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Hello All,

I've been reading the forum for a couple of weeks while preparing to buy a DSLR, and I have a couple questions of my own . . . I'm wondering if you can help!

I'm looking to spend (preferably) around $500, but I can stretch up to $750, if necessary. However, since I'll mostly be using the camera to shoot pics of my children, less is probably better (since we're off adventuring a lot, and I don't want to accidentally ruin anything too expensive). I'm definitely open to buying an older-model used or reconditioned DSLR and lenses -- I've been busy checking out the used department at Adorama, Cameta, and KEH.

I've got a couple of reasons that I want to buy a DSLR -- first, of course, is better picture quality than P&S (although I love my Canon SD1100IS). Second, I'm excited to dig in and experiment with ISO settings, shutter settings, etc (though I'm sure I'll be using the camera in auto, as well). Third, I want to take portraits of my kids and other family members, and I believe that the ability to use a prime 50mm lens will be important.

So far, I've mostly considered Canon and Nikon, just because they're the market leaders. I went to Target this morning to try out their current entry-level offerings (Rebel XS, XSi, and Nikon D3000, Sony (I don't remember the model number)), and honestly, none of them felt great in my hands. Since I can't hold and try out older-model cameras in stores in my area, I'm wondering if you can help.

Here's what I've considered so far. I'd appreciate feedback.

Canon Rebel XTi, XS, or XSi. Honestly, I'm a little nervous, because I've heard more than faint rumblings about focus problems in all the Rebel models from XT on. Being a newbie, that's scary! However, they do have an inexpensive 50mm prime, which is important to me!

Nikon D40 -- beloved by many, easy for a first-time DSLR user. I'm OK with a 6mp camera. In fact, this is probably my top pick right now. But, I'm concerned about lens compatibility, and the fact that the only 50mm prime lens that will go on the D40 is approximately $450 (which is more than the camera, reconditioned).

Nikon D80 - is this too much camera for a beginner? I can get the body used, plus an inexpensive 50mm prime and VR kit lens for about $750.

I'm disinclined to go for a Sony, because I didn't like the way it felt in my hands in the store. I've had a bad experience with an Olympus P&S, so I think that leaves me with Pentax. I heard that I can get a refurbed K100D, body only for under $300. Is that a good deal? If so, what lenses should I consider (including a 50mm prime), and how much would they cost?

Thanks so much for your help!
 
Being a Pentax user, I would go for the K200D instead..it is more like the K10D in a updated body and feature set---less penta-prism...but it does have weather sealing for light rain and dust proofing. PLUS there are 2 WR weather lenses, a 18-55 WR Kit and a 55-200 WR kit....a perfect all around family camera that can caught in the rain too....But I am not sure on the used price of the K200D..the lenses are $200.00 and $250.00 new. I bought a used K20d for $525.00, so a used K200d could be around $400 I guess plus the $450.00 for the 2 new WR kit lenses...A bit higher than the $750.00 by about $150.00. The K100d with the WR lenses would be a good combo too. and would be closer to your higher limit.
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the old original rebel is going for $250 to $300, you can get a 20d, which is a super cam for around $400. Another $350 or so for a good walk around lens, and you're set. I Always had good luck buying used on amazon. People seem to take care of the $1500 camera's that they hold for you for a few years, lol.
 
happycurlygirl said:
I'm looking to spend (preferably) around $500, but I can stretch up to $750, if necessary. However, since I'll mostly be using the camera to shoot pics of my children, less is probably better (since we're off adventuring a lot, and I don't want to accidentally ruin anything too expensive). I'm definitely open to buying an older-model used or reconditioned DSLR and lenses -- I've been busy checking out the used department at Adorama, Cameta, and KEH.
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At that budget level, you don't necessarily need to get second hand. Second hand is ok for those camera collectors - with new, you have warranty and service, firmware updates, more modern conveniences, less purchase risk
happycurlygirl said:
So far, I've mostly considered Canon and Nikon, just because they're the market leaders. I went to Target this morning to try out their current entry-level offerings (Rebel XS, XSi, and Nikon D3000, Sony (I don't remember the model number)), and honestly, none of them felt great in my hands. Since I can't hold and try out older-model cameras in stores in my area, I'm wondering if you can help.
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Pity you iced out Olympus. People who don't like the grip of Canon / Nikon / Sony entry level cameras have the option of Olympus which is quite a different grip.
happycurlygirl said:
Nikon D80 - is this too much camera for a beginner? I can get the body used, plus an inexpensive 50mm prime and VR kit lens for about $750.
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It's not too much camera. But 750 is a lot to spend on a first camera and this is second hand.
happycurlygirl said:
I'm disinclined to go for a Sony, because I didn't like the way it felt in my hands in the store. I've had a bad experience with an Olympus P&S, so I think that leaves me with Pentax. I heard that I can get a refurbed K100D, body only for under $300. Is that a good deal? If so, what lenses should I consider (including a 50mm prime), and how much would they cost?
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K100D is old. Nikon D40 vintage. K200D is the newest old camera to consider.

