DA 15 Review up at Photozone

Offtopic, but that combo K-7 + FA31 is really nice looking. Yes, a bit off to want equipment for good looks, but...

And speaking of that (and a bit on topic again), the K-7 and the DA15 is also a very beautiful couple.
I agree :) I think the K-7 was almost made for the Limited lenses!
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Can I use the lens on fullframe (film) Pentax cameras?
.. the lens has the image circle suitable for APS-C, that is one reason why it can be so small. There is significant vignetting on a film SLR (I just checked to make sure).

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In the UK we get free (slighty misleading) healthcare and everything else is more expensive than in the US...

Easy for someone who pays $550 for a lens compared to $1300 for the same lens to say stop whining!

Ah well, at least we get the weather over here in the UK....
Yeah, and the beer is better too. :-)
 
Wow, fantastic review and exactly what I thought the results would be as far as IQ is concerned.

The beauty of this review is that the Pentax knockers can't say that I am biased as this review says it all. Stick that where the sun don't shine Pentax naysayers. :-)

Looks like another Limited lens will go into my bag. :-)
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Lance,

I don't think that you would find this lens to be anything less than what we have come to expect fo most of the Pentax Ltds.

Back in April I ran some comparative images utilizing the DA 15, DA*16-50 and the DA 12-24. Some of the images can be seen at http://www.pbase.com/scgushue/da_wides_comp . In my original posting on the forum I made no distinctions, comparisons, nor did I express any opinonson the lens. I simply asked anyone caring to view the images to form their own opinion.

The humor in reviews with opinions, is that there is always an S.O.B. out there that always knows more than a qualitfied reviewer.

I think the lens is a welcome addition to the format and it's strengths clearly outweigh the shortcomings common to ALL extreme wide angles.
Thank you for your considered reply, Stephen.

As a matter of interest, what is your opinion on the 3 lenses you "tested" above?
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La Poder wrote:
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I have it on good authority that the price of the lens in question will be rising from £600 to £800 very shortly in the UK (srs microsystems)

So, if this happens and the prices remain the same Stateside then it wil be something like this;

UK £800 ($1302.96)

US $550
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Granted, but conversely, the same lens bought from the US is 335BP so in the end that is still better than most of the rest of the world having the advantage on the exchange rate. Strange that the price outside the US is so high, but the same can be said in Canada where the price in most stores is between $750-800CDN w/o the exchange rate advantage !

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Lance,

I have always liked the sharpness of the DA12-24.

Ned made sure I got a nice DA*16-50 and I think it is good from 16-17mm and very good to excellent from 18mm forward. Color balance and contrast are superb.

The DA 15mm performs as well as any of the above with a degree of sharpness centrally that can be pixel peeped but not readily noticed even in large prints.

I personally find the output of the above lenses not to be drastically different overall. I do prefer the color rendering of the DA15 and the DA* to the DA12-24.

Additionally, the DA12-24 seems to overexpose by perhaps a quarter of a stop compared to the others. Why this happens....?.... I don't know. Coatings?

Where I have found the DA 15mm most valuable is in it's compactness, quick focus and dependable output when stopped down anywhere between a half stop and f8. I don't find curvature to be problematic at all in a lens with this degree of coverage.

Consistant with all these wide angles (as well as with Nikon and Canon wides) CA is problematic at the edges. I purchased the K 7 a while back but have not had time to unbox it. It will be interesting to see if the in house CA corrections are superior to CS3 or just a gimmick.

Early in my career I had the Pentax's FF 15mm. While it was an outstanding film lens (and a work of art) it did not produce particularly sharp images on a sensor. This DA15 can produce sharp images and is a heck of a lot of lens and output for the money.

Stephen

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... I do prefer the color rendering of the DA15 and the DA* to the DA12-24.

Stephen
That's one thing that attracted me to the DA15. I just loved the way it rendered the images I've seen. They seem to have an un-describable quality (some call it microcontrast) that I like. Sharpness is not everything in a lens, and the flare resistence, color rendering, low distortion, low CA all contribute to the image feel.

