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Interesting speculation going on. I don't see anything about "about to release." Only an announcement in the next few weeks. When will first delivery be?? Who knows, we will have to wait and see.

While the 11 mpix is intriqueing, it does present a whole new bag of issues.

1) Will the 35mm format users (PJ, Wedding, Sports) really need and/or want the larger file sizes? In my opinion, probably not.

2) Will those who need the the higher resolution (commercial, landscape, maybe portrait) opt for 35mm format over the medium format backs?

3) Will many be willing to upgrade the computer power/memory/disk space necessary to deal with these larger files? After dealing with the Kodak back for a little bit I can attest to the fact that one can't get enough power/memory/disk space when dealing with these files. I think a dual processor 2+ GHZ, 2 gig mem, 100's of mbytes of disk space, will be wanted when dealing with these files.

4) Will it drive current prices down? This is exciting and I think it will have to. The medium format backs are going to become much more affordable. The current DSLR market will become excitingly affordable.

The question is how much is enough. I am sure most will always want to have MORE, but I am not sure that when people sit down and look at it from a realistic standpoint that they will need that much more.

Of course this is all speculation. We will have to see when the expected release date will be, I am guessing next spring at the earliest, and how the other manufacturers respond to it.

Don't get too excited just yet.
 
Yeah, they can't keep production up on 6.3 MP camera with a single CCD and now you think you're actually going to touch a 12 MP with dual CCD's? Probably not before everyone else catches up to them first.

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J. Roberts said:
Any thoughts or reactions from the Nikon crowd, to the stunning
news that Canon is about to release an 11MP DSLR?

J. Roberts
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I presume it still uses a Bayer RGBG colour filter. I'd have to say the best thing about it is the ability to produce better 5 megapixel files by downsizing.

I think it'll be a great step forward for digital imaging as there are still alot of 35mm film guys waiting on the sidelines for canon/nikon to make a full frame sensor camera.

I hope Nikon doesn't spend too much R&D developing a full frame camera though as there are lots of other things that need fixing first! Perhaps the best thing about it is it will also mean a return to a full sized viewfinder.
  • Andrew
 
Photokina marks the 15-year anniversary of EOS as a brand. Canon is announcing two new EOS models at the show - the world's highest resolution Pro-camera, the EOS 1Ds and the EOS 300V, which is predicted to become the world’s number 1 selling SLR camera.

The EOS-1Ds features the first ever full frame 35mm CMOS sensor with 11.1 million effective pixels. The EOS-1Ds capture astounding detail & colour, almost doubling the resolution ordinarily considered state of the art for a digital SLR camera in the world today.*

Also new this year are three digital still cameras, all featuring the new high performance DIGital Imaging Core (DIGIC) processor. One of the trio, the Digital IXUS v?, is claiming the position as the world’s smallest 3.2 Megapixel digital camera with optical zoom and LCD monitor.*

Along with the new additions to the camera line up, Canon is announcing Canon Imaging Gateway (CIG), a digital imaging web site, which Canon Europe sees as the vital missing link in Customer Relationship Management (CRM) by creating a one-on-one communication channel to consumer users.

The online solution will allow users to download updates for their digital cameras, in much the same way that mobile phone users download personalised ring-tones. CIG also offers other services online, such as photo albums, photo-printing.

http://www.digitalfocus.net/sections/views/1DsRumour/1DsRelease.htm
 
Well, Nikon likely won't be too far behind:

http://www.dpreview.com/misc/rdr.asp?url=http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/digital/ccd/kai11000.pdf

There was some speculation that Canon might get this puppy, however since the Canon apparently has a CMOS sensor this part will likely be showing up in an 11MP F-Mount camera. Weather it is a Nikon D2X or a Kodak DCS 811 is immaterial, but from the specs of this sensor seem to match up well with the Canon - just that it uses an ILT CCD rather than a CMOS chip.

