Pelican Case, here is their protection testing :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2KnidV_Ww&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgEefnTeOGU
OK Daig It's your turn, let's see some filter "protection" testing ............
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Need a protective filter for my new 24-70
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2KnidV_Ww&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgEefnTeOGU
OK Daig It's your turn, let's see some filter "protection" testing ............
Proparoo
Senior Member
I really think your tone and attitude sucks...
Get off your "scientific data" trip...
We don't need data to tell us what we think. I am not getting a filter for any other reason then it is seems to be the right thing to do. No company "sold" me on the idea, i am a big boy and I came up with this idea all by myself.
Replies like yours are what I hate about DPR
We all need to just go out and shoot more and enjoy the process.
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Rich
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Get off your "scientific data" trip...
We don't need data to tell us what we think. I am not getting a filter for any other reason then it is seems to be the right thing to do. No company "sold" me on the idea, i am a big boy and I came up with this idea all by myself.
Replies like yours are what I hate about DPR
We all need to just go out and shoot more and enjoy the process.
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Rich
http://www.richbaum.smugmug.com
Proparoo
Senior Member
Then why does the 200-400 f4 come with a protective filter from the factory?
Answer that one Mr. VRII
Nikon Zoom Telephoto AF Zoom Nikkor 200-400mm f/4 G-AFS ED-IF VR (Vibration Reduction) Autofocus Lens
Nikon
LN-1 Lens Strap
B&H# NILN1 | Mfr# 4151
o Features
A neck strap designed specifically for super tele-photo lenses.
Rich
http://www.richbaum.smugmug.com
Answer that one Mr. VRII
Nikon Zoom Telephoto AF Zoom Nikkor 200-400mm f/4 G-AFS ED-IF VR (Vibration Reduction) Autofocus Lens
- Dedicated Front Lens Cover
- Rear Lens Cap
- 52mm Drop-In Filter Holder
- NC Clear Filter
- HK-30 Lens Hood
- CL-L2 Lens Case
- LN-1 Lens Strap
Nikon
LN-1 Lens Strap
B&H# NILN1 | Mfr# 4151
o Features
A neck strap designed specifically for super tele-photo lenses.
- 5-Year Warranty (1-Year International + 4-Year USA Extension)
Rich
http://www.richbaum.smugmug.com
sure, as soon as you get off your alice in wonderland trip
Like I stated earlier, you can buy anything you'd like for your gear, it is 100% your right. That does not change the fact that filters offer no protection and they have zero data to back up any protection claim.
It's just like make up, you can pay $50 for eye shadow, it won't protect your eyes, but if it gives you a good emotional feeling, go for it. Just don't go around saying it offers "protection"
Uhmmmm, so anyone who asks for scientific data you hate? interesting
Agree with you 1,000% there, caught this little booger in my backyard yesterday, 105mm F/4 Micro, no filters
There is always the exception to the rule, and I can understand why you'd like to hang on to the exception, like a life vest in order to prevent the "protection" claim from completely sinking to the bottom of the ocean.
To answer your question, this is not an "aftermarket filter", it is indeed a superior quality glass element which was carefully designed, by the engineers of the lens, to integrate with the optical formula and it can be removed if the user doesn't want it.
Nikon produces about 65 different lenses and maybe over 300 different models over their long history, I would venture to guess, generously in your favor, that over 95% of them do not have filters like the 200-400mm VR. Therefore, based on your new logic, it is overwhelmingly clear that filters are not needed.
Also here is a nice article regarding the topic
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml
The only 'test' I carried out was on a nikon 28-70 f3.5 in a rucsac. It dropped 700ft vertically on to a rocky outcrop - it then bounced and rolled another 1200ft. The filter was damaged but I still use the lens.
Anyway, which DSLR do you fit in the pelican case you show being 'scientifically' tested. Dpo you flatten it first to get it to fit?
DaiG, that's a nice fishing story, do you have any videos of tests being conducted, measurable data, parameters of the test that can be repeated to duplicate / verify results?
