Norway, the best place to live

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Unfortunately, the US anti universal-healthcare right-wing propaganda is creating a false image of countries like Canada, France, UK, Germany, etc which all have a very good medical system. France has an excellent medical system - probably the best in the world.

Here's a quick quiz: Which country just decided to use the less comprehensive vaccination for girls against various sexual diseases to save 18 million Pounds?

Oops...

Which country that has socialized medicine does not test women for certain cancers before a certain age because it would cost too much (not cost effective since so few get them--but it's ok, they can die for it)?

Which country with socialized medicine doesn't do advanced MRI's/CAT scans on people who are past a certain age, who suffer possible head injuries (since they're old and dying soon enough).

Don't bother answering.
 
Congratulations on the only relevant post in this thread! ;)

Seriously, the landscape is beautiful, and this one:



is simply stunning. In all my travels I have only managed to see the airport in Oslo. I have to correct that omission.
 
First of all, just to keep this thread related to photography:

Norway has a beautiful nature for landscape photography, mainly during summer and autumn.

Now, to some real facts: Life is boring here, everything is madly expensive, and taxes on income are insane. I used to live and work in the UK, US and Germany, and I did a big mistake in moving back to Norway. Now, I am looking for new job opportunities abroad as this is definitely not the right place for me. I know some foreign contractors who came to work in Norway, and they share the same opinion. The UN did not take people's lifestyle into consideration when doing this survey. Are people really happy here? Maybe materialistiically.

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I work for a living. I want to be able to buy insurance, as provided by my job. I don't want my ability to access insurance limited by Obama's rationing of insurance to everyone, including, as we all know and will find, illegal aliens.
You know, this paragraph very well sums up the fondamental principles of the right-wing/republican/conservative mindset.

This "I work for a living" sentence highlights the underlying belief that all non-working citizens are basically lazy or parasites.

But even if it were the case, could the same be said of the 5 year old child of this lazy parasite ? Does he have to suffer for the flaws of his parents ?
Most conservatives seem to think yes. Even if they don't say it out loud.

You know, I don't remember where I read the following, but it was the most concise, most accurate definition of the difference between the liberal and conservative minsets I have ever seen:

"If you're over 40 and liberal, then you have no brains.
If you're under 40 and conservative, then you have no heart."
 
This "I work for a living" sentence highlights the underlying belief that all non-working citizens are basically lazy or parasites.
Rather an exaggeration. But just how much harder do I need to work to support those who continually don't?
But even if it were the case, could the same be said of the 5 year old child of this lazy parasite ? Does he have to suffer for the flaws of his parents ?
Most conservatives seem to think yes. Even if they don't say it out loud.
Don't get me started there. In New York State, there are so many federal and state programs available, that only sheer stupidity on the part of a parent could prevent any child from getting all the free medical preventative and therapeutic medical care he or she needs. And if one is a congenitally stupid parent, there are counselors paid for by the federal and NY state government to instruct people on how to maximize benefits.
We already have essentially a welfare society. From food stamps that now look like credit cards (to prevent, um, embarrassment at the grocery store counter) to cradle to grave care.

And the NY state colleges actually provide subsidized tuition for illegal aliens (oh, excuse me, undocumented immigrants). Far from being deported, my tax dollars support millions of illegal aliens in the USA. And of course they get free medical care too.
 
I work for a living. I want to be able to buy insurance, as provided by my job. I don't want my ability to access insurance limited by Obama's rationing of insurance to everyone, including, as we all know and will find, illegal aliens.
You know, this paragraph very well sums up the fondamental principles of the right-wing/republican/conservative mindset. This "I work for a living" sentence highlights the underlying belief that all non-working citizens are basically lazy or parasites.
Yep, that's the mean & nasty, right-wing, republican/neo conservative mindset alright.

But of course, once again - it's just a fallacy myth.

Many folks who work 9-5 for a living just can't bare to see 'someone' getting $$$ income support from a government agency...whether it be in the form of welfare, disability, or whatever.

The truth is - very few humans are inherently lazy...it's just not part of our natural character...or makeup. The sad fact is, that the majority of lifelong 'non-productive' individuals actually suffer from either a mental illness, psychological disorder, addiction, physical imparement...or a combination of those factors.