Ideally, I'd love to see the above combonation:

-Nikon release a D2 offering 6MP w/8fps with better than D1H noise profile and a 256+ MB buffer ( 30 images), and a new updated chassis with new AF system, etc. Either select a full frame sensor or stay with 1.5FLM (if the later introduce dedicated lenses) but decide at this point ;)

-Kodak to release a DCS 811 (FF 11MP 3fps, etc.) with the above sensor and developed in partnership between them and Nikon (ie not just Nikon selling Kodak bodies as before). Avoid the redundancy that the D1X and 760 had, and take advantage of Kodak's experience in the studio environment.

But that's just me ;)
J. Roberts said:
Any thoughts or reactions from the Nikon crowd, to the stunning
news that Canon is about to release an 11MP DSLR?

J. Roberts
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Pete Perry said:
Yeah, they can't keep production up on 6.3 MP camera with a single
CCD and now you think you're actually going to touch a 12 MP with
dual CCD's? Probably not before everyone else catches up to them
first.

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Pete, a Canon rep by the name of Chuck Westfall has confirmed the truth of this rumor.

J. Roiberts
 
I'm not sure file size is that much of an issue - at least for people who have been scanning film. I have been scanning 60MB slides (thousands of them) for 4 years with an LS2000. Fortunately we now have inexpensive writable DVD drives. Anyone that can afford this camera can afford a decent PC and lots of compact flash or microdrives.
Tom Maxwell said:
Interesting speculation going on. I don't see anything about
"about to release." Only an announcement in the next few weeks.
When will first delivery be?? Who knows, we will have to wait and
see.

While the 11 mpix is intriqueing, it does present a whole new bag
of issues.

1) Will the 35mm format users (PJ, Wedding, Sports) really need
and/or want the larger file sizes? In my opinion, probably not.

2) Will those who need the the higher resolution (commercial,
landscape, maybe portrait) opt for 35mm format over the medium
format backs?

3) Will many be willing to upgrade the computer power/memory/disk
space necessary to deal with these larger files? After dealing
with the Kodak back for a little bit I can attest to the fact that
one can't get enough power/memory/disk space when dealing with
these files. I think a dual processor 2+ GHZ, 2 gig mem, 100's of
mbytes of disk space, will be wanted when dealing with these files.

4) Will it drive current prices down? This is exciting and I think
it will have to. The medium format backs are going to become much
more affordable. The current DSLR market will become excitingly
affordable.

The question is how much is enough. I am sure most will always
want to have MORE, but I am not sure that when people sit down and
look at it from a realistic standpoint that they will need that
much more.

Of course this is all speculation. We will have to see when the
expected release date will be, I am guessing next spring at the
earliest, and how the other manufacturers respond to it.

Don't get too excited just yet.
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Rich H
 
J. Roberts said:
Any thoughts or reactions from the Nikon crowd, to the stunning
news that Canon is about to release an 11MP DSLR?

J. Roberts
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I can't remember the last time I seen so much excitement on any forum as I did the past 24 hours on the Canon SLR forum. I think the last time I saw anything close to that was the announcement of the D1. When the the D30 came out that was also very exciting, but now we are talking about a 11MP FULL FRAME CMOS. AND there is still a possibility of another DSLR priced around $1000. No not the 300V, that is a film SLR, but there is a possibility of a third camera which was confused as the 300V.

Any way, this is what I've been waiting for, either Nikon or Canon to come out with a FF sensor. I've long since invested in both lenses. I will of course with hold final judgement until Phil gets his hands on one and gives it the once over. I doubt if I'll be able to get my hands on one before that.
I may just sell my D1X and keep my D1H and begin making the transition to Canon.

What can I say, I hope Canon can deliver the quality too.

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J. Roberts, it isn't that I don't believe the camera is real... It is the fact that trying to get your hands on a D60 proves nearly impossible! I like the D60 for different reasons then I like my D100 but Canon has really blown it with the production and now they're confusing things by naming the new camera the same as their former high end camera?

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J. Roberts said:
Pete Perry said:
Yeah, they can't keep production up on 6.3 MP camera with a single
CCD and now you think you're actually going to touch a 12 MP with
dual CCD's? Probably not before everyone else catches up to them
first.

--
Click to expand...
Pete, a Canon rep by the name of Chuck Westfall has confirmed the
truth of this rumor.