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happycurlygirl said:
Hello All,

I've been reading the forum for a couple of weeks while preparing to buy a DSLR, and I have a couple questions of my own . . . I'm wondering if you can help!

I'm looking to spend (preferably) around $500, but I can stretch up to $750, if necessary. However, since I'll mostly be using the camera to shoot pics of my children, less is probably better (since we're off adventuring a lot, and I don't want to accidentally ruin anything too expensive). I'm definitely open to buying an older-model used or reconditioned DSLR and lenses -- I've been busy checking out the used department at Adorama, Cameta, and KEH.

I've got a couple of reasons that I want to buy a DSLR -- first, of course, is better picture quality than P&S (although I love my Canon SD1100IS). Second, I'm excited to dig in and experiment with ISO settings, shutter settings, etc (though I'm sure I'll be using the camera in auto, as well). Third, I want to take portraits of my kids and other family members, and I believe that the ability to use a prime 50mm lens will be important.

So far, I've mostly considered Canon and Nikon, just because they're the market leaders. I went to Target this morning to try out their current entry-level offerings (Rebel XS, XSi, and Nikon D3000, Sony (I don't remember the model number)), and honestly, none of them felt great in my hands. Since I can't hold and try out older-model cameras in stores in my area, I'm wondering if you can help.

Here's what I've considered so far. I'd appreciate feedback.

Canon Rebel XTi, XS, or XSi. Honestly, I'm a little nervous, because I've heard more than faint rumblings about focus problems in all the Rebel models from XT on. Being a newbie, that's scary! However, they do have an inexpensive 50mm prime, which is important to me!

Nikon D40 -- beloved by many, easy for a first-time DSLR user. I'm OK with a 6mp camera. In fact, this is probably my top pick right now. But, I'm concerned about lens compatibility, and the fact that the only 50mm prime lens that will go on the D40 is approximately $450 (which is more than the camera, reconditioned).

Nikon D80 - is this too much camera for a beginner? I can get the body used, plus an inexpensive 50mm prime and VR kit lens for about $750.

I'm disinclined to go for a Sony, because I didn't like the way it felt in my hands in the store. I've had a bad experience with an Olympus P&S, so I think that leaves me with Pentax. I heard that I can get a refurbed K100D, body only for under $300. Is that a good deal? If so, what lenses should I consider (including a 50mm prime), and how much would they cost?

Thanks so much for your help!
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The Nikon D40 is very old - 2005? sensor technology has improved quite a bit over the years ! look at current models, the Canon "Rebel" line is actually quite good despite your "faint rumblings". The 500D and 450D (T1i & XSi) have better image quality and ISO performance than other DSLR's, look at the reviews here at http://www.dpreview.com The Canon 450D has better image quality than the more expensive Nikon D90! The new Pentax K-x looks good with many features and a good price. Go to a store and handle the models and consider the lens - it's the lens that makes the difference .... then buy from B&H, Adorama, or locally if you can get a good deal. you should probably buy new or get a good warranty if this is your first DSLR.
 
If you like the little D40, don't let anyone talk you out of one. They are great little cameras and take wonderful images right out of the box. I keep one in my kit along with my D700 and D300. That little D40 has saved the day sometimes.

Now, based on what you said about small uncomfortable cameras, I'd step up to the pump a little. A used D80 is selling for a song right now and you get some advantages that none of those entry levels will give you. You might not see it now, but you'll appreciate it in very short order.

The D80 has a real optical glass pentaprism viewfinder. All the other recommendations I've seen in this thread have the cheaper pentamirror arrangement. What that means to you is a nice big bright viewfinder compared to a dimmer tunnel-like view.

The D80 has a top mounted LCD. This is something that people without it seem to never miss, but let me tell you. Once you have it, you won't buy a camera without it. One glance tells you so much, from how much battery is left to how many shots you've got left as well as shutter speed, aperture and so much more. No searching through menus on the back LCD.

The D80 has front and rear dials. Entry level cameras share one dial to change aperture and shutter speed which can be a pain in the butt.

The D80 is just plain comfortable. Hold it and you'lll see. Hold it in one hand and in two hands. It sticks there. No cheapy plasticy feel.

