Underwhelming 7D review from Dpreview

Don't you have anything better to do than download the manual for a certain camera and pick pieces out of it to complain about on an internet forum? Maybe you could be taking photos.. you are just sad imo.

And if you don't like the DPReview reviews, don't read them. In fact don't even come to the website.
Tom wrote:
  • Only 19 selectable AF points, not 51
But all 19 are cross-sensors
You are very good at missing the point. Nikon has 32 more
AF points and 50 more spot-metering points. Those points
are the point , and there are no buts about it.
  • Cannot make auto-exposure lock "sticky" (AE-L Hold)
Of course you can

No, of course you can not .

p 303&307 of the D300 PDF, CS f4&f6:

AE/AF lock: Focus and exposure lock while the button is AE/AF lock pressed. [DEFAULT]
AE lock only: Exposure locks while the AE-L/AF-L button is pressed.

AE lock (Reset on release): Exposure locks when the AE-L/AF-L button is pressed, and remains locked until the button is pressed a second time, the shutter is released, or the exposure meters turn off.

AE lock (Hold): Exposure locks when the AE-L/AF-L button is pressed, and remains locked until the button is pressed a second time or the exposure meters turn off.
AF-ON*: Pressing the AE-L/AF-L button initates focus.
  1. AF lock only : Focus locks while the AE-L/AF-L button is pressed.
p 106 of the 7D PDF:

Use AE lock when the area of focus is to be different from the exposure metering area or when you want to take multiple shots at the same exposure setting. Press the * button to lock the exposure, then recompose and take the shot. This is called AE lock. It is effective for backlit subjects.

Focus the subject. Press the shutter button halfway. The exposure setting will be displayed.

Press the * button. (4s) The * icon lights in the viewfinder to indicate that the exposure setting is locked (AE lock). Each time you press the * button, it locks the current auto exposure setting.

Recompose and take the picture. If you want to maintain the AE lock while taking more shots, hold down the * button and press the shutter button to take another shot.

That brings us to a rather important matter, p 253 of the 7D PDF:

With One-Shot AF and evaluative metering, AE lock is applied when focus is achieved

Holy cow! Canon couples AF-L with AE-L, and you can't turn it off! On a Nikon, AF-L is only AF-L. You may add AE-L to the shutter if you want via CS c1 "Shutter-release button AE-L", but it is of course off by default, just as it belongs. Apparently Canon is only able to effect Nikon setting 1 above, and you cannot turn it off or move it. This is just like a P&S, and nearly never what you want.

Here's one more Canon AE-L bug: p 220 of the 7D PDF:
  • AE Lock cannot be used Auto, C-Auto, M, or B modes.
Ick!>

On a Nikon under AE-L, changing the A in A mode or the S in S mode works just like the flexible program mode, while changing the other one is like EC if you have QEC enabled. But in M mode under AE-L, changing either A or S actually changes the ISO under Auto-ISO, since you've locked the exposure and are changing A or S, so ISO has to flex to maintain the lock. It works beautifully. Of course, you can still get EC in Nikon's manual mode--unlike in Canon's. It really is very convenient to have an "ISO-Priority" mode, which we do and you do not. Canon is slowly adopting Nikon's Auto-ISO implementation, and the AF-On button and such, but as you see, they still have a ways to go because they just haven't yet gotten those things right.

When one device implements capabilities X and Y, but a second device implements distinct capabilities A, B, C, D, E, and F, and can also combine A+B to emulate X and D+E to emulate Y, then the second device is clearly superior in flexibility and features. That is just the situation I've just described above with exposure control. The Nikon can do anything the Canon can do with exposure, but the reverse is demonstrably untrue.

These are not equivalent, not at all. It's not a matter of UI. It's a matter of capabilities.
  • No AF assist light separate from popup flash
The D300 AF assist light is of no use.

Wrong. I can see you've never used it, or you'd know better.
As usual, you disparage what you don't have.

There are probably many features which are better on the 7D and do not make the main list. Overall, Canon is giving the D300s some serious competition, and it is cheaper.

I certainly hope it's cheaper! It's a far less capable camera, as I have shown. People who don't understand how important a camera's handling is may jump at it, or those who don't need the D300&c's pro-level features (but many things the Canon lacks even a D3000 does!).

I continue to find it really sad that Phil seems to have been either censored or forgotten . Phil understood handling issues, and talked about them critically but honestly as I demonstrated in the old reviews of his which I quoted. This was very useful to the public. The new reviews do not do that, and so they are unuseful in that regard. If this oversight is a simple mistake, it should be fixed. If it's not a mistake but deliberate, it won't be fixed- and that will tell everyone a whole lot.
 
is the amount of insecurity I see in posts like these. Do you guys ever USE your cameras or just compare features from manuals all day?

