Confused... reasons NOT to buy a K7 over competition?

I agree, articulated viewsceen is something I want too. Olympus E-3 has this and it costs about the same as K-7.
It is a bit dated now too, no af assist light and I found worse low light AF of the lot. Not to mention high ISO is well behind the standard too.. Actually the most interesting thing I found using Oly was the size. They are meant to be smaller with the smaller sensor, but their lenses really aren't any smaller and the bodies like the e3 and e30 are huge.
I think Olympus E-3 is also dual card slot dslr, but no HD. People like to say HD is free, I don't think it is.
I had one, yes it is but it is compact flash and xD and I am loath to waste money on xD cards ;-)
Maybe you should study the Olympus E-3 specs since it has articulated viewscreen you say you want. Sometimes its that one feature that wins out and makes the sale.
Just be careful the iso meets you standards and more importantly the lens range meets you requirements, they have very few primes (not even a standard fast prime from Olympus themselves at any price), and the zooms generally have rather poor bokeh..

Don't get me wrong I liked Oly (still do) but they just seem to have moved their focus to u4/3 with a number of holes still in the 4/3 range..

------------
Joel - K7, FA 31Ltd, DA*200/2.8
My Gallery: http://www.eisner.id.au
 
IMHO it's a matter of personal preference. Brand X has allways something better and something worst than brand Y.

All DSLR on market today will make excellent photos in the right hands.

Canon and Nikon have more different and specialized lenses such as very long tele and tilt & shift. But those are very expensive.

If you prefer a smaller and lighter K-7 is a better choice. But if you prefer larger...

Canon 50D's price is comming down fast due to the Canon 7D so it is cheaper than Pentax. No video thought.

But...

for most of us buying a camera is not a matter of reason but a matter of taste.
 
I've been working and travelling with a K-7 for some time now and like to comment on your remarks...
And truthfully, there really is NO reason to buy any other camera on the market right now
I'm sorry, but as much of a Pentax fan as I am, I'm going to have to disagree with you. It seems to me that there are any number of reasons, but off the top of my head:
  • Feel & Handling
Some people might prefer a bigger, heavier camera - for example, to better balance long lenses and to provide a firmer grip.
I'm 2 meters tall with large hands, I think the K-7 fits better in my hands than any other. (I do have bigger dslr bodies as well!). The fact that Pentax moves opposite of the main brands is better, not worse. Try it before having an opinion please.
  • Compatibility with other professionals
If you want to get a job e.g. as a second shooter or assitant in a studio, many pros will demand that you shoot the same system as them i.e. most likley Canon or Nikon.
Please give specific references. In my experience this is not true.
  • Speciality Lenses
Pentax only ever made one shift lens, and that didn't tilt. What's more, good luck trying to get real big glass for a Pentax. Although it is out there (someone on this forum just got a 250-600 second hand) it's not normally available you just can't buy new the kind of long lenses available for Canon and Nikon. Ok, re-reading the Op, this is somewhat negated, but it is still important to many.
This is very true.

The real problem is availability of LONG and fast lenses and special items, even expansion rings and TC's... And if it is available, you need to order it on Ebay from Taiwan.

On the other hand, the DA* line is so much cheaper than comparable products from C* & N
  • High speed shooting
For some applications, 5 fps doesn't cut it.
The best shots in this world were made with film slrs with slow motor drives.

It is showing lack of the photographers experience and quality if he/she needs > 3 fps to shoot 50 frames in order to get 1 good shot. If you are a professional sports photgrapher, yes, for the rest it is not an true issue.
Get a D3x, different price range, different target audience.
  • Continuous Autofocus
I have to admit that I do not know this, but it seems to be the general consensus that although Pentax has lept forward with the K7, they still lag behind.
See previous comment.
  • Availability of Rental Equipment
It is impossible to rent Pentax gear in the UK (I've been looking!).
How big is the amature DSLR rental market?
  • Weather Sealed Flash
Pentax has nothing to compare to the Canon 580EXII in this respect.
Good point. I'd like to see something like that. Canon needs very expensive bodies to do proper weather sealing though.
  • Wireless flash control
Although Pentax aren't bad at this, the others (e.g. Nikon) seem to be generally accepted as significantly better.
Any proper measurement data to support this opinion?
Very subjective statement.
  • Tethered Shooting
Unavailable on the K7 except by using an Eye-Fi. See Canon's WiFi grip for the 50D in comparison.
True, however, how big is the target audience for this? 2% market share?
  • Ability to Progress to Full Frame
Hand in hand with this, 24Mpix ala D3x.
Same argument. It will never be a business case for a small manufacturer as Pentax to go there.They'd need a whole new lens line as well. To costly, not enough sales.
  • "Pro" support
Such as lens rental vans outside big ball games and fast servicing turnaround (I have to admit, I'm basing this on hearsay).
Comparing apples and oranges again.
  • Availability of bodies, lenses in local B&M stores to try before you buy
Pentax just isn't as available as the others - if you are out on a trip and pop into a camera shop, it's now unusual for them to carry Pentax rather than vice-versa.
Very true. This is a good argument and very valid.
  • Dual memory card slots (D300)
For backup on the fly.
What comparable camera has?
What about auto level with the competition etc? Some extra features some less.
  • Waterproof enclosures and blimps
Seem not to be generally available for the Pentax system.
Available but expensive.
  • Social Acceptance by your peers
"You shoot PENTAX?! Poor you!"
You looser!
  • Really Awful lenses
See Canon's original kit lenses.
Objective data please!
  • Reliable Ultrasonic Focusing motors
Oh No I didn't!
Mine are and have been under very demaning circumstances for a couple of years.

