Micro Four Thirds needs a fast, short tele

How is the focus speed on the 50-200 on GH1?
Also, how loud is it for using video?
The ZD 50-200 operates in manual focus only on the Lumix G cameras. It is silent, although I suspect you'd hear a small amount of noise if you work the zoom while capturing video. Maybe a tiny amount of noise from the focusing servo when you turn the manual focus ring.
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Unfortunately it is, I need fast autofocus for fleeting moments that only happen for a few seconds. I like manual focus lenses and they have their place but for my needs on telephoto, I need AF.
 
Unfortunately it is, I need fast autofocus for fleeting moments that only happen for a few seconds. I like manual focus lenses and they have their place but for my needs on telephoto, I need AF.
Personally, I find it faster to focus a telephoto lens manually than deal with autofocus systems, but whatever floats your boat. I've not missed any 'fleeting moments' lately. :-)

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Godfrey-

Sorry... I was thinking of the 14-54mkII which does autofocus.

I was considering getting it to replace my 14-50 PanaLeica which will not (although its made by Pany and has OIS)

Regards,
SteveG
The ZD 50-200 operates in manual focus only on the Lumix G cameras.
 
That's nice, Brian, but he asked about use of the ZD 50-200 on the GH1.
The ZD 50-200mm also has a tripod mounting ring, which could be useful to take the strain out of the lens mount... I'd probably use a monopod with it.
I'd never hang a large and heavy lens like that on the camera body's tripod mounting screw. It is unbalanced and would stress the body's tripod and lens mountings too much.

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That's nice, Brian, but he asked about use of the ZD 50-200 on the GH1.
Yes, but there was a discussion about auto focus, and some readers may not realise that the limitation is only with the G1/GH1/GF1.
The ZD 50-200mm also has a tripod mounting ring, which could be useful to take the strain out of the lens mount... I'd probably use a monopod with it.
I'd never hang a large and heavy lens like that on the camera body's tripod mounting screw. It is unbalanced and would stress the body's tripod and lens mountings too much.
Do you know the rating of the lens / tripod mounts? I seem to remember 1Kg being mentioned, but I haven't checked the manual.

Cheers

Brian
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I'd personally love to see a great 40/1.x for $400 or an outstanding 40/1.x for $800, but what is needed (for the market) is a decent 40/1.x for $200.
Nah. A short 18-180 is what would make me add an E-P1 to my 20x SP-570UZ.

Henry

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Actually, I get that part. My post was more in the strictest sense a reply to the notion that effective FL matters but effective light gathering ability is no longer a function of the sensor size. You really can't have it both ways - else we could start bringing fast P&S zooms into the equation.
Actually, a 55mm f/1.4 on a 2X body would still be a 55mm f/1.4. It won't morph into something else just by being put on a different body.
A 55mm f1.4 on a 2X body is a 110mm f1.4. The speed of the lens is not affected by the crop factor of the sensor.

Tony
Actually, it does morph into something else when put on a 35mm body. It's pretty amazing that way. :)

You hear alot of people talk about "equivalence" on these forums, and that's because the same lens spec will give you different results on different bodies. For those who pay attention to both crop factor and DoF, LXellent had it right. a 55mm f/1.4 on a m4/3 body would act like a 110mm f/2.8 on a 35mm full-frame body.

And portrait requirements accentuate the need for subject isolation more than any other type of shooting, hence LXellent's interest in a very wide-open max aperture.

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A Canon FD 50mm f1:4 with m4/3 adapter isn't good enough?
 
To create a 40mm f1.8 would require Panny incorporating O.I.S into the lens to prevent blur in low light conditions at lower shutter speeds and that would make it just as big and heavy as the 45mm 2.8.
It weighs 8 ounces ! And takes 46mm filters. Granted, it's bigger around than that, but this isn't a big lens. (And would be smaller if it weren't a macro lens).

As for OIS, omitting it from more than a couple lenses might prove problematic for Panasonic, as Oly bodies will start to look more appealing (especially if they improve AF). But I think some people will be willing to live without it.