Most of the 'cons' are just wrong info or are not cons at all - just a different way of doing things. I guess the standard response to ridiculous posts like these is that Canon managed to make a camera that is faster and has better image quality than anything else out there in its class - these 2 things alone beat any number of nits you are trying to pick. Yes, Canon won this round - get over it and move on! Next year Nikon will follow; we hope....
 
The second worst oversight on the Canon may be that there's no focus confirmation light under continuous autofocus . Um, like, hello ? If you're in release priority, don't you think you'd really like to have the focus confirmation light tell you that focus was achieved? Of course you would.
From the Canon press release (got it from http://www.dcviews.com/press/canon-7d.htm )

"Additional AF improvements include a revised Automatic AF point selection sequence that allows a user to pick any one of the 19 AF points as a starting point for tracking moving subjects in AI Servo mode. (Previous EOS models required the subject to first be acquired by the center focusing point.) If the subject moves away, the camera will continue to track the movement with the remaining points and display the active focusing point in the viewfinder . Also, a time-saving feature is AF Point Switching, which allows photographers to select and register one AF point for horizontal compositions and a second AF point for vertical shooting, ideal for studio and portrait photographers."

Or do you mean something else?

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+1.

I don't ever even find the need to use AE lock in manual mode.

It sounds lot like the issues OP have are just philosophical differences between canon and nikon.

Lots of time it feels like Nikon is microsoft (feature after feature that you might never need) while Canon is Linux (a geek should do everything by hand). But end of the day both can do the same job just in different hands some ***** and some loves it.

As someone who picked canon I like certain simplicity. Less necessity to keep poking at the manual.
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Nikon has a tiny light in the viewfinder that goes on when the target in is focus.
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This is the one feature which Nikon has that Canon users can only drool for. This allows you to define the min. shutter speed that you want for the type of shooting you do. If you're shooting moving subjects, set it higher, for static subjects set it lower. The camera "guarantees" you a min s/s without the user having bother about it (unless light drops too low for the max ISO set). It also ensures that the min. ISO necessary to get the shot is used subject to the min s/s. Eminently usable.
 
Don't you have anything better to do than download the manual for a certain camera and pick pieces out of it to complain about on an internet forum? Maybe you could be taking photos.. you are just sad imo.

And if you don't like the DPReview reviews, don't read them. In fact don't even come to the website.
Based on WHAT did you buy your cam ?

According to your post you don't care for features. And sad to say but not only dpreview makes "soft" reviews most other photo sites have this bad habit too.
 
The Sony forum had a similar list of cons. Funny thing is, not a single one agreed with the cons here. What they did have in common was that they were pretty much made up everything to make their brand's owners feel good.

First of all, Nikon, Sony, Oly all make great cameras. It only makes sense that the latest is going to be the greatest. When Nikon comes out with the next generation camera I'm sure it will beat the 7d, how could it not? When it does, I won't be out there whining and trying to rationalize. Just use the stinking camera and get on with your life.
Can you guess which of those Dpreview bothered to inform the public about? Turns out that Dpreview mentions only one of those under its Cons in its review of the 7D. Try to guess which.
You know why? Because you list isn't a list of cons, it's a combination of pure BS rationalization and user preference. I could pick about any camera in the world and come up with 1000 cons if I didn't care about fairness, reality, or truth.

Enough said on this subject.
 
I'll just pick one for you: 3 shot bracketing. Is that really true? Anyone who shoots a lot of HDR or someone who shoots a lot of high contrast shots that are constantly changing could use that info.

Hey, I'm glad you are happy with your Canon, and it is nice that it does everything you want it to do, but this list would be very helpful to anyone accustomed to Nikon handling who might be looking at that camera. Nice for them to know what they won't be getting for their money. If the list is incorrect they can find out quickly enough by doing what the OP did: download the manual.
 
Peaceful in happy valley, eh?
 
