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When I noticed that photoshop 64-bit version will not allow any of my plugins, I simply stopped using it. Next, I downloaded and installed the 64-bit version of Orion (my GREAT music maker proggy) with high hopes. Alas... all my old synths and vst plugins disappeared, rendering my songs into jokes...

How will 64-bit ever get off the ground if it continues to shoot itself in the heart, like it does? How stupid is stupid?

It would seem that the very first thing these software companies would do is to make sure their new 64-bit offerings worked in the stead of what they replace... IF THEY COULD. And I suspect they can't.

I'm guessing the culprit, here, is gool 'ol MickeySoft. Am I correct in my deduction that a 64-bit program is somehow unable to spawn a 32-bit thread?

How stupid IS stupid...
 
How is Microsoft at fault if Nik does not make a 64bit plug-in for an Adobe product? Where does Microsoft even enter into that discussion??? Is it Microsoft's fault if Adobe does not make a 64bit Flash plug-in for Internet Explorer?

As 64bit OS'es become the norm (which they quickly are in new PC's) then plug-in vendors will start to support it.

I believe Photoshop will install BOTH the 32 and 64bit versions of Photoshop by default on 64 bit Windows, for exactly this reason.

In the meantime, you can still use the 32bit versions of the apps on Windows 64bit and benefits in performance of much more memory.
E Gad said:
When I noticed that photoshop 64-bit version will not allow any of my plugins, I simply stopped using it. Next, I downloaded and installed the 64-bit version of Orion (my GREAT music maker proggy) with high hopes. Alas... all my old synths and vst plugins disappeared, rendering my songs into jokes...

How will 64-bit ever get off the ground if it continues to shoot itself in the heart, like it does? How stupid is stupid?

It would seem that the very first thing these software companies would do is to make sure their new 64-bit offerings worked in the stead of what they replace... IF THEY COULD. And I suspect they can't.

I'm guessing the culprit, here, is gool 'ol MickeySoft. Am I correct in my deduction that a 64-bit program is somehow unable to spawn a 32-bit thread?

How stupid IS stupid...
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The bigger the bus the more data can be processed. In order for computers to go forward, they have to process more data.

Microsoft introduce a 64 bit operating system so more memory than 3.6 Gig can be addressed and straight away every Tom **** and Egad can't wait to get in a bit of head kicking on Microsoft because some backwater plug in maker for Photoslop can't write code for it.

Go bash up on Adobe for not keeping up with demands instead of a firm that does.

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How stupid IS stupid...

Microsoft has nothing to do with it.

Nand.

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E Gad said:
I'm guessing the culprit, here, is gool 'ol MickeySoft. Am I correct in my deduction that a 64-bit program is somehow unable to spawn a 32-bit thread?

How stupid IS stupid...
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No, you are wrong. 64-bit operating systems can run 32-bit software. Atleast in the case of windows, and i suspect all flavours of unix can do this too.

The fault in here is the software vendors, who haven't seen it fit to serve their customers.
 
Even though new machines are 64-bit software manufacturers are way behind in developing 64-bit programs. You can install 64-bit and 32-bit versions of Photoshop so you can still use your 32-bit plugins. Until consumers start to demand that software companies catch up not much will happen. Not Windows fault at all.

Mike
 
wow - i c that this went right over your heads.

the issue, here, is whether or not a 64-bit program can spawn a 32-bit thread - meaning use a plugin someone already has, as opposed ti requiring them to spend money to buy what they already have... AGAIN.

having sampled the level of technical expertise, i will not post any more questions that could not be answered by a grape... or maybe a dingo .)
 
There are some programs (Safari) and operating systems (64-bit) (Ubuntu) which can run 32-bit plugins. Photoshop is not one of them. If you want to use your 32-bit PS plugins run 32-bit Photoshop.

And all of us that have 32-bit plugins will probably have to pay for 64-bit versions if and when they become available. Cost money for software manufacturers to develop 64-bit versions.

If you would state your question in a simple manner maybe we could respond. You won't get too many offers calling people names.
 
E Gad said:
wow - i c that this went right over your heads.
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I suggest that you don’t start with questions that are already over your own head.
E Gad said:
the issue, here, is whether or not a 64-bit program can spawn a 32-bit thread - meaning use a plugin someone already has, as opposed ti requiring them to spend money to buy what they already have... AGAIN.
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That’s not a Microsoft problem. The software itself has to be designed to work with the earlier versions of the plug-ins. That’s because the “plug-in” is not a Microsoft OS function. Each application that accepts plug-ins provides its own programming interface.
E Gad said:
having sampled the level of technical expertise, i will not post any more questions that could not be answered by a grape... or maybe a dingo .)
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In the future I suggest you test your questions on the dingo in the mirror.

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Mike Curtis said:
There are some programs (Safari) and operating systems (64-bit) (Ubuntu) which can run 32-bit plugins. Photoshop is not one of them. If you want to use your 32-bit PS plugins run 32-bit Photoshop.

And all of us that have 32-bit plugins will probably have to pay for 64-bit versions if and when they become available. Cost money for software manufacturers to develop 64-bit versions.