My opinion is that you make the same mistakes as the people you are reacting upon.

You should not put down opinions without proper objective references, some points you make are valid, but are just opinions, believes.

--
  • Bert
 
I've been working and travelling with a K-7 for some time now and like to comment on your remarks...
And truthfully, there really is NO reason to buy any other camera on the market right now
I'm sorry, but as much of a Pentax fan as I am, I'm going to have to disagree with you. It seems to me that there are any number of reasons, but off the top of my head:
  • Feel & Handling
Some people might prefer a bigger, heavier camera - for example, to better balance long lenses and to provide a firmer grip.
I'm 2 meters tall with large hands, I think the K-7 fits better in my hands than any other. (I do have bigger dslr bodies as well!). The fact that Pentax moves opposite of the main brands is better, not worse. Try it before having an opinion please.
  • Compatibility with other professionals
If you want to get a job e.g. as a second shooter or assitant in a studio, many pros will demand that you shoot the same system as them i.e. most likley Canon or Nikon.
Please give specific references. In my experience this is not true.
  • Speciality Lenses
Pentax only ever made one shift lens, and that didn't tilt. What's more, good luck trying to get real big glass for a Pentax. Although it is out there (someone on this forum just got a 250-600 second hand) it's not normally available you just can't buy new the kind of long lenses available for Canon and Nikon. Ok, re-reading the Op, this is somewhat negated, but it is still important to many.
This is very true.

The real problem is availability of LONG and fast lenses and special items, even expansion rings and TC's... And if it is available, you need to order it on Ebay from Taiwan.

On the other hand, the DA* line is so much cheaper than comparable products from C* & N
  • High speed shooting
For some applications, 5 fps doesn't cut it.
The best shots in this world were made with film slrs with slow motor drives.

It is showing lack of the photographers experience and quality if he/she needs > 3 fps to shoot 50 frames in order to get 1 good shot. If you are a professional sports photgrapher, yes, for the rest it is not an true issue.
Get a D3x, different price range, different target audience.
  • Continuous Autofocus
I have to admit that I do not know this, but it seems to be the general consensus that although Pentax has lept forward with the K7, they still lag behind.
See previous comment.
  • Availability of Rental Equipment
It is impossible to rent Pentax gear in the UK (I've been looking!).
How big is the amature DSLR rental market?
  • Weather Sealed Flash
Pentax has nothing to compare to the Canon 580EXII in this respect.
Good point. I'd like to see something like that. Canon needs very expensive bodies to do proper weather sealing though.
  • Wireless flash control
Although Pentax aren't bad at this, the others (e.g. Nikon) seem to be generally accepted as significantly better.
Any proper measurement data to support this opinion?
Very subjective statement.
  • Tethered Shooting
Unavailable on the K7 except by using an Eye-Fi. See Canon's WiFi grip for the 50D in comparison.
True, however, how big is the target audience for this? 2% market share?
  • Ability to Progress to Full Frame
Hand in hand with this, 24Mpix ala D3x.
Same argument. It will never be a business case for a small manufacturer as Pentax to go there.They'd need a whole new lens line as well. To costly, not enough sales.
  • "Pro" support
Such as lens rental vans outside big ball games and fast servicing turnaround (I have to admit, I'm basing this on hearsay).
Comparing apples and oranges again.
  • Availability of bodies, lenses in local B&M stores to try before you buy
Pentax just isn't as available as the others - if you are out on a trip and pop into a camera shop, it's now unusual for them to carry Pentax rather than vice-versa.
Very true. This is a good argument and very valid.
  • Dual memory card slots (D300)
For backup on the fly.
What comparable camera has?
What about auto level with the competition etc? Some extra features some less.
  • Waterproof enclosures and blimps
Seem not to be generally available for the Pentax system.
Available but expensive.
  • Social Acceptance by your peers
"You shoot PENTAX?! Poor you!"
You looser!
  • Really Awful lenses
See Canon's original kit lenses.
Objective data please!
  • Reliable Ultrasonic Focusing motors
Oh No I didn't!
Mine are and have been under very demaning circumstances for a couple of years.

