, ie; family member or friend?
We do.
I know a few retailers refuse to send items to a hotel
We'll do that too, but not from our web site and there are restrictions, for your protection and ours.
I had a similar situation some time ago. I contacted them with a view to purchasing a camera and shipping it to the UK, using reputable credit card etc. The very favourable exchange reate then made it cost effective. In reply I got very short shrift from some in their store saying that they would not do it because from their experience sales to the UK in this method had been subject to fraud.
We used to have a restriction on orders to the UK for Visa & MasterCard because UK banks were unwilling to cooperate with verification procedures designed to deter credit card fraud and identity theft. That restriction has since been lifted.
For better or for worse, B&H implements such restrictive shipping policies to minimize fraudulent transactions. I completely sympathize with our British and European friends across the Atlantic. Personally, I feel it's fairly idiotic to impugn the integrity of the vast majority of legitimate international customers because of a few bad apples in the past.
Respectfully, we do no such thing, anymore than airport security queues and shoe inspections impugn your integrity when you're traveling by air.
Here we go again bashing B&H. I think they are astute business people and no doubt would ship internationally if it was profitable.
Thank you. Hopefully we have astute business people here and we do ship internationally because it is profitable.
But from B&H's point of view, if something in the pattern of how the order was made, or where it was being delivered, or using a different delivery address than the billing address, etc., trips one of their "red flags", then they're being prudent to check things out before shipping, or even refusing to make that kind of transaction
Bear in mind the merchant banks which allow us to accept credit card payments require we show a modicum of prudence. Too many fraudulent transactions and too many chargebacks mean higher transaction rates for us and/or a limitation on our ability to accept Visa or MasterCard in general.
It takes serious cajones to order on a stolen number and then have it shipped to the actual owner of that credit card. They'd have to stake out that person's house and wait for the shipment and then steal it off of your porch or be there and pose as if they were you!
That's why we're particularly careful with next-day rush orders. For those, the delivery date is certain. How much effort would it take for some pirate to show up, rake your leaves for a couple of hours and scram 3 minutes after the UPS truck is over the hill and out of sight?
I just hoped that BH's Henry Posener, who has figured on DPR's forums many
times, would see this post and give an answer "from the horse's mouth".
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. :-)
I'll defer to Henry, but my guess is this is to protect B&H and the consumer from fraudulent purchases with phished card accounts, which is a greater problem and harder to verify internationally and delivered to an address that is NOT the billinng address.
THANK YOU!
I have done this so many times with no problems. They will not send to an international buyers place of business in their HOME country (which is not in the US) because there is no way to verify that the buyer has received the order.
For non-US customers, we will ship to your home or your job if it is in the same country as your home

BTW, we've recently begun implementing a VAT/Duty calculator. It covers many EU countries and many products and is being expanded daily. It allows you to pre-pay these import fees and should expedite your order through customs.

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Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
 
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It takes serious cajones to order on a stolen number and then have it shipped to the actual owner of that credit card. They'd have to stake out that person's house and wait for the shipment and then steal it off of your porch or be there and pose as if they were you!
henryp wrote:

That's why we're particularly careful with next-day rush orders. For those, the delivery date is certain. How much effort would it take for some pirate to show up, rake your leaves for a couple of hours and scram 3 minutes after the UPS truck is over the hill and out of sight?
Here's a quick relevant story related to above comment.

I live in Canada. In summer of 2008 I ordered a mid priced lens form B&H, and had it shipped to my son's residential address in a New England state. His address is registered on my credit card and B&H does this regularly with no trouble.

On the estimated day of delivery my family and grand children went to the beach. I stayed behind because I just couldn't wait to get my hands of the lens. Sitting on the fence on his property line I eventually spy the UPS truck coming, and stroll to meet the driver as he stops. "Expect you need some ID I said". "NO," he said, "I need you to you be over 18 and sign this form", proffering me an electronic tablet to sign.

He did not leave the vehicle and was on he way within 30 seconds. The house appeared unoccupied, and an out of country vehicle was in the lane way.

Think of the repercussions if I had been an impostor. I am sure UPS and B&H would insist I had received the package.

Probably we are fortunate that most people are still honest.

Roy Sletcher
 
That's why we're particularly careful with next-day rush orders. For those, the delivery date is certain. How much effort would it take for some pirate to show up, rake your leaves for a couple of hours and scram 3 minutes after the UPS truck is over the hill and out of sight?
I know somebody this happened to. The culprit was an employee of a travel agent. Stole their card details and knew when they would be away. Ordered lots of stuff for next day delivery and then sat on their deck-chair, outside their front door waiting for delivery.
 
If you have a friend in the States you can have it shipped to them, say New Jersey. If it is New Jersey, you do not have to pay sales tax.

Once, I went to BH with a friend who lives in New Jersey. I paid for it in person, but I asked that it be delivered to my friend in New Jersey. They verified that it was indeed his home and they shipped it to him. It was cheaper that way. Few days later, my friend gave me the package.

I did save some money but in the end, I just bought it from them straight. I'm from New York and the sales tax will go to NY so I don't mind.
 
I had a failed attempt of someone trying to yank £2,000 off my credit card account just weeks ago and had to go through the hassle of getting a new card issued, a minor hassle compared to what it would have been like if that someone's attempt had been successful. If all retailers were to adopt a policy like B&H's then credit card fraud would be less likely to succeed. And I actually think (but I'm not sure) that the retailer might have a liability if they ship to addresses other than the billing address so I really fail to understand why one should get upset by this policy.
 