It's amazed me that one would have time to make up such a BS list to slam a camera, here's the real list that would benefit photographers
D300s
  • Only 12M, 7D with 18M shows more details while lower noise
  • Need battery grip to get to 8fps, D300s + MB-D10 = $2058, more money for a lot less
  • Full speed 6fps with 12bit, and crippled down to 2.5 fps with 14bit, huge let down
  • Only 720p @ 24 fps in video compares to 1920 x 1080 (29.97, 25, 23.976 fps), 1280 x 720 (59.94, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (59.94, 50 fps) on the 7D
  • Only a single processor vs dual processor on the 7D
  • Only 1.5X crop mode vs 1.6X crop mode with 18M, more reach and much better cropability with the 7D, it's designed for wild life and sport shooters after all
  • Only 0.94x vs 1.0X magnification on the 7D
  • Only 17 available info vs 22 on the 7D
  • No coating for Anti-reflection and Solid Structure on LCD screen
  • Live view is a joke vs 7D
• Live TTL display of scene from CMOS image sensor
• 100% frame coverage
• 30 fps frame rate
• Real-time evaluative metering using CMOS image sensor
• Best view or exposure simulation
• Silent mode
• Grid optional (x2)
• Magnify optional (5x or 10x at AF point)
• Three AF modes - Live mode/Quick mode/Face Detection
• Histogram
• Remote live view using EOS Utility 2.0 (via USB or WiFi/Ethernet using WFT)
  • No Autofocus, 3D-Color Matrix Metering II possible for AI-P NIKKOR lens
  • Too many AF points cramping the VF to make it hard for composition
  • Only 15 cross-type AF sensors vs 19 on the 7D
  • Only 16 languages available vs 26 languages on the 7D
  • Too expensive compares to the 7D, once again, more money for a lot less
  • Primitive dust reduction system, have to pay $100 for Capture NX to delete dust data, Canon DPP is free
  • $100 more for Capture NX, Canon DPP is free
  • Too bulky and heavy, almost 100g heavier than the 7D
  • No Video output (PAL/ NTSC), no External microphone (Stereo mini jack)
  • No Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
  • Limited file formats vs 7 options with the 7D
  • no AF microadjust
  • Native base ISO is to high, starting at 200 vs 100 on the 7D
  • No boost ISO 12800
  • NR is too aggressive for JPEG, watercolor effects
  • Overpriced lens system and accessories
  • No light weight professional lens, F4 L series
  • Many lens are not weather proof
  • Primitive body design, ugly and cheap looking
  • Grip is too big and peal off easily
  • Small letter and info on top LCD panel and dark illumination
My conclusion is, too much money spent on a system that has a lot less value than Canon as a system
 
Yes, we Canon users tend to be more critical with our cameras than Nikon users, most Nikon users are elitist loyal Nikon fanboys would take everything Nikon throws at them, that why it took Nikon years to admit problems with the D70, D70s, D200, D2X, D5000...and so on, and Canon has a much bigger user base than Nikon just in case you don't know
 
Yes, well never mind all that...I am sure you have done your research! The two manufacturers basically have a different mind set in my view...Canon seem content to put out cameras that are not fully tested and use their customers as beta testers..re: IdMkIV and now the 7d..they seem content to have "n" different sensor sizes with different pixel counts...

How many times does it have to be said that more pixels, Canon's choice, ain't necessarily better and 18mp on APS is too many..but we knew that so we knew it would be noisy. It's really not a pixel race, Canon!!

So where does that put the D300...still at the top I guess..the difference between 18 and 12 is negligible particularly if the detail is diminished by noise...

We know Canon had a lead on Nikon in some areas in the past..although I still claim the D200 is an excellent camera but in truth, since the D300, D700 and D3 and D3x and now D3s, I don't think Canon are in the running.

Nikon have scored goal after goal..better AF, superb high iso noise in the D700/D3 and now even improved D3s...and not to be left out..24mp with the D3x..add in their build quality and simple choice of APS or FF with the ability to go from one body to the next..just pick it up and use it like any of their cameras and we can see where Nikon's heritage in producing superb quality professional cameras comes to the fore..

Slow starters but try and beat them now!!!..(C'mon Fuji..surprise us with an awesome sensor in a Nikon body!!!)
 
Didn't you know that before Nikon released the D3, it was stupid that Canonites stick with old fashioned ideas such as 35mm sized sensor.

Didn't you know that before the D300, it was only stupid Canonites who didn't know how to focus would need all those AF points.

Didn't you know that only Canonites would shoot in bat cave, lit by glowing guano.

This is a gear forum, a geek gear forum but you don't have to be brainwashed to be a member.

Gear forums talk about gear not defending their brands. That would be a brand forum.

Maybe DPR should have separate forums titled. "I love my brand x".
 
on everything you point it at, in any mode. Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking the 7D, I think that Dp review was spot on from the 15 min I got to play with it. Great camera.

But looking at the samples and the features, no better, but no worse, than the d300s.

But there have been an awful lot of EXPERIENCED unhappy users over there. I think its some sloppy QC, the returned cameras seem fine.

But the original poster has every right to post what HE feels were differences between the two cameras.

And as far as Canon selling more, when it comes to dslrs, not so much, last year market share was 40-40, year before Nikon actually pulled ahead.
 
LOL, you don’t like hearing that huh.

All I have to look at is the photos I am getting with mine to know that. I don’t need to look at the first page to get an opinion about a camera I have been using first hand.

Don’t worry the D300s is still a great camera, just not the best APS-c DSLR. The 7D has that honor for now. Don’t let it rattle your cage too much, these honors are always short lived. :)

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