I was browsing KEH today and noticed that mint condition Nikon D80s are selling for the mid $400 range. That's crazy good. The camera came out in a kit for $1299 originally. I know. I bought one.

In short, if you're really serious about this, get a camera you can really use in a serious way. If you like Canon, the 40D might be a good choice. I'd leave the rest of the brands by the wayside. You're already on the right track.

If you purchased the D80, I'd get one or two lenses to strart with. The kit 18-55 is one of the best sharpest kit lenses out there. You might step up to the 18-105vr for around $300 from KEH. But, I'd get an older 18-70 zoom for next to nothing. This is one of the best n the business and will do you for quite a long time. You'd have a little over $500 and a semi-pro level camera you could grow with.

A new 35 f/1.8 for $199 and a used 55-200 VR for $140 and you could round it out later.

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To add to what AnandaSim said, you can get an Olympus E-520 with two lenses on Amazon for $521 right now. Brand new.

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Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with an Olympus point & shoot. I started with an Olympus E410 and upgraded to the E-520 for in-camera stabilization. All that you listed are good choices but of course you need to buy the one right for you.

I like Olympus due to the size and weight and good quality lenses available. Even the kit lenses have received good reviews. I recommend the E-520 & have read many good reviews on the Olympus 50-200mm telephoto lens.

Good luck in your decision.
 
Thank you -- all of you -- for taking the time to share your thoughts! It's comforting to know that I have so many good options. To be honest, I still haven't made up my mind -- I'm hoping to have it all nailed down in the next day or two. And in the meantime, I'd love to hear more ideas and feedback from anyone who feels inclined to share. Thanks! :)

By the way, it's really important to me that I get a 50mm prime within my $500 - $750 budget. I love the sharp portraits and the blurry bokeh that it can produce, and I love the idea of being able to shoot indoors without flash (my flash seems to ruin most of my P&S indoor shots). So, any package that I put together will definitely have the 50mm prime.
 
That's too bad you've made up your mind about an Olympus DSLR based on your experience with an Olympus P&S. Really, all the top DSLR manufacturers offer excellent cameras and lenses. Check out all of them, but not based on P&S camera performance.

Here's some from a four year old 8mp Olympus E-500 DSLR camera, taken this summer during a light rain. The lighting doesn't get much worse than this along a tree-lined street, unless it's night time or pouring rain. Notice all of the umbrellas, particularly in the first one. And this camera doesn't have sensor-shift image stabilization and all of the other nice modern features. But I still prefer it over my P&S cameras.

I'm getting better at using this Zuiko 40-150mm lens. There's still more improvements I'd like to make with it. I mostly use my newer Olympus DSLR and Zuiko 70-300mm telephoto lens. We are over in Oly Land (the OTF), if you have any further questions. :)

Olympus E-500, Zuiko 40-150mm lens, ISO400, F9, 1/200, 40mm FL



Olympus E-500, Zuiko 40-150mm lens, ISO400, F7.1, 1/320, 40mm FL

 
You really need to get your hands on as many different dslrs as you can, brand loyality is one thing but if it doesn't feel good in your hand and you can't work it comfortably it will adversely effect your pictures and your picture taking experience. Buying used can force you into a camera that doesn't feel comfortible in your hand because "it's a killer deal". If you do by used have patience and wait for the right one. If I were you I'd spend the whole $750 and buy new. Get a camera body and a tele-zoom in the 18-200mm, 28-300mm range and save up for that fast 50mm prime. The tele-zoom will let you experience most of the different aspects of shooting with a dslr and you will be less likely to get caught up in buying a ton of other lenses trying to find what suits your needs. If down the road you really get into it and want better equipment you can look at your pictures exif info and you'll see what range you are always shooting at. Then you can go after specific primes or much narrower range tele-photos and know you will put them to good use...
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I don't meant to hijack this thread, but I never really thought of buying used, but I think its a great idea. Can anyone recomend the best place to find used DSLR's? Thanks.
 
I've thought it over, and I'm down to the Canon Rebel XSi or the Nikon D80.

With the Rebel, I can get so much more for my money . . . with the current Amazon promotion, I can get the XSi kit, a 55-250mm IS lens, and even add in the nifty fifty, all for under $730, brand spankin' new, with warranty. Tough to pass up.

With the D80, I can get a gently used D80 with a 60-day warranty, a used kit lens, and a used 50mm prime for around the same -- $750. But I won't be getting the telephoto, and I won't be getting brand new with a full-year warranty. (How important is buying an extended warranty if I'm purchasing used equipment from Adaorama or KEH)?

