D700 tribute to a legend

"Invoke the Spirit of..." "Emulate..." And you're off into a world of your own imagining, that bears no resemblance to the one I live in. So let me take you back to my reality (as I already shared it...)
  • I was going through the Tetons
  • I thought it would be a good idea to make a pilgrimage to the spot...
  • I also thought it a good idea to look at the same subject he looked at and surmise how he may have handled the issues.
  • I came away thinking that it was well worth it, having learned a lot about his way of thinking composing (albeit in B&W) / handling the dynamic range
  • Nowhere did I say that I wanted to be Ansel or channel Ansel, or compare myself to Ansel. This was only my way to learn something from Ansel, long after he's gone. It was also meant as a 'tribute' to the master using my media and relatively limited skills... As he too would have appreciated other performers ireinterpreting his 'score'
So... calm down and learn something about learning, yourself.

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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
If you shoot black and white, why stay in D3/700 forum? This is obviously a wrong place for you. Up to date no digital SLR can compete black and white film. You should have known that.
You REALLY want to emulate The Master? Rule No 1 - DON'T shoot in colour!
 
Serious James,

Get off your soapbox and and build a bridge.

Adams clearly achieved something unique but what is wrong with trying to aspire to greatness? Shoudl every paintere and every sculpture give up if they can't mimick Michael Angelo from day 1? Give the guy a break. No one achieves perfection the first time.

By all mean, offer constructive criticisms but don't rain on his prade for trying.

I'm pretty sure that what would make Adams turrn in his grave is being sanctified by indulgent and insufferable purists.

As for the color vs B&SW argument, I'd the fact that Adam did shoot in B&W is a compelling reason not to.

Peace.
 
Frankly I find these pictures pretty awful. The composition is excellent, but the colours are garish and unpleasant. To my eyes, each image looks totally unreal and unatural.

Moreover, all three look very 'flat', with no sense of dimensional depth and poor tonal richness. Perhaps the final image is passable - just! But one and two are dreadful - like bad paintings .

Ansel must be turning in his grave... These tasteless digital 'fabrications' are the very antithesis of the rich sumptuous tonality and 3D depth-perspectives he laboured so hard to achieve in his prints.

J M Hughes
I must say that your review is pretty harsh.
Maybe - it was seeing all those uncritical 'Awesome' and 'Wow' posts that made me want to inject a little reality into this thread - LOL!
Considering that the pictures were taken with a camera and lens that can't come close to what Ansel Adams used (an 8 x 10 field camera at least and a leaf shutter lens with a f stop range maybe up to f64 and the ability to tweak the depth of field and perspective with an adjustable lens board) and not to mention that the forest has grown quite a bit since the original shot was taken which really detracts from the sense of depth as compared to the original. And of course the lighting is completely different.
I think it's rather sad that - with all the progress made in every sphere of phtography - we get worse results today, compared with 70 years ago.
While I don't particularly care for the colors in the first two, I don't find them horrible. What I would really like to see is a B&W rendition of the third one.
Me too! I think all three would work FAR better in B&W.
Camas didn't say he was able to match what Adams did, just that he was trying to emulate him and that it is learning experience for him. I'd say nice try and keep at it. One of these times you'll get up there and the light will be just right.
Looking at Camas' shots, I'd say his manipulations of contrast and colour have made the scene look a bit like a small plastic model. When I look at the pictures, I don't think 'I'm there!' - the scale and grandeur of the scene seems emasculated .

But - dare I say it? - Ansel Adams' original looks a bit 'plastic' too. The mountains look like they've been pasted into place, as does the sky - hopefully it was the original sky, or did Adams paste in a 'better' one in afterwards? He did that sort of thing, as we all know!

For this sort of photography to work, it needs to look effortlessly natural and 'real' - it should convincingly suggest space, depth, and atmosphere, with 'correct' perspectives, in order to create a believable impression of dimensionality and scale.

Unfortunately, these qualities tend to be destoyed when you manipulate the mid tones to create a more evened-out tonality - darkening skies, and lightening foliage, for example. You see this equalisation of extremes all the time in so-called HDR images, and it creates some horrible results.

In my view, HDR should be called LDR (Low Dynamic Range), since the 'dynamic range' has been completely ironed out - like a piece of music that resolutely stays at the same loudness level, no matter how many instruments are playing.

J M Hughes
 
"Invoke the Spirit of..." "Emulate..." And you're off into a world of your own imagining, that bears no resemblance to the one I live in. So let me take you back to my reality (as I already shared it...)
  • I was going through the Tetons
  • I thought it would be a good idea to make a pilgrimage to the spot...
Now let me see; you didn't just go there - you made a 'Pilgrimage to the spot ...' !?

Sorry, I think my words were entirely appropriate!

J M Hughes
 
I couldn;t agree more.

The reality is that so called HDR images are tone mapped HDR images. every time I look at one, I feel like I want to vomit. Whiel I accept that frame blending and tone mapping has it's uses, the sooner this garish HDR trend dissapears, the better.
In my view, HDR should be called LDR (Low Dynamic Range), since the 'dynamic range' has been completely ironed out - like a piece of music that resolutely stays at the same loudness level, no matter how many instruments are playing.

J M Hughes
 
Here's the best I can do with my present s/w tools. And... I like it.

Funny, I usually check all my images to see if they may be better in B&W except in this case... with an obvious candidate :-) I completely put b&w out of my mind to avoid any impression that I may be trying to 'copy' or even 'compete' with the master. Thanks for asking dnorth12.



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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
James, go take a pill, you are way to on edge. You are what makes DPReview a PIA... pill now go, bye bye.
"Invoke the Spirit of..." "Emulate..." And you're off into a world of your own imagining, that bears no resemblance to the one I live in. So let me take you back to my reality (as I already shared it...)
  • I was going through the Tetons
  • I thought it would be a good idea to make a pilgrimage to the spot...
Now let me see; you didn't just go there - you made a 'Pilgrimage to the spot ...' !?

Sorry, I think my words were entirely appropriate!

J M Hughes
 
Thanks JC, nice work. I won't confuse you with Ansel, but then, I won't confuse you with James either. What a freakin downer he is.
 
good photos, and great idea. only cc is bw is better. aside from that 70 years of tree growth didnt help composition either he he
 
You're right, it is pretty hard --if not impossible-- to get a clear view of the Snake river bend these days. I don't know if they trim the trees every 10-15 years or so, but I'm Ok if they don't as it prevents too many knockoffs being made and preserves the 'exclusivity' that the original deserves.
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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 
Would you mind terribly if I gave the B&W version a try? I do like them a bit on the strong side, so it might not be to everyone's taste... still...
 
Go right ahead onlooker... I don't really have anything special for B&W conversions... only using PSCS3/Channel mixer & curves. What do you plan to use?
My ancient Photoshop 6 (nothing else will run on my old laptop). ;)

I just mess around with it until it resembles more or less what I like. I don't have any special plugins. Here it is, like I said, a bit on the strong side:

http://www.infobound.com/personal/tony/tmp/GTetons.html
 
It could be perfect, depending on monitor settings (and personal taste, of course)...

...which brings us right back to Ansel... It is the print that most reliably expresses the feelings and emotions we try to communicate...

Thanks for the suggestion.
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John
http://www.JChristopherGalleries.com
 

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