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I notice there's a huge amount of brand comparing going on here. Someone posts something negative (whether trolling or not) about 4/3, and lots of people jump to its fanatical defense. Lots of words have been wasted on whether or not 4/3 can "compete", or whether it's a "professional-grade" system -- whatever any of that means.

I also notice that none of these topics are ever brought up in image threads. There are absolutely gorgeous images posted with 4/3 equipment, and (in the threads like the Bird Thread that invite posts from other systems) other systems as well. In those threads with really glorious pictures, the discussion isn't about noise levels -- it's "Where is that? How did you get that shot? I love the composition! What amazing lighting!"

Fact is, all modern camera systems (and mos can take amazing pictures, and the differences between 4/3 and APS-C and fullframe melt away when the light hits the mountains just right.

There are differences between equipment -- it's certainly valid to tell someone, for instance, that if they want a good low-light lens the 50/2 probably isn't it because of the cantankerous AF, or that the reason there's so much noise in the shadows in the E-620 is because they left auto gradation on, or that the E-510 has a problem with banding in shadows in ISO 1600 shots but it's fixed on the E-620. But all of this comparison between systems, solely for the purpose of stroking or bashing someone's ego, is a little tiring. Good photography is 90% the user; 9% the quality of the lens (meaning SG/HG/SHG-type distinctions); 0.9% the quality of the camera body behind it; and 0.1% which brand it all is. Far too much breath is wasted on the last 0.1%.

And it's driving off some people, too: see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=33336753 .

4/3's honor doesn't need defending against trolls -- let the images speak for themselves. And, please, if they're really trolls, don't feed them for Iluvatar's sake.
 
Well said. It is those wonderful images posted on these forums that drew me into the olympus brand end of last year.....not camera specs!

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good points by the OP.

Biggest problem I have here is when we get a gratuitous and generally subjective knock on the brand. And then, the gazillion point-counterpoints explaining why a subjective opinion/troll-grenade is incorrect/incorrect. Unless you're just bored, why would you ever waste the time replying to a re-hashing of "the Oly's color myth", "oly's terrible noise", "Oly's low-light inadequacies", "4/3 is done", "Oly done", etc.?

Scroll down to the next topic and get on with life.

I'm really satisfied with my 510, but will jump up a level or two when I can afford it. The 620, 30, E3 are all very interesting to me.

I'd also like to have a Nikon D-300 or Canon 40D system, just because it would be interesting (not to mention expensive) to have another line.

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Fact is, all modern camera systems (and mos can take amazing pictures, and the differences between 4/3 and APS-C and fullframe melt away when the light hits the mountains just right.
Well said. Thank you for pointing it out.

-Marc

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Well said. I have thought the same thing for quite some time. The differences are more in the person utilizing the system than the system itself. A pro can pick up my camera any day and get pro-like picutres. When it comes to a body, I have gone by what feels the best in hand. I have made most of my investment in the lenses and in the time to learn about how to use the system to my advantage. I like to capture moments as opposed to just taking pictures.

No one ever looks at a masterpiece oil painting in a museum and wonders what brand of bush or oils were used. Some much of photography is in finding the proper subjects, lighting, and setting to "create" the right moment to be captured. Some of my best pictures came from point and shoot cameras because they were simply there when the moment occured.

For me, the choice to go with Olympus was all about the thoughfulness they put into their bodies... the E330 was my first venture. What a gem of a camera. The e3 is now my main camera. It is great for me. I helps me achieve my goals of creating memories of the places I have been, people I have met, and the great times with my family.

There are no perfect cameras or systems... only what does best in the individuals hand. I am glad I went with Olympus! I just hope they continue to think outside the box and stay innovative. Afterall, isn't photography more of an art than anything. I know for me, it is a blank canvas and the camera is my brush. No one who looks at my pictures has ever said, "great photo, but it would have been better with a Canon or Nikon". Composition is key.

Thanks for the refershing post.

Adam

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Accurate observation and an excellent post.
And it's driving off some people, too: see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=33336753 .

4/3's honor doesn't need defending against trolls -- let the images speak for themselves. And, please, if they're really trolls, don't feed them for Iluvatar's sake.
Also accurate. I'm new here and have tried to contribute in a positive manner and I've been rewarded with several foul email communications regarding both my images and comments posted in a couple threads here.

Having participated on DPR for some time now I've always tried to keep my email available and this has allowed me to help others who might have questions with regard to equipment I use or photographs I've made. I'm not particularly thin skinned but life is too short for this kind of crap. Easier to simply go back to silent mode while learning the Olympus equipment and seeing if this is a kit I'll continue with.
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Good photography is 90% the user; 9% the quality of the lens (meaning SG/HG/SHG-type distinctions); 0.9% the quality of the camera body behind it; and 0.1% which brand it all is. Far too much breath is wasted on the last 0.1%.
That is probably about right. If you include the photographic opportunities in "the user".

However, people are typically comparing the gear in those posts, so that remaining 10% of what goes into the photographs is actually 100% of the discussion. I also agree that the lens component is the most critical part of the system -- iif I thought otherwise I would probably have a Nikon APS system. (The order of best system for me without considering lenses would be Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus; with lenses it is Olympus, Pentax/Nikon, Canon. I don't know enough about Sony to factor them in.)

There is some difference in how companies approach creating a photographic system, so it is legitimate to debate those approaches. "Arguments" such as "135 is inherently superior to 4/3 due to shallower DOF" are just a waste of time, however, and there is a lot of this sort of "debate".
 

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