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When one buys into Canon they are gaining access to a rather extensive catalogue of currently made lenses. Canon and Nikon take 80% annual dslr marketshare while pentax takes 5%. That means for every 40 nikon and 40 canon dslrs sold Pentax sells 5 dslrs.

Pentax dslrs are feature rich, however K-7 is too small in size for me to use so I'll pass. I found K20D platform perfect size. K20D days are over now in favor of even smaller camera.

Here's another Canon 7D review:

http://rolandlim.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/canon-eos-7d-review/
pkaliaf said:
godfrog said:
Pentax does RAW NR, on the K-7 starting as ISO3200, while the K20D does it from ISO1600.

Anyway, the Canon 7D looks like a very impressive camera. Great sensor, pro features and customization, advanced AF system, big 100% viewfinder, and a very well speced video mode.

As for Pentax K-7, I think the Canon review is a credit to Pentax. The 1050$ Pentax body is close to the 1700$ APS-C king, and in some areas the Pentax is better (sealing, body SR). Unless your lens needs require you to go with Canon, the Pentax option is looking great.
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Agreed. One more plus for K-7 is (no one mentioned that) : "Horizon Correction" - It works! especially for landscapes, no need for straightening at PP, and it saves time!

So the question is basically the High ISO results of K-7. There are three options :
  • For K-7 owners : Try to improve our skills in RAW and noise reduction. Personally I have no problem with K-7 up to ISO 3200 (with C1 v5, and sometimes helped by noiseware). But serious work in 7D should be done in RAW also, which means again time, try etc.
  • Upgrade option 1 : Buy a K-X for high ISO (plus a back up body)
  • Upgrade option 2 : Buy a Nikon D700 - some more money than 7D, but FF and great DR
  • Upgrade option 3 : Buy a 5D Mk II - same as option 2, less DR, BUT you CAN use FA43, FA31 etc (in manual mode) !
Nice thread and great feedback from all.

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To calculate the VF size you times the format area by the coverage then by the magnification, so the K7 at 100% and .92 for a 23.4 x 15.6 mm sized sensor would be a VF area of around 336 square mm while the D300 at 100% at .94 would be about 343 square mm then finally the 7D at 100% at 1x for a 22.3 x 14.9 mm sensor would yield a VF area around 332 square mm. Truth be told not much in it. But when you consider the Pentax MX just about the largest VF on any 35mm type SLR is a whooping 796 square mm.
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Thanks, that is a more precise way of doing it and further shows the credit dpreview gave the 7d for having the larger viewfinder of the 3 was definately incorrect...

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Brad99 said:
There's hardly any difference to my eyes in the actual view in the VF between a FF 5D and my K100D with an O-ME3 x1.18 magnifier, although the 5D has better eye relief. I would guess it would be a good idea for a K7 also.
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Hi Brad, I would like to take advantage of your advice here, but I cannot find the O-ME3 eyecup anywhere here in the UK. I've found the O-ME1, and the O-ME2, but I have no idea whatsoever as to which will fit a K10/GX10 camera. Have you any further advice for me?

EDIT: It's alright, I've found it, it actually called the O-ME53 eyecup, it was the missing No. 5 that threw Google, lol. But I've got it now, thank you.

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GaryDeM said:
the problem is that the test just below is at iso 100. the k7s NR is not working at that iso.
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Are we looking at the same page? The first and third tests shows all 100-6400 for all cameras (and 12800 for those who have it). Mouse-over the buttons below the thumbnails to see the other ISO levels. The second and fourth tests include the same range on the horizontal axis of the graph - it says so in the article too.
 
Helmut_S said:
No Steve, it's not close to a 1D. I have a 1D, and that one is truly sealed, like well - a Pentax K7, for instance :)

even the review states it's got seals like Canon's 1994 model EOS 1N or something. That's a long time back!
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Do you know what the 1N was sealed like? It's pretty similar to the 1D models. The only difference is it has the potential for taking water because you have to open the body to get film in and out.
Helmut_S said:
I'd call the 7D amateur sealed, better than nothing, but don't go out in the pouring rain with it...
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You assume much. For what it's worth, I spent four hours outside in pouring rain in NY last weekend (Halloween Parade) - 50D was around my neck all the time, taking direct rain. When I got back to the subway, I was soaked from head to toe, my press pass had completely disintegrated, water shloshed around in my shoes. Camera? Absolutely fine. I've done several hundred shots since.

Now, I won't go hold my 50D under running water and I won't leave it in the rain just for the hell of it. I don't expect its weather sealing to be on par with the K7's, but definitely not trivial or "crappy" as someone here suggested.
 
Joele said:
well according to Dave the K100d at 0.85 should have a bigger viewfinder image than the 5d at only 0.71 even before you add the magnifying eyepiece.. ;-)

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That isn't what I said....I was speaking to 100% coverage viewfinders. Crop has nothing to do with that.
 
i noticed that too. for all the hype and cost of the 7d, its numbers should be higher. it fact the k7 either ties or beats the other 2 dslrs.

i wonder how many people really READ these test reports.
 
I'm not sure if it was already stated above but I was impressed by this comment in the review:

"Despite the comparable build quality and target group the Pentax K-7 is more than $600 cheaper than the EOS 7D and this is obviously reflected in its specification. It offers a lower resolution than the Canon, and comes with slower continuous shooting and a less sophisticated AF system than its rivals in this comparison. Having said that the Pentax offers many useful features such as in-body image stabilization, composition adjustment and in-camera RAW development, which make it an excellent deal for its money."

I would say that is clear praise for the K -7.