How much, as a newbie, who's mostly interested in photographing children and families, will I have need for the telephoto? Is it a really important, solid component that will serve me well in my needs? Or, is it just "nice to have?"

Another consideration is that we may be moving from the US to the UK in a few months, and I'm sure that I'm going to want to capture our adventures in a new country. Will a telephoto be important for that? Also, will warranty service be an issue for either the Canon or Nikon if we move?

Ahhh . . . what to do? It's just time to make the decision and buy!

Final question . . . can anyone comment on the consistency of sharp images that each camera will produce? I'm willing to take the time to learn my camera, but the equipment I buy needs to be reliable.

Thanks again! I'm reading each of your comments and carefully considering them -- I appreciate your help! :)
 
Roy Carter said:
the old original rebel is going for $250 to $300, you can get a 20d, which is a super cam for around $400. Another $350 or so for a good walk around lens, and you're set. I Always had good luck buying used on amazon. People seem to take care of the $1500 camera's that they hold for you for a few years, lol.
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Yes, I do recommend buying used too, from reliable used dealers or private sellers you can check an eBay rating on, or a rating from a reliable sales area from a place that a camera make specific web site sales area. Like for me, I used the "PentaxForum" Market Place.

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I would say to check out the reviews first. Most of the used or entry-level DSLR cameras that have gotten excellent reviews, should be good for you, no matter what choices you make. You could find that it could take weeks to months of learning with this equipment...after that time, you'll be in a better position to understand what you want or need. For some, size or weight is an issue. For others, they don't care about the extra weight or bulk, as long as they get good image quality and performance.

Have fun with your new toys. :)
 
Hy HappyCurlyGirl (nice nick!),

The hard thing is that we won't tell you 'buy this camera' it's the best for $xxx. So practically all cameras available are good, surely new ones are.

I don't know what you don't like about the grip of Nikon/Canon/others. Yes, it different to hold and use a DSLR, one hand at the shutter and one hand (left) under the lens is often the best. IMHO it's important too how easily you can do what you want to do with the camera. I do like a second LCD on top of the camera and I do like the position of the wheel with Nikon, yet I choose Canon for the ease to pick ISO of AF or something with the push of one button.. others have other reasons to like or dislike the 'feel' of a camera. Size of hands can play part.

No one NEEDS a tele. Many do like it. It's just an option. One I do like, like others do love there wide angle or other others their 50mm prime.

As you 'adventure', WeatherSealed is surely something to think about. And as -in this price range- Pentax can offer that (and more) I would recommend looking at it again, as is suggested a while ago. For the money you want to spend I would prefer new, ... but again: that's just me.
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I started browsing some of the major used camera websites again, and I noticed that I could get a gently used D200 for the same price as a gently used D80 (under $500). I know that the D200 would be more difficult to learn, since it doesn't have preset program modes, but it is also sturdy and weather-sealed. (Plus, call me crazy, but I have a professional photographer friend who swears by her D200. Additionally, I've read that the metering quality on the D200 far surpasses the metering on the D80).

Would I be crazy to seriously consider the D200 as a newbie moving up from a P&S? Like I said earlier, I'm willing to take the time to learn the equipment, but I don't want to dissolve into a puddle of complete frustration! (As in, I'd like to get some good (not perfect) shots in during the first week, so I don't feel like a complete failure)! :)
 
In reference to my question about the D80 vs. D200 . . . .

While I'm about as newbie as you can get, I have taken the time to read a couple of Bryan Peterson's books -- "Understanding Exposure" and "Understanding Digital Photography", so I have a basic idea about the interplay of aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. (In fact, reading "Understanding Exposure" is what got me so excited about entering the DSLR world).

I have a feeling that I'd be shooting in aperture-priority mode as I started out . . . . does that seem like a good idea? (I'll mostly be photographing my rapidly-moving children). :)
 
Looking at the reviews, that seems reasonable. Have you checked which lenses you will get with the Nikon DSLR cameras? How much is that going to cost? Does that include memory, a battery and a battery charger?

Do you know that there are a lot of new DSLR cameras with two kit lenses offered under $900 (USD) or even a lot less? For example, go look at the Nikon D5000, or the Olympus E-620, the Sony A330, the Canon T1i, or the Pentax K-x. There are others for consideration also. Check the reviews for them before deciding which one to purchase.

If you have narrowed this down to the Nikon brand, because this is something that you are comfortable with, then you might want to go to that forum and ask them for more details. You might pay a little more for a new camera, but if you get better technology, plus two kit lenses with the camera, then you might be ahead.
 
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