My Digital Rangefinder Story: Part 1

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I have also posted this over on the Fred Miranda forums, but I thought it would be of interest to many here, so I am cross-posting.

I thought a little personal story as to how I came to own a Leica M8.2 might be enlightening to those who speculate about this camera/platform purely on technical or financial grounds. In addition, I think it would be useful to those wondering whether they should give the Leica digital M system a try.

For background, I am 38 years old and have been a fairly avid photographer for nearly 30 years (yes, I started very young!). While I have had some of my work professionally published in a wide variety of venues, I am still an amateur and will always remain so. Unlike some, I don't have any rangefinder nostalgia. While my brother had a Canonet that I was able to use when I was young, I didn't like the "rangefinder experience" and therefore I started out about 1980 or 1981 with a Pentax K1000 w/ a 50mm f/2.8 kit lens. Since that time, I have never had any urge to use a rangefinder. Instead, I have owned a series of Nikon and Canon film and digital SLRs. In recent years, I have owned and used nearly every Canon DSLR since the 20D, including all the 1-series, the 40D and 50D, and Rebel XTi and XSi.

It was the advent of affordable DSLRs that revived my flagging interest in photography. By allowing me get immediate feedback and inexpensive practice, I was able to really improve my skills. In 2002, I bought a Nikon D100 and haven't looked at film since. I have experimented with a wide variety of photography, including wildlife and birds, landscapes, urban and street photography, family portraits, macro, etc. To that end, the extreme flexibility of the DSLR platforms from Canon and Nikon is a plus. However, I have gradually settled on family portraits, and landscape and cityscape photography as my favorites. I also have settled (if you can actually use that term here) on using fast primes, as I mostly shoot in the evenings and I tend to integrate shallow DOF as part of my style.

In the last few years, as the quality of the smaller compacts has improved, I have been on a quest to find a lighter, smaller kit for my travel needs, as well as something I can keep on me at all times (or at least nearby at nearly all times). I think many of us would like something like this. I have tried a whole bunch of smaller cameras: Canon G9 and G10, Sigma DP2, and several others. I finally concluded that what I was really looking for was a large-sensor camera with either a fixed fast prime, or better yet, interchangeable lenses. So, I tried the Canon Rebels. While I could use all of my existing lenses, and the image quality was quite good, the whole package was still not very small, especially since the lenses are a major portion of the bulk. So, my saga continued. Recently, the Olympus PEN E-P1 really excited me. However, the sensor is still relatively small, so shallow DOF is a challenge, and the noise at higher ISO settings is less than ideal. The lens selection for the micro-four thirds format is also still very thin, and heavily inclined to slower zooms. Given the consumer market this format is targeted to, that will likely not change much over time. I bought some Voigtlander fast primes in an effort to alleviate this, and it helps, but introduces unique challenges.

So, all of this led me to conclude that the best large sensor in a small camera package just might be the Leica M8. Given all of the negative things I heard, I decided I really needed to do my research. I became pretty comfortable that Leica had finally gotten it mostly right with the M8.2 and the latest firmware fixes. I also knew that an M9 was forthcoming, so that the possibility of a compact FF camera was likely, and there would be a good selection of used M8.2's on the market. Since I already had a few M lenses to use on the E-P1I could test the waters cheaply by picking up a used M8.2 (note that I could have gone even cheaper with a used M8, but I felt that the M8.2 was a better choice). In July I did just that, and got a great deal on a used M8.2 that was for all intents and purposes, brand-new.

So, what have I discovered in the last three months? Well, rangefinder shooting is not for everyone and definitely not for every type of shooting--but I knew that before I bought it. Still, you have to experience it to really understand it. That said, it really fits my style just fine, and is well-matched to may favorite types of shooting. With the large sensor and fast lenses, I can get great DOF control. The image quality at low ISO's is superb, and the images are fine up to and including ISO 1250 (although they are best at ISO 640 and below). There is a very large selection of fabulous quality prime lenses available, many of which are extremely cost-effective. The build quality of the cameras and lenses is outstanding. The size, while not super-small, is much smaller than even a Rebel with a small prime. The camera is very inconspicuous in use, and attracts far less attention from the average person on the street than a DLSR (with one exception: Other photographers, who are attracted to it like flies to honey).

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I am enjoying photography in a way I haven't in years. I don't miss AF much at all, as I have always mainly used central point AF, and I don't really like to shoot moving subjects. There are definitely times when AF would be ideal, but I have kept my 5D Mark II and a broad selection of lenses for just those times. Horses for courses as they say. Ultimately, for me, the pleasure I am getting out of using the Leica is what its all about because after all this is a hobby for me.