J. Roiberts
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Pete Perry said:
J. Roberts, it isn't that I don't believe the camera is real... It
is the fact that trying to get your hands on a D60 proves nearly
impossible! I like the D60 for different reasons then I like my
D100 but Canon has really blown it with the production and now
they're confusing things by naming the new camera the same as their
former high end camera?
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Pete I don't think it's any more confusing then Nikon's D1H and D1X.

I don't think the 1Ds is to replace the 1D. Each will have specialty purposes. There is no way the 1Ds can match the speed of the 1D!
One will be for PJ's, and the S may be intended for studio?

As for the the availability of the D60, I was not aware there was any problems. All the stores in Upstate NY seem to have plenty of D60's and D100's. The S2 is hard to get, but it just came out too.

Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
http://digitalphotonews.ws
 
Birger Petterson said:
Frankly full frame, Canon,Nikon,Sigma,Fuji, or Contax.
I am very fond of 1.5 factor.

Birger
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If you're so fond of the 1.5 crop factor, you can always crop the full frame image down afterwards! And the resulting image would still probably have more resolution than what you are getting now.
 
Ya know what... Rumors and announcements and things of the like are quite fun to hear. New technology is exciting, especially considering how fast things are moving nowadays. With that being said, these are still just 'in the works.' If you start to talk about 'changing over to Canon' because of an unreleased, completely unproven camera system, my advice would be to just wait and see what everyone comes up with. If you have a bunch of Nikon or canon or minolta or whatever lenses and you are pretty happy with them (as I am with my new D100) stick with what you have for now. Give Canon/Nikon/Minolta/Olympus/Fuji/etc time to work things out. And WAIT for firm, solid, true information/or a true product that you can try out/hold in your hand before you make an expensive decision. Not here-say, not 'my rep said this', (because from personal experiences, a goodly amount reps talk out of their behinds). Take the time to study up on the subject, look to see what your needs are, and plan for the future. If the rumor you've been watching is true then great! Things should work out! However, if they aren't true, you need to have something else in mind. As to the 'stunning news' comment, I say: What did you expect, for them to go back down in Megapixel ratings? If they said anything lower then 10mp I would have been very surprised. Intel is rolling out 3.6GHZ Pentium IV's this year, as http://www.tomshardware.com (One of the best testers in the business) already has a few to play with. ;0) It's just technology doing what it does best, getting better, and getting better faster. I apologize if I sound rambly-dambly, it's pretty late here in the Central US time zone and I really should be sleeping. ;0) Thanks for reading and keep taking those photos!
Jim K said:
J. Roberts said:
Any thoughts or reactions from the Nikon crowd, to the stunning
news that Canon is about to release an 11MP DSLR?

J. Roberts
Click to expand...
I can't remember the last time I seen so much excitement on any
forum as I did the past 24 hours on the Canon SLR forum. I think
the last time I saw anything close to that was the announcement of
the D1. When the the D30 came out that was also very exciting, but
now we are talking about a 11MP FULL FRAME CMOS. AND there is still
a possibility of another DSLR priced around $1000. No not the 300V,
that is a film SLR, but there is a possibility of a third camera
which was confused as the 300V.

Any way, this is what I've been waiting for, either Nikon or Canon
to come out with a FF sensor. I've long since invested in both
lenses. I will of course with hold final judgement until Phil gets
his hands on one and gives it the once over. I doubt if I'll be
able to get my hands on one before that.
I may just sell my D1X and keep my D1H and begin making the
transition to Canon.

What can I say, I hope Canon can deliver the quality too.

--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
http://digitalphotonews.ws
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Braaak
Ravenworks
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That was my mistake then because I thought they were calling them by the same name... I didn't realize it was 1Ds and not 1D's!

As for short supply! You can't touch either the D100 or the D60 in New Hampshire, Mass or Rhode Island... I'm being quoted a delay of 3 to 4 months on the D60 and some say the camera is practically non-existant so if you have one consider yourself lucky as most that do consider it better then the 1D. As for the D100 I'm getting quotes of 2 to 4 weeks but I managed have enough preorders placed that one came in for me. The funny thing is the S2 is the easiest to get here... Pretty odd huh?

