Some thoughts on resolution (after the olydak post)

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In computers the giga-hertz race is going to continue for a long time. There is no logical stopping point: as the old saying goes, what Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away.

There is, however, a foreseeable end to the mega-pixel war.

I’ve study a lot of print outs and have come to a few conclusions.

(As you look at these numbers remember this: a new 2 MP camera is using the same CCD that has been out for about 4 years now. How would an image from one built from the ground up using the latest technology look? How about using next year's technology?)

The average consumer taking pictures of Aunt Milly really doesn’t need a whole lot more than 2 MP. This person will make very few prints larger than 4x5. Lets give a cheap consumer camera a 2 MP sensor and good one closer to 4 MP. Think this isn’t enough? Look at the average consumer’s prints and ask yourself if they are better than 4x5 prints you’ve seen from a Canon D-30 or Oly E-10.

For the hobbyist or prosumer market we need a little more. Here we will be seeing many more 8x10s with a few larger prints. A 4 MP sensor will be a good “entry level” camera while a good average will be closer to 8 MP. There, of course, may be a higher end to this market and you might see some 12 MP and even 16 MP cameras that don’t offer pro features.

The pro camera is harder to pin down. For some work 8 MP will be enough. Others will be replacing their medium and large format cameras and will want 24 to 32 MP, maybe even 64 MP. There may even be special uses for ultra-high resolutions like 128 MP or even 1 GP. Optics will be the real limiting factor for these special use cameras.

When people stop shouting for more MP the sensor makers will have to look into other features to make people buy their chips. Bit depth will quickly become 16 bit/color. Other technologies may come out to rival the Feveon. They will work harder on taking out noise. ISO ranges will become incredible – anyone for action shots by candlelight? (BTW - months ago I predicted chip makers would combine pixels to acheive higher ISO's - the Feveon hype says it's going to be able to that.) The wish list goes on.

I’m sure we are going to see a shake down in the camera industry soon. After that I expect to see some standards established.

This is really a two-part post. The second part is about the current state (as of 2 years ago!) of resolution with the E-10 image.
 
I believe the slightly less than four mega-pixels of the E-10 is underrated. As stated in other posts, I think people often don’t see everything the E-10 is capable of. I have been playing with the middle option in the raw convert plugin in Photoshop. I find that for highly detailed shots this is the best method. This brings out details that the last method and jpgs lose.

Looking at these images and the printouts they produce is part of what inspired me to write the first part of this post.

I went over a few pictures today from a recent trip to Wyoming. No touchups besides some curves and levels to get the brightness to a good level. No sharpness or USM.

I tried to compress the full images while using a little less compression with the 100% clips.

A shot of the Tetons:



and a 100% detail:



A depth of field shot of the Tetons:



with a 100% clip:



A raft trip/group portrait:



with one of the faces:



I know I shouldn’t push it, but here is one more mountain shot from high up in the Tetons – problem was it was noon and I’m looking south across snow and ice:



and a 100% clip:



The print out's at 2880 on premium high gloss paper with my Epson 1280 are sharper and more detailed than pictures from the coffee table book I bought of the Tetons.
 
This is good info, Trent, and much preferable to the current rants. This is what I'm interested in and came here for... learning about MY camera. It's flaws have been overdone while it's virtues barely surface. Thanks.
 
Thanks for commenting. What I put up isn't as good as Jason Busch's comments but I'm glad you liked it. With all of the new stuff coming out I think people forget how good the E-10 still is. I hit limitations all the time but I think working my way around them makes me a better photographer.
This is good info, Trent, and much preferable to the current rants.
This is what I'm interested in and came here for... learning about
MY camera. It's flaws have been overdone while it's virtues barely
surface. Thanks.
 
Interesting thread and very true.... I appreciate what my e-10 can do... and even if I decide to upgrade for better low light and higher iso... I have already decided to keep the e-10... it takes awesome pictures and it continues to amaze me.... plus while I shoot some film... I still prefer digital!
Heather
 
I love my E10 and still use my 35mm outfit for sports assigments. I will be buying a digital SLR but my wish list is long. The 1Ds may be the one but who knows. I will keep my E10 as it goes everywhere with me. It's 4mp sensor has given me hundreds of beauitful 8x10 and 11x14 photographs.
Interesting thread and very true.... I appreciate what my e-10 can
do... and even if I decide to upgrade for better low light and
higher iso... I have already decided to keep the e-10... it takes
awesome pictures and it continues to amaze me.... plus while I
shoot some film... I still prefer digital!
Heather
 
My E-10 is just under a year old. Since photography is just a hobbie for me (and not my only expensive hobbie), I can't justify a new camera for some time. Even if somebody gave me a couple of grand to throw down on a new camera I would want to wait. The E-10 does most of what I want and I know next years cameras will be much closer to my ideal. And yes, my E-10 does continue to amaze me too. My film camera just gathers dust. Thanks for adding.
Interesting thread and very true.... I appreciate what my e-10 can
do... and even if I decide to upgrade for better low light and
higher iso... I have already decided to keep the e-10... it takes
awesome pictures and it continues to amaze me.... plus while I
shoot some film... I still prefer digital!
Heather
 
Sports shots are a problem with the E-x0s. I think they do their best work with things like landscape and still lifes. I've also seen some great portrait work posted here. I have come up with some good action shots, but I know that's a long way from getting the critical shot for an assignment. I think there are too many professionals on this site to feel too inferior about the e-10. I've never tried printing bigger than 11x14 but have been amazed at how well it handles that size.
Interesting thread and very true.... I appreciate what my e-10 can
do... and even if I decide to upgrade for better low light and
higher iso... I have already decided to keep the e-10... it takes
awesome pictures and it continues to amaze me.... plus while I
shoot some film... I still prefer digital!
Heather
 
My E-10 has produced thousands of images since I acquired it in June 2001. The resolution issue isn't one for me as I use the camera in very specific ways, mainly for web sites, shows, brochures and magazines. My 21/4 equipment finds it's use for portraiture and other situations where great enlargements will be made.
Here is a picture I did yesterday with the Camedia for a magazine.



--
Jacques Gratton Photographer
http://www.jacquesgratton.com
 
I think the problem with resolution isn't so much in the e-10 as in people's perception that 5 MP would be too little for a new camera coming on the market today. What I was trying to say, and may have missed, was that since even the E-10's 4, mp using technology that came out 2 years ago, is more than enough for most uses, 5 MP done right could make a camera that could compete with the D-100/D60.

With all of the people leaving I am happy to see people like you who still put their E-10s to good use. Thanks for replying and showing us your recent work.
My E-10 has produced thousands of images since I acquired it in
June 2001. The resolution issue isn't one for me as I use the
camera in very specific ways, mainly for web sites, shows,
brochures and magazines. My 21/4 equipment finds it's use for
portraiture and other situations where great enlargements will be
made.
Here is a picture I did yesterday with the Camedia for a magazine.
--
Jacques Gratton Photographer
http://www.jacquesgratton.com
 

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