After my wife's purse & wallet were stolen a number of years ago the pirates went into a store where she used to shop and bought a number of items. They applied for a new "instant credit" account using her ID info whereupon the too-helpful store sales person said, "Why Mrs Posner, you have an existing dormant account here I could awaken with lots more credit than a new instant account would have."

Gave the pirates the opportunity to buy twice as much. No effort was made to determine if Mrs Pirate and Mrs Posner were the same. At the time, we were refinancing and this was a severe problem. A year ago, renewing the lease on a car, it popped up out of the blue. We will never be entirely rid of this.

Retailer efforts to deter credit card fraud and identity theft are an inconvenience, no doubt, but nothing like the inconvenience of having this attached to one's name & credit history for eternity.

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Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
 
Maybe my recent similar experience & deductions afterwards might be helpful...

I had a similar experience with B&H last week. I ordered through their site a backup 5D Mark II body for my daughter who lives in NC. The order, on my card in NJ was accepted and etc. Body in stock. Three days later I received, without explanation, a cancellation on the order.

Scrambling for the second body she need for a job in a few days, I called a lot of places. Similar experience over the phone. Tried a few more places. Finally one dealer explained to me (why the other didn't I'll never know.) that his company's policy (like most, he said) was that they accept credit cards only for shipments to the address of the card holder. He told me to call my bank and have them authorize a shipment to a different address, otherwise it will never be sent. (BTW: getting such an authorization takes much more than a phone call and is not something that weill happen in a few days.)

The outcome of this tale: BestBuy had one in Alabama and was willing to ship it out for next day delivery, putting in on my BestBuy account. (They wouldn't tale a creditcard for these purposes either.) Weird.

Helpful?
 
Thanks, Henry, for getting into this discussion that seems to arouse many bad experiences even if occasionally somewhat removed from the subject of the original post!

Returning to my starting post, I would conclude:

I have a home address in Sweden and credit cards issued in Sweden, registered to that home address. When I visit AZ in April, I would like to buy a new "L" lens to benefit from the much lower US prices (about 40% less).

Under the basic conditions set out, using my credit card for payment, BH Photo will apparently not ship to me in the US unless I can produce a delivery address that is NOT to a business or a hotel (eqv.), however, "c/o" a private home address is acceptable. As I obviously have no friends in AZ that can help me out in this regard, it is not a feasible way for me.

I fully respect BH Photo's concerns, but would, as stated, point out that Amazon will ship to a US hotel even if you reside in another country. At least they did so in Dec. 2007!

Thanks to all posters!
Johan
 
Harry did not say they would not deliver to a business address. I have done this at least 6 times, and simply had to provide a name to take delivery as well as the phone number of my contact. I have never had a problem.
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Michael
http://www.pbase.com/kingfisher
 
I had a similar experience with B&H last week. I ordered through their site a backup 5D Mark II body for my daughter who lives in NC. The order, on my card in NJ was accepted and etc. Body in stock. Three days later I received, without explanation, a cancellation on the order.
I cannot find this order but if you care to email order details to me I'll be happy to provide any explanation I can.
Finally one dealer explained to me (why the other didn't I'll never know.) that his company's policy (like most, he said) was that they accept credit cards only for shipments to the address of the card holder.
Having different bill-to and ship-to addresses is no impediment as long as we can verify the legitimacy of the bill-to for your protection and ours. We do not usually require the bill-to be registered with the bank which issued your credit card.

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Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
 
I have a home address in Sweden and credit cards issued in Sweden, registered to that home address. When I visit AZ in April, I would like to buy a new "L" lens to benefit from the much lower US prices (about 40% less).

Under the basic conditions set out, using my credit card for payment, BH Photo will apparently not ship to me in the US
I do not understand how I can say repeatedly WE WILL and yet discover you've reached this inaccurate conclusion.

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Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
 
Thanks HenryP--

As I needed the canera desperately, following through would this would be a mute point... although I would rather have gotten it from B&H. Will forward it B&H being closed on a Sat didn't help the mix, but I understand the circumstances. I need the camera Mon, Tues the latest. Anyway, will email the order #. Thanks for the follow through.
I had a similar experience with B&H last week. I ordered through their site a backup 5D Mark II body for my daughter who lives in NC. The order, on my card in NJ was accepted and etc. Body in stock. Three days later I received, without explanation, a cancellation on the order.
I cannot find this order but if you care to email order details to me I'll be happy to provide any explanation I can.
Finally one dealer explained to me (why the other didn't I'll never know.) that his company's policy (like most, he said) was that they accept credit cards only for shipments to the address of the card holder.
Having different bill-to and ship-to addresses is no impediment as long as we can verify the legitimacy of the bill-to for your protection and ours. We do not usually require the bill-to be registered with the bank which issued your credit card.

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Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
 
I have a home address in Sweden and credit cards issued in Sweden, registered to that home address. When I visit AZ in April, I would like to buy a new "L" lens to benefit from the much lower US prices (about 40% less).

Under the basic conditions set out, using my credit card for payment, BH Photo will apparently not ship to me in the US
I do not understand how I can say repeatedly WE WILL and yet discover you've reached this inaccurate conclusion.

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Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
I'm so glad I've failed to fully comprehed the BH shipping rules as well as your explanation! Will try them out next year!
 

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