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Stephen,

Thank you for your response. Much appreciated.
Lance,

I have always liked the sharpness of the DA12-24.
Yes, it is very sharp, but for some reason I am not as enarmoured with it as many are. I like to use the DA14 in preference and this is part of the reason for my purchasing the DA15, which I hope to pick up tomorrow. :-) The DA12-24 doesn't focus as closely as the DA14 (or DA15) nor does it have DOF scale, which I use extensively.
Ned made sure I got a nice DA*16-50 and I think it is good from 16-17mm and very good to excellent from 18mm forward. Color balance and contrast are superb.
Yes, this is what I beilieve, too. Quite an underrated lens (if you get a good one that is), IMO.
The DA 15mm performs as well as any of the above with a degree of sharpness centrally that can be pixel peeped but not readily noticed even in large prints.
Looking at the Photozone results, this seems to be very true.
I personally find the output of the above lenses not to be drastically different overall. I do prefer the color rendering of the DA15 and the DA* to the DA12-24.
This would be to do with the Limited type design, I would say. Limiteds do seem to have wonderful colour.
Additionally, the DA12-24 seems to overexpose by perhaps a quarter of a stop compared to the others. Why this happens....?.... I don't know. Coatings?
I have found this, too.
Where I have found the DA 15mm most valuable is in it's compactness, quick focus and dependable output when stopped down anywhere between a half stop and f8. I don't find curvature to be problematic at all in a lens with this degree of coverage.
The small size is a reason for my purchasing it, but the colour balance and overall IQ are the other advantages I see.
Consistant with all these wide angles (as well as with Nikon and Canon wides) CA is problematic at the edges. I purchased the K 7 a while back but have not had time to unbox it. It will be interesting to see if the in house CA corrections are superior to CS3 or just a gimmick.
CA is easily correctable in post process RAW, as you know, so I do not find it so much an issue with most lenses. Having said that, I do find the CA of the DA12-24 more difficult to correct than any of my other lenses. I am using Silkypix and in some cases, the CA cannot be completely removed, esepecially if I use the distortion correction in correlation to the CA removal, whereas with other lenses it is easily removed even with distortion correction. This only happens in sometimes, so I am not sure of the problem. The DA*16-50 ends up looking so nice when compared to the DA12-24 for a similar scene.
Early in my career I had the Pentax's FF 15mm. While it was an outstanding film lens (and a work of art) it did not produce particularly sharp images on a sensor. This DA15 can produce sharp images and is a heck of a lot of lens and output for the money.
As you know, the A15 was a FF lens and hugely wide, whereas the DA15 is really a 23mm equivalent, so you can forgive the A15 for being not quite that good. ;-)
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... I do prefer the color rendering of the DA15 and the DA* to the DA12-24.

Stephen
That's one thing that attracted me to the DA15. I just loved the way it rendered the images I've seen. They seem to have an un-describable quality (some call it microcontrast) that I like. Sharpness is not everything in a lens, and the flare resistence, color rendering, low distortion, low CA all contribute to the image feel.
Yep, and why I've decided to get one. That "Limited" look is quite enticing. :-)
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That's one thing that attracted me to the DA15. I just loved the way it rendered the images I've seen. They seem to have an un-describable quality (some call it microcontrast) that I like. Sharpness is not everything in a lens, and the flare resistence, color rendering, low distortion, low CA all contribute to the image feel.
I find this to be true of all the DA Limiteds I've used, and that's why I don't put too much stock in lens reviews that are primarily about resolution numbers generated from shooting test charts. There's just way more to a good lens than that.

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Wow, that bag looks perfect for my set of Limiteds and FA35/2. Where did you by it?
/J
It will suit because it is in fact the Pentax DA Limited Case!

I got mine from B&H

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/608404-REG/Pentax_85122_DA_Limited_Lens_Case.html

It's not ideal (the rings you can attach a strap to means that the zip faces to the ground when be carried that way - I don't see the zipper coming undown but if it wasn't zipped up properly a lens could drop out but you'd have to be a real clutz to let that happen) but it's perfect for the way I have loaded it there. On Sunday I took a walk with the K-7 body and lens attached and this small case [took a light strap off a LowePro case to sling it over my shoulder] with Limiteds loaded -- simplicity in itself, nothing else to worry about!

Regards

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Just getting a little wary of some of the threads that have been up recently, and some of the trollish types. I have been quite inactive on any forum for awhile because I got tired of what was being said.

I wanted to post this but figured that somehow it would go from "Hey! Nice Review!" to bizarre places quickly.

Hopefully I will be proven wrong!
thanks for the link, I had been looking forward to the testing from Klaus.

I do follow your point though. It seems one can hardly write anything positive about Pentax, before you have hyenas running in from other forums, trying to create a havoc of the thread. (Have not read through this one yet, to see how it went)

Lance had some thoughts on the DA15, compared to 14/2.8 and the 12-24/4 here :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=33435412
Actually, the only surprise here is just how good center sharpness is even wide open - as they said, "stunningly high". It's actually about the highest score of any Pentax lens in that department - of the usual suspects, only the FA43 beats it noticeably at f/4, and that's two stops down.
you're right, well spotted.
The DA15 has relatively soft corners (but not terrible for a wide angle, either) until you stop down - just as everyone has reported. They mention that this is exacerbated by feild curvature - would be interesting to see just how much that actually affected the numbers (do they test corner sharpness on a flat chart focused in the center?)
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