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Hey,
This is the picture I talk about:



I put out a tutorial in my site about two flash lights photo.

The total outcome was nice (for my expectations ),but I still got the background lit by the flash lights.
What can I do to prevent that from happening in the next shootout?
Details:
The background was about 4-4.5 meters (12-14 feet) behind me .
It doesn't seems to be ambient light,as I took the shots at 1/250sec ISO 100...

What do you think about it?

The tutorial for more detail:
http://diyphotographystuff.info/664/two-lights-dramatic-portrait/
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I find it disappointing and misleading when somebody providing a 'tutorial' online (for which a DVD will shortly be available !) - can't reverse engineer, or correct a basic problem in one of his own photographic samples and then needs and requests the assistance of those who supposedly the tutorials might be aimed at. Unbelievable even.

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Ian.

Samples of work: http://www.AccoladePhotography.co.uk
Weddings: http://www.AccoladeWeddings.com
Events: http://www.OfficialPhotographer.com

Theres only one sun. Why do I need more than one light to get a natural result?
 
UKphotographers said:
I find it disappointing and misleading when somebody providing a 'tutorial' online (for which a DVD will shortly be available !) - can't reverse engineer, or correct a basic problem in one of his own photographic samples and then needs and requests the assistance of those who supposedly the tutorials might be aimed at. Unbelievable even.

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Ian.
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Ian,I didn't want to make you angry.Sorry for the DVD promo that took your mind of the question I asked.

I didn't got the answer,do you know how to help or do you know only how to criticize?

If I didn't offer you the link to the site ,would you still don't share the answer?

P.S

The DVD promo appears only to fill a banner place at the template I downloaded (what can I say,thats the way it is) and I put a banner just to fill it...
Sorry for that too Ian...
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I didn't understand how come all of you guys are edgy in here?

I don't see such replyies in other posts here...

Can you be more specific ,or it will be too hard to bother you?
KBurns said:
KBurns said:
What can I do to prevent that from happening in the next shootout?
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Block out the light so it doesn't strike the background. Duh!!!
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You either need to stand further from the background or use barndoors and/or grids on your flash to stop the spill hitting the background. i suggest that you cut a piece of card and stick it to the ends of your home made softboxes to to reduce the spill behind you...
Marc
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'Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.'
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Put something opaque between the light source and the background to block off the light. This is extremely fundamental. I'm not so sure that you qualify to instruct if you can't figure out such extremely basic lighting controls.
 
The light in the BG is simply a reflection from the glossy tiles. Put something matte (fabric ... muslin) for the BG and your're done ;)

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cheers, Peter
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Thanks for the replies .

I will put a black background behind the model (me).I didn't put it yet as this is a room that we just emptied from all the junk my wifes father stored in there before we moved in.

As for the matter of being a teacher/instructor of some kind,I don't intend to be(a least for now).

You probably know everything is relative,so if XXX knows something better than me,there is probably someone that I know better than him,and some that knows better than XXX.
Never the less no one has to attack anyone...

PEACE

P.S

An amazing book that I just finished reading about human economics behavior ,if you have some spare hours I recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Revised-Expanded-Decisions/dp/0061854549/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257613586&sr=1-1
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Wedding photography in Israel
http://www.moshesamuel.com
DIY photography stuff for product photography and
portrait photography
http://www.diyphotographystuff.info/
 
diyphotographystuff said:
I put out a tutorial in my site about two flash lights photo.

The total outcome was nice (for my expectations ),but I still got the background lit by the flash lights.
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diyphotographystuff said:
Ian,I didn't want to make you angry.Sorry for the DVD promo that took your mind of the question I asked.
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Your DVD promotion didn't take my mind off the question - the answer - and the simplicity of it smacking off the page was all I needed. This, combined with the fact that you are offering tutorials on lighting yet must know nothing is what was unbelievable. The industry is full of charletans and your post and 'tutorial' does nothing to help. Especially amongst those who might already offer tutorials.

For someone who advertises that he is a wedding photographer AND offers tutorials AND points to the problem of his own question in his first post only indicates that you don't have a clue what you're talking about and shouldn't be putting yourself in the position you have done. Tutoring people is the LAST thing you should want to consider to be honest with you.

Normally people offering tutorials have a wealth of knowledge and there would be a few people amongst this forum who it would be worth being tutored by, suggesting that you're a tutor and requesting help with your subject is a contradiction.

Unless it's a marketing ploy to get people to your website by pretending to be an idiot ?

Come now, if '..(you) still got the background lit by the flash lights' - what might be the solution to prevent that reflection of that light being seen? This is REALLY basic.

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Ian.

Samples of work: http://www.AccoladePhotography.co.uk
Weddings: http://www.AccoladeWeddings.com
Events: http://www.OfficialPhotographer.com

Theres only one sun. Why do I need more than one light to get a natural result?
 
Ian
I don't know how to get you,as you sound a little cheeky/rude/arrogant/insulting
So I'm not going to.