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the 7D costs more due to a complex combination of things. some of the specs Are better and then there is an additional cost assoc. with being at the "front of the pack". it simply costs more to own the shiniest whistle.

even marginally better specs are at the cost of diminishing returns. it costs much more to have a whistle that is louder than the previous whistle-king - even if it takes a machine to determine the diff in decibels.

also, the thing is bigger. so, material costs are higher. i know a person is mostly all water, but it still costs more to build a Bluto than to build a ballerina. packaging costs will be more for the bigger body and fewer of them will fit in the container on the slow boat from Japan.

taking all these things into consideration, it is a marvel the 7D doesn't cost more. at best, it is surely a loss leader.
GaryDeM said:
i noticed that too. for all the hype and cost of the 7d, its numbers should be higher. it fact the k7 either ties or beats the other 2 dslrs.

i wonder how many people really READ these test reports.
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kyjy said:
Helmut_S said:
No Steve, it's not close to a 1D. I have a 1D, and that one is truly sealed, like well - a Pentax K7, for instance :)

even the review states it's got seals like Canon's 1994 model EOS 1N or something. That's a long time back!
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Do you know what the 1N was sealed like? It's pretty similar to the 1D models. The only difference is it has the potential for taking water because you have to open the body to get film in and out.
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hmmm - then why don't they say it's sealed like a 1D series, if there's no real difference (we all DO know that the little film door is gone, so there's no point there)
kyjy said:
kyjy said:
I'd call the 7D amateur sealed, better than nothing, but don't go out in the pouring rain with it...
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You assume much. For what it's worth, I spent four hours outside in pouring rain in NY last weekend (Halloween Parade) - 50D was around my neck all the time, taking direct rain. When I got back to the subway, I was soaked from head to toe, my press pass had completely disintegrated, water shloshed around in my shoes. Camera? Absolutely fine. I've done several hundred shots since.
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LUCKY! good for you, though. I had a 50D for a few weeks, but didn't like it at all, esp. considering how much more you get in the Nikon D300 for an additional few hundred $$.
kyjy said:
Now, I won't go hold my 50D under running water and I won't leave it in the rain just for the hell of it. I don't expect its weather sealing to be on par with the K7's, but definitely not trivial or "crappy" as someone here suggested.
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well, it is crappy. just look at Canon's own diagrams - there's just not a lot there. They talk mainly of tighter build, not of any real seals. mind you, if it was really difficult to do, and very expensive, I'd not complain, but Nikon, Pentax, Sony have all shown that you can do weathersealing in a 'prosumer' body. Canon simply WON'T, not CAN'T.

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kyjy said:
You assume much. For what it's worth, I spent four hours outside in pouring rain in NY last weekend (Halloween Parade) - 50D was around my neck all the time, taking direct rain. When I got back to the subway, I was soaked from head to toe, my press pass had completely disintegrated, water shloshed around in my shoes. Camera? Absolutely fine. I've done several hundred shots since.

Now, I won't go hold my 50D under running water and I won't leave it in the rain just for the hell of it. I don't expect its weather sealing to be on par with the K7's, but definitely not trivial or "crappy" as someone here suggested.
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And if your 50D died would Canon have honoured the warranty?
 
Honestly, 7D makes it look easy. REALLY easy. The first shot of crops compared to the 50D, I really couldn't believe what I was seeing. The detail is spectacular.

It's definitely worth a try. Like the original 5D, I think the 7D will have a VERY long life. K7 is very formidable though, compared with 7D. But it seems to be a different type of camera for a different type of photog. The photogs they aim at are not in the same boat at all.
 
Glen from Canada said:
I'm not sure if it was already stated above but I was impressed by this comment in the review:

"Despite the comparable build quality and target group the Pentax K-7 is more than $600 cheaper than the EOS 7D and this is obviously reflected in its specification. It offers a lower resolution than the Canon, and comes with slower continuous shooting and a less sophisticated AF system than its rivals in this comparison. Having said that the Pentax offers many useful features such as in-body image stabilization, composition adjustment and in-camera RAW development, which make it an excellent deal for its money."

I would say that is clear praise for the K -7.
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I dunno, I read that, and it says to me: Well, if you could just find your way to spend $600 more you could get a real camera. I would call it praise that -- if you pressed them really hard -- they would barely give. Or, here's one for those who just don't have any more $$ to spend, ok, K-7 works ... too.

Not happy that they didn't give credit, specifically, to K7's unique features, and mask AF accuracy differences -- that would be in favor of K7.
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Some calculations would be interesting:

How much 7D would weight if extra battery grip was attached on it?
Same with K-7.

How much weight with a battery grip and standard kit lens too, for both.
And then same with smallest available prime around 50mm.

Then, suddenly, we add a human factor into this equation, strong hands, weak hands, bad backs, etc. and this stops being a techno race. Because cameras are made for humans to carry around, not sit in the labs .. don't they?
 
Uluru said:
Some calculations would be interesting:

How much 7D would weight if extra battery grip was attached on it?
Same with K-7.

How much weight with a battery grip and standard kit lens too, for both.
And then same with smallest available prime around 50mm.

Then, suddenly, we add a human factor into this equation, strong hands, weak hands, bad backs, etc. and this stops being a techno race. Because cameras are made for humans to carry around, not sit in the labs .. don't they?
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Also note that the accessory vertical grip for the K-7 is quite compact and easy to store when not in use. While I could not find a photo of the 7D's V-grip, it probably has the protrusion, as many others do, that fits into the standard battery comparment. Not as easily stored in a camera case as the grip for the K-7!!
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