My opinion is that you make the same mistakes as the people you are reacting upon.

You should not put down opinions without proper objective references, some points you make are valid, but are just opinions, believes.

--
  • Bert
Good job Bert excellent answers
I look all day today to find a K7 to test nothing struck out!!!
any Colorado people know of a camera shop that Carry's one ???
 
You can always use a small external monitor. Many inexpensive portable DVD players have a video input and make excellent external monitors.
huh, thats a pretty clever alternative, but still it would be much easier to have tilt/swivel lcd, I have a feeling with now Olympus, Sony and Nikon doing it, it will become a common feature and has its uses (more convieniant than carrying yet another device in my bag)..
There is always something like this as well:

http://www.ikancorp.com/pages/monitors/V3800/index.html

A small monitor like the above could be attached to a tripod leg via velcro or handheld, etc.
 
You can always use a small external monitor. Many inexpensive portable DVD players have a video input and make excellent external monitors.
huh, thats a pretty clever alternative, but still it would be much easier to have tilt/swivel lcd, I have a feeling with now Olympus, Sony and Nikon doing it, it will become a common feature and has its uses (more convieniant than carrying yet another device in my bag)..
There is always something like this as well:

http://www.ikancorp.com/pages/monitors/V3800/index.html

A small monitor like the above could be attached to a tripod leg via velcro or handheld, etc.
or this:
http://www.ikancorp.com/pages/monitors/v2500e/index.htm
 
to be fair all brands (at least here in Australia) have risen in price substantially in the last year or so..
It seems to me that good deals just don't really exist in a comparitive sense to what we ugly Americans enjoy in Australia, the UK, and basically all of the European continent.

I bought a DA55-300 in part because they haven't jacked the price way up recently. But the sad truth is, it was introduced recently enough to have been overpriced at launch, and as such didn't require an big 'adjustment'. I fear in similar fashion you guys have been paying through the nose all along.

I can say that here in the states, almost the entire Pentax lens line increased in price from 30-100%. At this same time, the products of Canon, Nikon, and Sigma (even K-mount lenses) increased on the order of 10-25% and Pentax DSLR bodies continued to decline in price to record lows. I am sure there are exceptions to this general trend to be duly noted, but it was definitely a predatory impression given by the severity of the price increases on most popular Pentax-branded lenses.
--

Pentax K20D w/Sigma 10-20, DA*16-50, DA18-250, FA50-1.4, Sigma 70EX Macro, and Tamron 70-300Di lD
 
The K7 is the best Pentax yet, but it has some week points. For me lack of articulated LCD screen is a show stopper.
For me an articulated LCD screen could easy be a show stopper. Well, at least if it's done wrong: Of DSLRs with articulated screen, I've only tried operating the a350, and that screen makes the real viewfinder hard to use, because the LCD screen gets in the way of your nose. An articulated screen is fine, but only if it otherwise preserves the ergonomics of the camera.
Agreed.

Just to suit a few purchasers and maybe a few of my shots, I would not want the articulated screen to hamper the 99.9999% of my shots where I don't need it. In fact, I have never needed one yet! So, I would rather not have an articulated screen if it means that it has to stick farhter out the back of the camera and therefore make the use of the VF that much harder to use.

If I really need an articualted LCD screen, I think I would invest in a stand alone 3rd party screen that can be purchased and plugged into the video out of the camera. In fact, I do not see why Pentax doesn't offer a scree as an option for those who may require this piece of equipment.
--
Lance B
http://www.pbase.com/lance_b

 
You have to match the features with your needs.

It's very easy to "create some needs" that will match the camera you think you want.
Very true.
Weather-resistance, magnesium-body and the small size is really not that big of a deal. Inbody-stabilization is though.
That depends on your usage. Weather resistance and a tripod made my two-week camping trip an enjoyable photographic experience in spite of it mostly raining. The tripod negated my need for in-body or any kind of shake reduction. I'll never go back to an un-sealed body
Autofocus is a big deal, and the K-7 is seriously lacking here. There are workarounds of course (manual and prefocus).
Based on my experience (and addressing one of your later posts), the AF-C isn't perfect but it's a LOT better than it has been. This includes someone running towards me (admittedly not an olympic sprinter). The results were much better than I'd ever have expected based on my previous experience with the k10d
If you plan to shoot flowers, insects and landscapes you can come a long way with a less expensive camera. An umbrella and a plastic-bag will provide inexpensive weather-resistance :-)
LOL! I remember shooting birds with my DS2 and 400mm, wrapped in a plastic bag. It works, but I wouldn't trust it quite as much as proper sealing ;)

Just a sample of the weather my k7 was subjected to for the better part of 14 days:


 
How big is big? I did a 30"x20" and was happy with the results. The lens (sigma 10-20 @ 20mm) was more of a limiting factor than the camera.
 
