5D mk III

I believe the 5DMKII was cleverly positioned in the market as there were a variety of customers to target.

I would say a lot of the people who bought a 5dMKII were already multiple body, 1D crop sports shooters who wanted a FF body to compliment their line up. They avoided the 5D due to dust as they worked in that environment already and had no need for the expensive 1DS body. I'm certainly in that catergory.

Then there are those 'established' photographers (landscape/wedding) who wanted to update/replace/compliment their 5D's - they may have bought more than one body.

Yet another group may have bought it as their one and only FF body as the 1DS was out of reach due to cost.

Last but not least were those after the high quality video function alone - I know several wedding photogs who did so.

Canon had a fair selection to choose from and I'm also guessing that a lot of the people who purchased the 5DMKII were not interested in a hybrid, mythical 3D.

It seems the group who were pro hybrid, FF, 3D are the most vocal against the 5DMKII.

Zoooming

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zoooming said:

"enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others" I believe is what it means.

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You're right, but I meant something less descriptive. ;-) I know the meaning, but wanted some nice English word (mind you, I'm not the native speaker).

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I hear what you say but the sheer number of happy 5DMKII users and the huge backlog of those wanting to be a user some how tells a story.

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Of course, they buy 5D2 because they have nothing else. How many of them would buy EOS-3 digital if available, or EOS-D700 if available?

That reminds me of the old joke that there was a great choice in the paradise already, when God brought Eve before Adam and said: "Select the woman you like the most." ;-)

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Zoooming

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zoooming said:

Them and us - both happy - customer and supplier. Good for business.

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Well I bet the people who can afford contemporary 1D are happy.

Even though I must admit I felt a litte of "schadenfreude" (what's the english translation of this german word anyway?), when Canon let them have some the same AF "quality" with the Mk3 that the non-1D users "enjoy" with every model, unless they shoot easy stuff.

Bad karma somehow seems to work.

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Zoooming

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zoooming said:

And there's a fair crowd out there who are happy with the fact they 'protect' (as you say) the 1D series and will continue to do so.

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Canon marketing department?

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Zoooming

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You mean, like put the great sensor to the inferior-AF-crippled* body again? I wouldn't be surprised.

* 10 years after EOS-3, 5D2 AF was nothing but intentional cripple to protect the 1D line. Canon just tried to pretend that there was no advance in the AF technology for the prosumers class. Period.

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Perhaps 1) Canon simply wanted to save manufacturing costs so it can lower the price of the 5D2....maybe they had some forecast about the 2) recession. And, canon also knew that 3) Sony will come with a fairly low priced 24MP camera. Considering these three factors, I think it was maybe not a bad idea.

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I doubt so. They simply decided to protect 1D at all costs. And still they do.

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and wait if canon made it with the AF of the 1DIV

and the prices of used are going down, pretty fast, on craigslist for example.

already around 2K now, even less.

Since it will obviously be even better still

Kevin

cityphotographer said:

and wait if canon made it with the AF of the 1DIV

and the prices of used are going down, pretty fast, on craigslist for example.

already around 2K now, even less.

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It is always possible to wait for another camera And You can keep on doing that...its for free....but then You will not get a new camera... In the moment You buy..another and better (maybe) is on its way ))

But I would say: If You can get Canon to promise You that they will come up with a 5D MkIII who is made with background in a transfusion of a 5D MkII and the 7D..then wait for that... If not... go for the 5D MkII..its a wonderful camera !

It could be "Marketing department" as some poster suggested or just difficutly in manufacturing a large FF chip. From my experience in Silicon Processing, design and yield improvement it can be very difficult to debug some problems with line yields. My guess is that Canon is suffering from low yiled on this sensor for some reason and that is the hold up for supply.

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gil hadani said:

Should I wait for the Mk III, any speculations / rumors / assessments about features, time to market and price?
Or buy the MK II
How come the price for the Mk II is not dropping substantially?

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for the most part, the 5dmkII is still very much vapourware..why would canon announce a 5dmkIII when they are utterly clueless about shipping the 5dmkII ot retailers? over a year since launch and still not available in the uk..
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Victor Engel said:

Its RKM said:

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A 1Ds "downgrade" to the 5D format - do you really need the portrait handgrip on a studio oriented camera? - might appear sooner and be better value.

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Isn't the 5D II basically a "downgraded" 1DS III?

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Not in my book Victor. I would love the 1Ds features in a conventional sized body.

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It sounds like you're reading "downgraded" and hearing "downsized".

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No, downsized would still have the unnecessary "portrait grip", and downgrading would eliminate it - possible enabling even more, equally welcome, downsizing and downweighting! ;-)

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I enjoy it to the fullest and as it is now, I will not regret it.. maybe if the 5DIII shows early next year I will but I think its still a year or so to go. Besides you can get the 5DII for a real bargain now.