Tell you what, since that lens has been updated, would you mind attaching a filter on your 24-70mm F/2.8 or equivalent pro lens and then dropping it another 700ft to see if you get the same results? Please video record it so we can see it
Good luck
I didn't claim that this was the all encompassing test to 'prove' anything . . it's just a fact - dropped off the Pinnacle Ridge on the Saddle in North West Scotland if you want to see where the 700 ft fall was - fortunately I didn't drop it off on the SE side of the ridge as it would have been 1200 vertical ft.
Anyway, about this case you have? Size, specification and what DSLR have you tested in it? How far did you drop it? I wouldn't do such a stupid thing but you might very well . . . .
Anyway, about this case you have? Size, specification and what DSLR have you tested in it? How far did you drop it? I wouldn't do such a stupid thing but you might very well . . . .
I love Scotland, traveled the highlands on 3 day trip back in 2004, absolutely gorgeous scenery, simply spectacular.
Anyhow, back to your fishing story, what you described was an "incident" or an "accident" or a "lucky coincidence", to validate the results this test needs to be conducted several times, and the results need to fall with-in + or - 10% tolerance levels. SO please grab your 24-70mm, put a filter on it, and repeat, please ensure to video record it.
tvnewsbadge
Senior Member
I'm a fair minded guy, son. I've been assuming you're just another inexperienced youngster regurgitating bits and pieces of stuff you've read (taken out of context, of course, as youngsters tend to do) via Ken Rockwell and Thom Hogan.
But when I see comments like this son, comments comment so completely false, I start to smell "troll"..
Taking you at your word, you only shoot in restaurants and museums, where any potential degradation by a filter would be the least of your challenges and certainly would not be obvious even to an expert viewer (assuming the filter was properly cared for).
You go on to say,
If that were truly the case, you would have the photographic proof, and yet you consistently refuse to provide it.
I like to give credit where credit is due, that 99% theme was a very good and entertaining 'troll", but now, when you claim,
I think you've gone to the well once too often.
OH, you mean like your commentthat you can buy filters for $2 bucks
That smells like a water treatment plantI tell you what newsbadge, I'll be happy to provide it including original .nef files, but first you have to provide scientific proof of the protective qualities of filters.
So there you are, I'm calling your bluff, put your cards on the table big boy
Not only can I see the differences, I'll be happy to provide you with a free seminar to train your eye on how to spot the differences.
Mikhail Bogdanov
Veteran Member
I have Hoya MC Pro 1 on my 24-70.
tvnewsbadge
Senior Member
OK, son, I'm a fair guy. Let's have the seminar.
Fair enough, let's have the "protection" data / testing
lmtfa
Leading Member
I use the Nikon, I can say I have a B+W on another lens that is 77mm. I prefer the Nikon. Hoya and Kenko are so-so imo.
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I would go with a B&W or Heliopan slim protective filter that has front threads so you can put the lens cap back and store safely covering the filter when not in use. I have the same type on my 12-24.
tvnewsbadge
Senior Member
Sorry son, no cigar. You're the one pushing this strawman of bogus "protection" data / testing conducted by special interests with a product to sell .
I've got my own years of actual field experience to tell me what works and what doesn't.
I never said one word about providing test data, but you unequivocally promised a seminar.
Since you are now reneging on your obligation, I'm done with you.
However, I'm a fair guy. If in the future you decide to keep your promise, I'd be more than happy to see how you are able to always tell when a photograph was taken with a filter or not.
Ahh newsbadge, you are about as slippery as the marketing directors for the protection filters, below is exactly what I told you
I tell you what newsbadge, I'll be happy to provide it including original .nef files, but first you have to provide scientific proof of the protective qualities of filters. *
So newsbadge, let's see it , let's see your famous scientific data that you've accumulated throughout all those years of on the field testing at rodeos.
Offer still standing, you provide the scientific data, I'll provide the IQ samples
tvnewsbadge
Senior Member
Lord forgive me, I said I was done with you, but I surely do love shooting fish in a barrel.
What you actually said was
Nothing about any "scientific proof of the protective qualities of filters" or any of that bilge, just a clear, direct, and unequivocal promise to provide me with a "free seminar".
And now, until you're ready to make good on your public promise, I really am done with you.
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