Are there other issues? Yes. The high-ISO performance is about 1-2 stops behind the current crop of CMOS-based DSLRs from Canon, Nikon and Sony. That said, its about 1-2 stops ahead of the best small cameras, such as the Panasonic LX3. The image quality at low ISOs is substantially better than the current generation of small cameras, and is easily a match for most DSLRs; its definitely better than the current micro four thirds cameras. The IR-leak issue is annoying, although once you get a set of UV/IR cut filters, its not a problem. Still, its an extra expense. The price of Leica glass is ridiculous, even if it is of excellent quality. Compare a 24/1.4 Summilux at $5995 with the Canon 24/1.4L II at $1699. The Summilux is no doubt more difficult to manufacture, but its hard to justify that type of price delta. Luckily, there are excellent options for most lenses from Cosina-Voigtlander, and they are very cost effective--even more cost effective than Canon-Nikon glass. As for the price of the camera itself, I think its more justifiable in the case of the M9, given that the price of other FF bodies from Canon and Nikon. Would it be nice if it was cheaper? Yes, but given the complexity and manual labor components, I think it will be difficult to make a cheaper version. The market for this type of camera is pretty small, so I don't think we will ever see the prices drop too much as I doubt Leica will see any real competition.

I suspect that if this thread lives on very long, it might degenerate into another typical digital M-bashing thread. So be it. However, I thought that it might be useful for some of you now considering the whole M system now that the M9 has been released. I will definitely be getting an M9, as I really want as large a sensor as possible. Given the low availability, I am hoping that any issues with the new body will be mostly sorted out by the time I can get one. To those who are debating the move, I would suggest that you start out the way I did. I got a used M8.2 (better than the M8 as it fixed many of the issues that plagued the early M8's), and some inexpensive Cosina-Voigtlander glass and really pushed myself to see if I could live within the constraints imposed by an all-manual rangefinder system. I see a long future for me with the digital M's; they won't replace my DSLR systems, but the two make a great complementary pair.

Here's a few samples taken over the last three months with my M8.2:

California sunset, Leica 90mm f/2 Summicron-M ASPH APO, f/2:



Lost in thought, Leica 90mm f/2 Summicron-M ASPH APO, f/2:



Inquisitive terrier, Voigtlander 75mm f/2.5 Color Heliar, f/2.5:



Reading the menu, Voigtlander 40mm f/1.4 Nokton, f/2:



Roman sculpture, Getty Villa, Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron, f/2:



Getty Villa, Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron, f/8:



Koi, Imperial Palace, Tokyo, Voigtlander 35mm f/2.5 Color Skopar, f/4:



Prayers, Zōjō-ji Temple, Tokyo, Voigtlander 35mm f/2.5 Color Skopar, f/2.5:



Rainbow Lorikeet (wild), Voigtlander 50mm f/2.5 Color Skopar, Sydney:



A different view of the Sydney Opera House, Leica 90mm f/2 Summicron-M APO ASPH, f/2:



Sydney skyline at night, Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 ASPH Nokton, f/1.2:



My daughter, Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 ASPH Nokton, f/1.4:



Jeff
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Nice pics. Enjoy the M8.2 :-)
 
I too own a M8 and Canon SLR set up. They are different tools for different tasks. Clearly, you see this from both sides of the fence, and your worlds are well spoken. I think your images are wonderful....keep up the great work, and I look forward to seeing much more of your captures during your Rangefinder experience.
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I have had almost the exact same progression as you (although I have only been shooting for eight years). I have gone through all of the best point and shoots (DP1, DP2, Ricoh, Lumix, Canon, etc), as well as the E-P1 and several micro 4/3 lenses. I have been shooting with the D700 and some excellent Nikon zooms and Zeiss primes, but the bulk and weight really dragged me down.

I wound up buying a used, upgraded M8 about a month ago, and I haven't touched my D700 since. I sold my Zeiss primes and some other stuff and got some outstanding glass for the M8, including the 35mm ASPH Summicron, 50mm pre-ASPH Summilux, and 75mm ASPH summicron, but my favorite may be the Zeiss 25mm ZM biogon, which is much less expensive than the Leica lenses.

I love shooting with the M8 and it and my lenses all fit in a small and light bag. I am already looking forward to trading up to the M9 eventually, but the M8 will work for me for a long time. I didn't see any point in shooting with a micro 4/3 camera since it can't fit in my pocket and if I am going to carry a bag I would rather use the M8.

For a pocketable camera I just picked up the Canon S90, which is good for its size.

Enjoy,

Peter
 
Beautiful images, Jeff!

I came to the M8.2 a few months ago and like you, it hasn't replaced my Nikon DSLRs, but it's a great tool for the things it does best and I find myself shooting more and more with the Leica now. I find that there is a certain magic to the images the M8.2 creates that is very difficult, if not impossible to do with my Nikons.

Please continue to post your images and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Cheers!
-raaj
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'Change is not Mandatory, you don't have to Survive...'
 
I really enjoyed reading your story. My first RF was a Yashica Lynx 5000, but I had put it away years ago. About 4 years ago, I dug it up again, when I was reconsidering the RF experience. I began researching for a new one, and I had always dreamed of getting a Leica, so I did. My first was a like-new M6 TTL. Several months later, I picked up a like-new MP, which has become my every day camera. I sold my M6 TTL last spring just seconds before picking up an M3, which is now my backup RF. I also have a IIIf RD and a Zorki 1e. But those two rarely get fed these days, just to keep them agile.

