Tonight's moon, Canon G2 with 6-inch f/5 newtonian telescope.

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Taken in the last few hours, all are from my circa-2001 Canon Powershot G2 via afocal eyepiece projection with a Baader Hyperion 17mm eyepiece, into 6-inch aperture f/5 newtonian telescope. Had nice clear skies tonight.

33-image mosaic stitch of the moon (on its side). Shot to raw, basic pp in lightroom, stitched with Autostitch:



Single image detail of the Appenine and Haemus mountain ranges, curving around towards Plato (large crater on far right):

 
Wow great piece of work! I had a G2 - great little camera. I was able to sell it recently to finance my G10. I was sad losing the articulated screen - and a year later its back!

Great astrophotography!
 
Nice detail. I've been wanting to get some good moon shots, but the seeing here in NY has been horrible! I think we've had a total of 4 nights where you could actually go beyond 150x. I've only seen the moon with that much detail once since I got my scope, which I've had for around 8 months ago.

Did you use any filters?

How do you like to have to zoom...1X or full zoom?

What's your focusing technique?

I've been meaning to get a moon filter, but with the seeing being so bad it hasn't been a priority. I'm using a Canon A710, and I find the images at full zoom (6X) look terrible. After some calculations I realized the magnification is simply too great for optical system. That's because I have a 5" Mak with a 1540mm focal length. I need to stick with 1x images and just live with the vignetting.

As for focusing I auto-focus on something far away, and then lock the focus and put the camera into the scope. That seems to work better than manually focusing to infinity. In fact, when I have my teleconverter mounted and I take a pic of the moon with auto-focus, the focus indicator is always just short of infinity. With the teleconverter, I find the auto-focus moon pics are better than any manually focused attempts, so that's what I stick with.

But it doesn't matter how well I focus if the seeing is bad! I didn't realize just how bad NYC was until I actually tried all this. But I'm still hopeful that one day conditions will be just right when the moon is high, and I'll get some good pics.

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Way cool!
Excellent work, awesome detail! :0
Thanx for sharing this...
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Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

I'm not using any filters. With 150mm aperture at 750mm focal length (f/5 newt) I only just get enough light, after going through the ep and lens, to make for a decent 1/50th shot at f/5.6. I find it necessary to stop down to f/5.6 to get a sharp shot with the G2's lens, and with ISO 50, there's an obvious cost in that. Filters, or using a clear-aperture mask to reduce contrast loss from the spider would be too long of an exposure.. unless I put more time into the mount and tracking accuracy (this shot was done without lunar or sidereal tracking at all), plus concern over any wind vibrations and such. Starts to become more of a hassle, like deep sky objects, at that point.

I did do some multi-pass USM at the end in photoshop, before exporting to jpeg, which I forgot to mention in my initial post. Helps bring things up a bit.

Getting critical focus is a pain in the ass, I experimented with AF and infinity back when I started and had no luck with it, so I devised a complex method that has worked for me. If the AF/infinity works for you, I'd stick with that :). The smartest way, for my usage, would be to use a laptop and a remote-trigger program, so you could see a 1:1 display of the image taken on a decent sized screen. I don't have a laptop right now, so I make do with the tiny onboard screen. I do the following:

1) Get the object located and centered. Then put the camera on the scope.

2) Get as much zoom as possible on the camera (within diffraction and useful atmospheric limits.. something reasonable) then set the camera's "manual focus" in the middle of the range, roughly. It helps to have picked something of fairly high contrast in the center of the camera's screen, like a crater.

3) Use the main telescope focus to get a ballpark, as close as possible, of something that looks sharp. Kudos if you have a Crayford style focuser, or better yet, one with dual speeds (I have neither, old rack-and-pinion). If need be, use the MF on the camera to pop up the "super zoom" view that it gives for MF usage. It's rather a pain to keep this enabled on the G2, you have to keep the MF button held down, and then separately fiddle with the main telescope focus.

4) Once the telescope focus is as close as humanly possible, then use the camera's MF to further tweak focus (again, on a high-contrast target) to get it as close as you can. The G2's little screen and low resolution makes this a challenge of deciding if 10 pixels look "sharper" than they did before, but experimentation and experience shooting can result in something decent.

5) On the G2, the support for RAW processing on the camera kind of sucks, it only does a bare-minimum-quality JPEG conversion, so if you want to "zoom" in on a resulting raw photo to check focus across multiple high-contrast targets, it doesn't really work. So I usually shoot a high quality jpg, and then use that as a zoom-check to see how the target looks overall.

6) With a maksutov-cassegrain this shouldn't be as big of an issue, but newtonians have serious coma without a corrector like a paracorr (which I can't currently afford). Thus, only the center has particularly good focus, and it transitions out to mush from there. I do the best I can in the middle region, and try to process for the best overall sharpness later using composites of a lot of regions (hence all the images).

So, again, if one had a laptop and a remote-trigger app (like the many that support Canon stuff), this would all be a lot simpler and more powerful, especially for DSOs and stuff. Focusing on lower-contrast items is a gigantic hassle for me, at present.

The images here were all shot with full zoom (only 3x on the G2) into the 17mm Hyperion. I experiment with different options, usually. Last night I also tried it at full-wide with a 2.5x barlow, which made for a better FOV on the lens, but a mushier image with some added CA fringing, so I went back to just the zoom.