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Jim K said:
Pete Perry said:
J. Roberts, it isn't that I don't believe the camera is real... It
is the fact that trying to get your hands on a D60 proves nearly
impossible! I like the D60 for different reasons then I like my
D100 but Canon has really blown it with the production and now
they're confusing things by naming the new camera the same as their
former high end camera?
Click to expand...
Pete I don't think it's any more confusing then Nikon's D1H and D1X.
I don't think the 1Ds is to replace the 1D. Each will have
specialty purposes. There is no way the 1Ds can match the speed of
the 1D!
One will be for PJ's, and the S may be intended for studio?

As for the the availability of the D60, I was not aware there was
any problems. All the stores in Upstate NY seem to have plenty of
D60's and D100's. The S2 is hard to get, but it just came out too.

Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
http://digitalphotonews.ws
Click to expand...
 
Jim K said:
AND there is still
a possibility of another DSLR priced around $1000. No not the 300V,
that is a film SLR, but there is a possibility of a third camera
which was confused as the 300V.
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Could someone elaborate (any proof of this rumour ?) on this ? It would seem very suprising to me if any company would now release a DSLR at that price... (this might put a lot of potential D60 buyers off)

Jörg
 
Pete, if you don;t mind buying from Canada, there's plenty of D100/D60s here in Toronto, all in stock.

With regards to the 1Ds, I know of someone who played with the prototype last week, according to him, the output is fairly comparable to the Phas One digital back. File size is not a issue, RAW is around 12MB with highest resolution TIFF around 34MB (I already have a dual 2.4GHz Dell Precision 530 with 15000rpm scsi drives, 2GB RAM ... :-)). It'll be available for sale in November.

Yes, it's for advertising, landscape shooters and never a competitor to the original 1D.

Simon
Pete Perry said:
As for short supply! You can't touch either the D100 or the D60 in
New Hampshire, Mass or Rhode Island... I'm being quoted a delay of
3 to 4 months on the D60 and some say the camera is practically
non-existant so if you have one consider yourself lucky as most
that do consider it better then the 1D. As for the D100 I'm
getting quotes of 2 to 4 weeks but I managed have enough preorders
placed that one came in for me. The funny thing is the S2 is the
easiest to get here... Pretty odd huh?

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http://www.pbase.com/elterrible
Jim K said:
Pete Perry said:
J. Roberts, it isn't that I don't believe the camera is real... It
is the fact that trying to get your hands on a D60 proves nearly
impossible! I like the D60 for different reasons then I like my
D100 but Canon has really blown it with the production and now
they're confusing things by naming the new camera the same as their
former high end camera?
Click to expand...
Pete I don't think it's any more confusing then Nikon's D1H and D1X.
I don't think the 1Ds is to replace the 1D. Each will have
specialty purposes. There is no way the 1Ds can match the speed of
the 1D!
One will be for PJ's, and the S may be intended for studio?

As for the the availability of the D60, I was not aware there was
any problems. All the stores in Upstate NY seem to have plenty of
D60's and D100's. The S2 is hard to get, but it just came out too.

Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
http://digitalphotonews.ws
Click to expand...
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Nikon guy for years. Sad but true ... I'm switching to Canon.
 
Pete Perry said:
That was my mistake then because I thought they were calling them
by the same name... I didn't realize it was 1Ds and not 1D's!

As for short supply! You can't touch either the D100 or the D60 in
New Hampshire, Mass or Rhode Island... I'm being quoted a delay of
3 to 4 months on the D60 and some say the camera is practically
non-existant so if you have one consider yourself lucky as most
that do consider it better then the 1D. As for the D100 I'm
getting quotes of 2 to 4 weeks but I managed have enough preorders
placed that one came in for me. The funny thing is the S2 is the
easiest to get here... Pretty odd huh?
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I'll say that's odd! I will admit that up to about 4 weeks ago it was hard finding D60's and the D100 was still very new and hard to find. I don't doubt that both cameras face some difficulties because of the demand for both. The D60 at lease seems to be getting easier to find, in some areas : )

Regards

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Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
http://digitalphotonews.ws
 
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