If you would state your question in a simple manner maybe we could respond. You won't get too many offers calling people names.
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Maybe you should look back, over the responses I got...
 
The language you used in your original post was partially responsible for the responses you got. Not saying it was right for ridicule on either side but please use some common sense when you post. Pretend you actually will meet the other person. It's easy to post ugly statements from the safety of your computer but that isn't very civil and does no one any good.

Mike
 
E Gad said:
I'm guessing the culprit, here, is gool 'ol MickeySoft. Am I correct in my deduction that a 64-bit program is somehow unable to spawn a 32-bit thread?
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From Adobe's website...

Adobe Photoshop CS4 now runs as a native 64 bit application on Windows Vista 64 operating systems and hardware. Photoshop plug-in developers will need to use the SDK to update plug-ins to run with the 64 bit version of Photoshop.

Developers will need to meet the requirements before proceeding with converting a plug-in conversion:

•Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows
•Adobe Photoshop CS4 SDK
•Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition (64 bit tools installed)
•Microsoft Windows Vista 64

The SDK provides details in converting the Dissolve example plug-in. See the "Making 64 bit plug-ins" page in the documentation section of the SDK after downloading.

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stupid is when you post gibberish like the OP did with that same lousy attitude.
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It seems that revealing that Photoshop is a dinausaur and it's plugin interface far too old and clumsy for Adobe to even consider a 32-bit surrogate process, hosting existing 32-bit plug-ins and called from the 64-bit world, seems to displease someone, as several replies have been silently deleted from this thread in the last vew hours.
 
Hi, I'm going to get a new windows 7 PC and migrate my CS4, currently installed in an XP system, to the new system. Could you help answer a couple of questions?

Is it advisable to install 64bit Windows 7 in the new PC? Running photoshop is the main use on the system.

What does it mean that both 32bit and 64bit will be installed by default? Will there actually be two programs installed that I can choose which one to run?

Thanks in advance.
AwkwardSwine said:
How is Microsoft at fault if Nik does not make a 64bit plug-in for an Adobe product? Where does Microsoft even enter into that discussion??? Is it Microsoft's fault if Adobe does not make a 64bit Flash plug-in for Internet Explorer?

As 64bit OS'es become the norm (which they quickly are in new PC's) then plug-in vendors will start to support it.

I believe Photoshop will install BOTH the 32 and 64bit versions of Photoshop by default on 64 bit Windows, for exactly this reason.

In the meantime, you can still use the 32bit versions of the apps on Windows 64bit and benefits in performance of much more memory.
E Gad said:
When I noticed that photoshop 64-bit version will not allow any of my plugins, I simply stopped using it. Next, I downloaded and installed the 64-bit version of Orion (my GREAT music maker proggy) with high hopes. Alas... all my old synths and vst plugins disappeared, rendering my songs into jokes...

How will 64-bit ever get off the ground if it continues to shoot itself in the heart, like it does? How stupid is stupid?

It would seem that the very first thing these software companies would do is to make sure their new 64-bit offerings worked in the stead of what they replace... IF THEY COULD. And I suspect they can't.

I'm guessing the culprit, here, is gool 'ol MickeySoft. Am I correct in my deduction that a 64-bit program is somehow unable to spawn a 32-bit thread?

How stupid IS stupid...
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Photoshop is one of the best reasons to chose 64bit. It will be able to take more advantage of the increased amount of memory available than nearly anything else. The only reason you would need to use the 32bit version of photoshop (which gets installed side by side) is if you had a 32bit only plugin that you needed to use. Otherwise you use the default 64bit version.

Be sure to get at least 4GB of ram, but go for 8GB if you can.
carlk said:
Hi, I'm going to get a new windows 7 PC and migrate my CS4, currently installed in an XP system, to the new system. Could you help answer a couple of questions?

Is it advisable to install 64bit Windows 7 in the new PC? Running photoshop is the main use on the system.

What does it mean that both 32bit and 64bit will be installed by default? Will there actually be two programs installed that I can choose which one to run?

Thanks in advance.
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carlk said:
Is it advisable to install 64bit Windows 7 in the new PC? Running photoshop is the main use on the system.
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64-bit Win7 makes a lot of sense because it gives you room to grow beyond 4GB if you need it.
carlk said:
What does it mean that both 32bit and 64bit will be installed by default? Will there actually be two programs installed that I can choose which one to run?
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Yes, when you install Photoshop CS4 on a 64-bit system you end up with two Photoshop selections in your start menu:
  • Adobe Photoshop CS4 (64 bit)
  • Adobe Photoshop CS4
 
E Gad said:
wow - i c that this went right over your heads.

the issue, here, is whether or not a 64-bit program can spawn a 32-bit thread - meaning use a plugin someone already has, as opposed ti requiring them to spend money to buy what they already have... AGAIN.

having sampled the level of technical expertise, i will not post any more questions that could not be answered by a grape... or maybe a dingo .)
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Hey , watch it ,,, You just went over my grapes .

Dusty
 
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