40mm on m43 gives you 80mm equivalent on 35mm and the ol' 1/FL rule of thumb suggests you need 1/80s for sharp images. But that's on a DSLR and on a compact mirrorless camera, you can shoot slower. How much is going to depend on the photographer. Meanwhile, IS will get you down around 1/15s but that's down where subject motion blur is almost guaranteed if using it as a portrait lens. I like to keep shutter speeds at 1/60s or faster for candids (even low light candids); 1/30s in a pinch (if I've already maxed out the high ISO setting) and then I assume most shots will be tossed due to subject motion blur - 1/15s and I usually don't bother. Yes, I know subject motion blur isn't always a bad thing and yes I know there are shots without moving subjects ... I shoot Sony and am a fan of in-body IS with fast primes. But I can see the rationalization behind buying a non-stabilized short tele and certainly 20/1.7 for use on a non-stabilized camera. Besides, you can always upgrade to an IBIS Oly body later when they catch up on AF right ? ;)

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Do you know the rating of the lens / tripod mounts? I seem to remember 1Kg being mentioned, but I haven't checked the manual.
Can't put my finger on exactly where I read it, but somewhere in the Olympus/Panasonic literature they say the lens mount is recommended to support up to a 1kg lens. I don't recall a specific statement about the tripod mount, but I wouldn't go past that for safety.

The problem with the 50-200 is not only that it is right on the limit by weight, but also that it extends rather a lot at full telephoto, with a lot of weight out at the far end, which makes it very unbalanced.

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I've waited for a year! Finallly given up & and am in the process of buying Canon 50mm primes & adaptor for my G1.
I'd much rather have native Panny gear.

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I have an adapter and I´m using my old fd lens (50mm 1.8/ 35-70 2.5/ 35-135mm and a Vivitar S1 28-90 (this one is huge!)
 
There is also the Canon S90 lens. 6.0-22.5/2.0-4.9. Made 2.66x bigger, it would be a 16-60/2.0-4.9 lens with OIS and an image circle that's just a little oversized.
-- Very interesting concept. Sounds very much like the rumored Leica/Pany zoom lens of 16-50mm/f2.5-4.9 might be quite feasible and very compact for m4/3 systems. Maybe would retract into body in a one lens m4/3 system but give greater versatility than single focal length camera in m4/3 format. By my estimates this lens element diameters would be only x1.6 greater diameter than those in the S90?

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Rereading this, I think it might be useful for me to point out why I mention the image circle. It has to be big enough to cover the sensor, obviously, and if it's a lot bigger than it has to be, it may leave room to make the lens smaller, particularly the elements in the rear part in a wide angle design, I think.
There is also the Canon S90 lens. 6.0-22.5/2.0-4.9. Made 2.66x bigger, it would be a 16-60/2.0-4.9 lens with OIS and an image circle that's just a little oversized.
-- Very interesting concept. Sounds very much like the rumored Leica/Pany zoom lens of 16-50mm/f2.5-4.9 might be quite feasible and very compact for m4/3 systems. Maybe would retract into body in a one lens m4/3 system but give greater versatility than single focal length camera in m4/3 format.
Depends on whether the mount is big enough to allow it to collapse - with an MF ring and zoom ring too. Which seems very hard, at least if it's to collapse as much as the S90.

With the S90 lens extended, it seems to be about 75mm deep or say 65mm from front of the lens to the sensor? Say 65*50/60 = 54mm for a lens that goes to 50mm.
By my estimates this lens element diameters would be only x1.6 greater diameter than those in the S90?
16/6 = 2.67x so all lens element dimensions and gaps between elements and between lens and sensor would have to be scaled 2.67 times.

54mm * 2.67 + 10mm = 154mm deep camera with lens extended. So not very compact. f/2.5 instead of f/2 would probably simplify and allow a smaller lens. But I don't think it will be tiny, if it materialises.
 

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