I dunno how the K7 feels in my hand because I've never actually seen one in person, but considering the numerous reviews, I'm willing to bet it'll handle atleast decently.

However, I will say that after handling the Canon T1i at a local Best Buy, I absolutely hated it. The handle/grip was awkward and small. I had never thought about the handling of the grip until then.
 
I went down to Cremorne Point Wharf (Sydney) two nights ago to get some pics of the sunset over the Harbour Bridge. When I got down there, two other fellas were setup waiting for the light to fade to get some pictures. Both had Canons, I had my K10D.

I'd be pretty confident in saying that I took just as much enjoyment standing by the water taking some great shots as they did. I'd also be pretty confident that the photos from the K10 and DA*16-50 stacks up pretty well compared against the photos that the other two will produce.

It was lovely speaking to the guys using other kit.....and even lovelier to tell them how my camera had great in camera shake reduction and water proofing and didn't cost me an arm and a leg to get into.

Life's good! ;-)
 
The other posts have covered the technical pluses and minuses; to summarise, all high-end DSLRs produce great photos and there is no real technological winner. IF you are thinking of turning pro there can be advantages of Canon/Nikon over Pentax.

However, when it comes to using the camera the most important thing is how it feels in your hand. I have two brothers and a son who are all about the same size as me. We all use very different caneras and don't like anyone else's. For me K-7 is almost perfect, K20 just a shade too big. One brother prefers D300/700, the other E510. Son loves 5D.
This is perfectly put, Gerry.
--
Gerry


First camera 1953, first Pentax 1983, first DSLR 2006
http://www.pbase.com/gerrywinterbourne
--
Lance B
http://www.pbase.com/lance_b

 
I'm 2 meters tall with large hands, I think the K-7 fits better in my hands than any other. (I do have bigger dslr bodies as well!). The fact that Pentax moves opposite of the main brands is better, not worse. Try it before having an opinion please.
The statement was "some people prefer" and your refutation is basically 'I don't so it's better'. Really? That's not a reason, it's an opinion.
The best shots in this world were made with film slrs with slow motor drives.

It is showing lack of the photographers experience and quality if he/she needs > 3 fps to shoot 50 frames in order to get 1 good shot. If you are a professional sports photgrapher, yes, for the rest it is not an true issue.
Get a D3x, different price range, different target audience.
Okay, the basic of the statement "The best shots in the world" is an opinion, and fairly smug, considering it excludes every digital photo ever taken. And how gracious of you to determine how other photographers work and what they need. Because there is only one true way to work, and any other method is wrong.
  • Continuous Autofocus
I have to admit that I do not know this, but it seems to be the general consensus that although Pentax has lept forward with the K7, they still lag behind.
See previous comment.
Real men don't even need autofocus, lol. Again, that's an opinion about other people's workflow, process and what they need to accomplish that.
How big is the amature DSLR rental market?
How big is the rental DSLR market? Define amateur. How many people that have to rent a camera or second camera are making their living at photography?
  • Tethered Shooting
Unavailable on the K7 except by using an Eye-Fi. See Canon's WiFi grip for the 50D in comparison.
True, however, how big is the target audience for this? 2% market share?
Considering that enough Canon/Nikon users do this to support the development of 3rd party commercial software, one would assume a decent number.
Same argument. It will never be a business case for a small manufacturer as Pentax to go there.They'd need a whole new lens line as well. To costly, not enough sales.
You make a good point here. However a pro line would potentially be a loss leader for Pentax, bleeding money to drive down market sales by offering an upgrade path. Lots of companies make no money on there top tier products.
  • "Pro" support
Such as lens rental vans outside big ball games and fast servicing turnaround (I have to admit, I'm basing this on hearsay).
Comparing apples and oranges again.
Same as above.

Don't care about the others. The point isn't that Pentax doesn't make capable camera. The point is the original post basically stated that there was no valid reason to choose another camera/brand. Which is silly. People has different personalities, processes, and perceived needs. I have always shot single frames, never burst. A friend of mine rarely presses the shutter without firing off 5 frames. He carries 30GB worth of cards for a shoot. But at the end of the day, more power to him. His process works for him, and he makes great images.

Guys, it's a tool, not a religion.
 
Sounds like you had a great time , most of other gear user's are rather stuffy and a bit uppity
I would love to see the comparison shots
do you have a k7 ????
 
MMM I have yet to see a large print, from the K7 so the proof for me is in the finished product
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top