But as I said in my blog ,its all about learning and testing (thats why I use carton softboxes and not "real" stuff,I find it more fun,isn't it all about?),but you woke up on the wrong side of your bed and decided to answer/attack,well thats your decision.

I don't claim to know everything,the only thing I claim is that I want to enjoy shooting photos.

By the way I did enjoy in this "shootout",its nice to be the model once in a while...

I even actually liked the results ,but it seemed surprising to get the light at the background (please keep in mind that I want to learn).

Once again dear Ian,ENJOY!!!
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Wedding photography in Israel
http://www.moshesamuel.com
DIY photography stuff for product photography and
portrait photography
http://www.diyphotographystuff.info/
 
I think that many on these forums (myself included) are amazed at where photograpy has come these days. Anyone can "instruct" anyone can put out a DVD and the level of what is condidered professional has become very diluted. Your image does have some spill (easy to remedy) but for me the spill is a small part of the problem I see with this image. You've only asked for help with the light spill so I won't go into a critique on the rest of it. While there's plenty of room for doing portraits in new and different ways, the refined technique of flattering a human subject pre-dates photography by many centuries. The old masters of portraiture got it right way back then with oil paint, a canvas and window light. We can now apply any number new and sometimes exciting applications of posing, perspective and lighting for a modern look but I'm afraid that along with this change has come a new standard of acceptance for just plain "crapy" snapshots. Your image is interesting but it's far from flattering and breaks most of the rules for a good portrait. If you like this look and you have others that want to replicate it, then more power to you but from my perspective, it's a sad day in photography. Hopefully you're enlightened and not just offended by my comments.
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Moshe,

The only thing that can be described as being cheeky/rude/arrogant/insulting is being offered a 'tutorial' by a tutor who lacks knowledge in his subject, and I'm sure that despite many other posts pointing you towards the answer, you still don't have a clue.

By all means enjoy what you do, but don't try to pass it off as instructional or a tutorial. You're just a guy playing with a camera and a couple of shoeboxes with speedlights in, copying another photographer and pretending that your results are worth achieving.

If you had asked that you were trying to achieve that certain look, but were having problems rather than instruct in it, I'm sure your responses would be more to your liking.

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Ian.

Samples of work: http://www.AccoladePhotography.co.uk
Weddings: http://www.AccoladeWeddings.com
Events: http://www.OfficialPhotographer.com

Theres only one sun. Why do I need more than one light to get a natural result?
 
If you were trying to highlight ears - then I guess the photo was a success. Most people feel the eyes are the window to the soul and in your photo the eyes are very poorly lit.

If you were initially inspired by Robert Seale’s Lance Armstrong Photo Shoot, then I suggest you have another look at his results:

http://www.robertsealeblog.com/?p=236

The background issues you mentioned could be easily solved by flagging the light sources - but as far as the portrait is concerned - the background is the least of your worries.

My apologies is this seem insulting, but after looking at this and other postings on your site - in particular your 'How to shoot flowers' and 'Amazing product photography' postings - I have absolutely no idea what you feel people can learn from you - if no one else will say it - let me break the news to you - the photography is terrible!!

BG

A squirrel in the hand is much harder to shoot than two in the bush!!
 
Ian
Sorry that I still don't get you.
Could you please read again the Original question that I wrote .
Please point to the exact word that made you so angry.

Let say that if I used the word story instead of tutorial would it be better for you?
I don't get what the fuss is all about.
I never said that I'm other than a guy that enjoys to play with his camera.

About copying other guys work,I could tell it about any other two light setup photo you'll ever take.

The only thing I asked was why there is still some back light in the picture,thats all...

About reading a tutorial/story/post or any other title you want to give it,its up to you.I'm pretty sure there are people out there that will read it and other that will rank it as junk ,as you ranked it.
UKphotographers said:
Moshe,

The only thing that can be described as being cheeky/rude/arrogant/insulting is being offered a 'tutorial' by a tutor who lacks knowledge in his subject, and I'm sure that despite many other posts pointing you towards the answer, you still don't have a clue.

By all means enjoy what you do, but don't try to pass it off as instructional or a tutorial. You're just a guy playing with a camera and a couple of shoeboxes with speedlights in, copying another photographer and pretending that your results are worth achieving.

If you had asked that you were trying to achieve that certain look, but were having problems rather than instruct in it, I'm sure your responses would be more to your liking.

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Ian.

Samples of work: http://www.AccoladePhotography.co.uk
Weddings: http://www.AccoladeWeddings.com
Events: http://www.OfficialPhotographer.com

Theres only one sun. Why do I need more than one light to get a natural result?
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Wedding photography in Israel
http://www.moshesamuel.com
DIY photography stuff for product photography and
portrait photography
http://www.diyphotographystuff.info/
 
I really don't understand all the hostility in this thread. In fact, I rarely stop by here because of it. The op raises a question, and w/ that knowledge, he can do whatever he chooses, that is if you're will to offer. If you're not willing to offer your photographic secrets, well, on to the next thread. Now, I'm wasting my 10 mins.
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