Seeing is always the big challenge for me as well. Wisconsin has terrible seeing. Last night was the best I've ever seen. Visually I was able to push up around 250x, and see tiny shadow detail of the mountain ranges cast over interior detail in craters.. I've never seen that before, at least on the Haemus range. My camera gear was not able to approach that before going to mush (too many elements and BS in the way), so I shot this at.. at whatever the mag works out to (haven't ever bothered to check, 150x or so I would guess).

Thanks again for all the kind words, everyone :).
 
Wow, I'm amazed that it's possible for you to take such an amazing picture from your backyard. Your commitment really shows!

Excellent!

:)
 
I only wish,I could capture as you have.

My humble capture with my SX10... 20x full zoom,and tripod.

Aperture 5.6, Shutter 1/125, ISO 80, Contrast +1, edited Gama Correct -1

I tried a few shots of capturing Jupiter,and it's four moons...
In order to bring the light up getting down to 1/3 sec,and more exposures
were necessary...
As you can understand,and as I found out.
That kinda exposure,isn't possible without some variation of auto tracking
device....

Even without any camera/telescope experience,I can appreciate.
The SX10 doesn't allow anything in the way of additional adapters...
Other than filters.

You really have devoted time and expense ... Great shots.
Would love to see more...

This area of magnification,as far as Earths,Moon shots go.
Are hard to find posted on the internet,from any source.

Most folks couldn't appreciate the problems encountered,when
attempting this area of magnification within photography,from a fixed position.
Not that telescopes haven't been around for a long time.

However,once you point it skyward,trying to capture sharp focus,while
staying on target..... Can be tough.....

I believe you indicated you had no auto tracking within the tripod used.
I can truly appreciate the IQ,at this magnification.....

Difficulty tracking is near constant,let alone time to snap a shot.
Once again......... very well done.



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Being blessed with sight,does not bestow seeing.
Sir,Hamington
 
I enjoyed mine for years and gave it to my grandson when I picked up my G-10. The G2 just keeps on ticking out great images.
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Photography at the speed of sound.

 
Thanks much for the kind words. I like your photo as well; frankly, it's pretty impressive for a compact zoom on its own. Amazing how much power is in these modern cameras.

I have yet to do any quality exposures of planets either. I've done one of Saturn that was at least recognizable (it had rings) but practically no detail. The dynamic range seems a bit challenging on those, as well, to get the dimmer moons with the planets.

I think I've managed to keep the level of expense relatively modest, to do this sort of picture. The telescope I purchased used from a friend for about $60 (a good deal, but I've seen similar ones on the used market). I have an equatorial mount, but this sort of photo, thanks to the brightness of the source, could be done with a less expensive dobsonian mount as well (although the moon is about as far as one could likely go with a lower-end dob, tracking becomes too big of an issue). The G2 fortunately allows the adapter ring, which I use to directly mount it to the Hyperion eyepiece, which was another used purchase on Astromart for around $55 (has a small inclusion, which I just rotate out of the camera's FOV). Even without the adapter ring, though, there are "universal" mounts available that simply let you attach any compact digicam directly to an eyepiece, via the tripod mount on the camera with an eyepiece clamp. You can get them from Oriion and the like (telescope.com). They're a bit less elegant than a fully threaded system, and there's obviously the potential for stray light leaks (throw a cloth over it or something), but they do work fairly well. I started out with one of those, shooting directly into the 25mm eyepiece that came with the scope.

I've upgraded my mount from the original, to a cheap chinese Ebay motorized unit that I can eventually modify for auto-guided tracking, but as I said, I didn't use any of that to do these photos. There isn't really a big need for tracking on a bright moon, at least if one can get a reasonably short exposure.

All told, the original cost of the G2 camera is probably by far my biggest expense, to get these photos. The total cost of the telescope/eyepiece features I actually used to shoot this was probably only a couple hundred.

The biggest challenge, for me, has been the technical learning curve and coming up with ways of adapting to the various limitations presented (focus, etc). I have definitely devoted quite a bit of time, and taken a lot of mediocre photos before I got anything decent; in that way, it's just like anything else in photography :).

It is quite a technical branch of photography, though. A great deal of preparation and pre-thinking are required for any given shot, and it only gets more challenging (and more expensive) as the objects get farther away, or dimmer. I've done some deep sky objects (nebulae, clusters, etc) but am still struggling to get focus when I don't have something like the moon handy (there are options, like a hartmann mask, but I haven't gotten there yet.. and it's tough to see much on the little G2's screen). Plus tracking becomes a far greater concern, and I don't get have the mount accuracy yet to do more than a 10-15 second exposure.

Sometime soon I hope to move up to a DSLR on the telescope, potentially with HD video capabilities, which will let me make use of the video for "lucky imaging" (automated post-process selection of atmospherically-ideal frames from video or large image batches). Plus, a larger sensor will be nice for dimmer objects. Still, the G2 has been a phenomenal camera for me, and it's been a fun and interesting challenge to try and get the best astro images I could, with a relatively lower-cost P&S-style unit.

As a final note, images like this tend to be a bit more common on astro and astro-imaging specific forums, like those on Cloudy Nights. There you find the people with the really amazing (and incredibly expensive) hardware and the breathtaking images that I can only aspire to. The Rob Gendlers of the world:

http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/

It's telling that NASA redirects people to his photos.

Thanks again for the feedback, everyone.
 
Thanks for the focusing directions! Your Moon picture was excellent. It's been a while since I've been out observing--partly bad stretches of weather, partly cold weather. But focusing has always been an issue and I'm looking forward to trying your tips!

(I realize your post is from several months back, but I just came across it.)
 

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