I'm waiting until I can afford an M9, as I want my Leica glass to function the way it was designed. But I have to say that with the M8/8.2 decreasing in price the past few months, it has been very tempting. Until then, I will continue to enjoy the Leica experience the old fashioned way, while my freezer-full of film slowly dwindles down...

(along with the 80 rolls of Kodachrome waiting to see the light of day)

Keep 'em coming!
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'Good street/wildlife photography is a controlled accident,
a vision of preparation and surrender materialized.'
 
Thanks for your post regarding your fondness for Leica. I was considering this camera. But after your review, I realize that for the low light sports action photos I shoot, this system is not for me. I need to stick with Nikon's D3.
 
I think your story isn't unique - in fact it very very closely mirrors mine, except that I started out with a 110 (!) camera, moved on to my dad's old Canon SLR and some Nikons (an F3, 701s and a 35Ti somewhere along the way).

I recently picked up a used Leica M8.2 that had less than 500 clicks on it, a pre-ASPH 50 f/1.4 and an 90 f/2.8. I am still getting used to the rangefinder "way" of doing things - to my mind the biggest challenge is getting my shots in focus (which is literally effortless with my D700 but takes very much more effort with the Leica).

However when I do manage to get my subject in focus, I find that the Leica glass really does add a certain zing to my images - even the '67 vintage Summilux!
 
I have had almost the exact same progression as you (although I have only been shooting for eight years). I have gone through all of the best point and shoots (DP1, DP2, Ricoh, Lumix, Canon, etc), as well as the E-P1 and several micro 4/3 lenses. I have been shooting with the D700 and some excellent Nikon zooms and Zeiss primes, but the bulk and weight really dragged me down.

I wound up buying a used, upgraded M8 about a month ago, and I haven't touched my D700 since. I sold my Zeiss primes and some other stuff and got some outstanding glass for the M8, including the 35mm ASPH Summicron, 50mm pre-ASPH Summilux, and 75mm ASPH summicron, but my favorite may be the Zeiss 25mm ZM biogon, which is much less expensive than the Leica lenses.

I love shooting with the M8 and it and my lenses all fit in a small and light bag. I am already looking forward to trading up to the M9 eventually, but the M8 will work for me for a long time. I didn't see any point in shooting with a micro 4/3 camera since it can't fit in my pocket and if I am going to carry a bag I would rather use the M8.

For a pocketable camera I just picked up the Canon S90, which is good for its size.

Enjoy,

Peter
Zeiss and Leica are both very good. Don't dismiss giving some of the old lenses a try too. They are very good and underrated.
 
I am hoping to have an M someday as well.

May I ask where you picked up a great deal on a used M8.2?
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Tommy
 
I'm also fairly new to my M8 (couldn't justify an M8.2). For the last several months I have been using M fit lenses on a Panasonic G1 and on my M6. I finally decided to give up the M6 and get the M8.

In many ways the two cameras are an excellent fit, M8 for wide angle and general use, G1 for macro and telephoto and able to use the M lenses if required.

What really impressed me is how like my M6 the M8 is. I am really pleased with it, and the results from it.

M9 - well, never say never, but I'd have to justify it somehow.
 
A wonderful story very well put together, Jeff. Thanks for sharing.

As I was reading it, I can't help reflecting on my own story...except that I couldn't have put it across the way you did :-) I think your story had struck a chord with several of us, hence the responses. I only wish the distance were smaller, so a lot more of us could get together and share stories and photos more personally. Wouldn't it be more fun?

If I might digress slightly, I echo your opinion of the CV glass. I own a couple of them and found them to be incredibly good. My favourite is the 35mm Nokton f1.4 s.c. I had borrowed a 35mm Summicron ("the bokeh king") from a friend with an intention to buy it from him.

I'm now not so convinced I could justify the price (1,xxx). I've done some side by side comparison with my Nokton and see some difference in sharpness at f2, but other than that I can't really tell the difference. I'll post some of those comparison later if anyone is interested. They were done outdoor on tripod, not in a lab.

I would have liked a chance to try some Zeiss glass as well after hearing several good comments on them, alas there seems to be no distributor here in Bangkok.

-Akarin
 
Thank you for the story behind your shots (great portfolio !). I share your opinion about CV lenses, my Nokton 50/1.5 and Heliar 15/4.5 were the most used lenses on my recent trip to Southern France. If you read Sean Reid´s tests, there is not really much optical difference, not relevant for me. IQ, size, excellent wide angles made me switch from Canon to Leica. The M9 is kind of deja vu for me, in my youth I had a wet laboratory and used an old Voigtlander Vito B RF camera from my father, later an Olympus 35SP RF, then Nikon and Canon DSLR.

Cheers

Carsten
 

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