In every society approx 7-10% of the population will fall into this category.

But Hey, that's OK - coz it's the social responsibility (duty) of the remaining 90% or so - to take care and look after this group of unfortunate folks.

Just like any family would take care of a member who is mentally sick, disabled, or marginalized in some way.

There really aren't many people (outside of this group) who actually don't work or contribue on a regular basis - and the unemployment figures clearly support this.

Take here in Canada for example

At the moment we have a national unemployment rate of about 6.8% (which is quite an average rate for this country)....which means, that 93% of people who should be working - are doing just that. WOW, that's a 93% pass mark. That's really good, nobody can expect much better than that. IF I score 93% on an exam, I'm a happy camper. To expect 100% is simply unrealistic,and besides - who the heck want's to live in a robotic society where there is no alternative to work at all times. I don't even want 100% unemployment.

So, of that remaining 7%, at least 80% of those...fall into the above mentioned disabled group. So at best we only have about 2% of able bodied folks who are actually not working at any given time.

And out of that remaining 2%, only a small proportion are actually scamming the system and deliberately trying to avoid working. Many unemployed folks have genuinely lost there job and are activiely looking for another at any given time.

Unemployment figures often include many from the 'disabled' group...simply because they have fallen between the cracks and are not actually 'regisetred' as such...recieve no benefits, and therefore still get added to the overall unemployment numbers.

My wife & I used to feed/help a homeless guy for a few years (before he dropped dead in the park)...he'd lived in the bushes at a local park for 29 years...never collected a single welfare cheque, nor ever recieved any social support whatsoever.

Take a look at the homeless (and we have a lot here in thye city of Victoria BC because of the very mild climate)...and you will see that a good majority have mental-health issues, combined with severe substance-addiction, and there is little to no hope that they will ever return to even a remotely 'normal' way of living...simply because they do not have the capacity/ability, or supportive means to do so.

This notion...that there are loads of people out there 'deliberately' scamming the system and bilking the public out of their hard earned TAX dollars is myth created by the mean & nasty, right-wing parties who really couldn't care less about helping anyone but themselves.

KEV
 
I think it's not based on individual lifestyles as it is asked as a whole. Is this society (country) educated, healthy, safe, fed, poverty, etc. If these standards are all met at whatever level then the country "Norway" hits the top of the food chain. Obviously if these are all met at a higher standard than taxes should reflect that. Some one needs to pay for these social services. I could only imagine what would happen if current government decided to privatize Health Care in Norway to ease tax burdens. Some one has to pay, why not everyone.
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And it doesn't change the basic fact that people are literally dying to get into the U.S. Maybe they know something you don't.
You obviously are not taking into account the reasons behind our current global 'immigration' trends.

New World nations....such as Canada, USA, Australia naturally attract high numbers of potential immigrants (mainly from 3rd world developing countries I might add)...simply because they are currently the locations that NEED a steady population growth in order to sustain a viable economic base.

Canada, the USA and Australia are all HUGE regions that still have large areas that are not populated, and obviously (as relkative infant nations)...need to expand their population base.

It is estimated that Canada needs a population of around 75 million to sustain itself over the long term (our current pop is only 34 million)....the USA should require about 500 million over the long term also (currently 300 million)...so theres still a lot of room for growth in that regard.

Older, more established nations such as UK, France, Germany, etc are much nearer to their 'optimal' population base and therefore 'immigration' policy is far less encouraging. Having said that...Europe still gets it's far share of illegal immigrants, nevertheless.

However, it is also noted that the immigration trend to the USA has changed a lot in recent decades. Europeans no longer flock to the States like they did in the 1920's up to the 1950's......especially Greeks, Italians, Irish, etc came enmasse to America simply because Europe was depressed from WWI & WWII, etc.

Nowadays, you won't find many Euro's immigrating to North America....why would they...when they have a better lifestyle and society in their own countries... Immigrants to Canada/USA are now about 85% from the poorer, developing regions, including Mexico.

In say, another 75 years...the USA will have reached it's optimal population threshold and it too won't have the same immigration policy or attraction.

How come YOU don't seen to know this very basic stuff? :O

KEV
 
New Zealand AKA paradise. Plenty of Americans trying to get in here.
New Zealand "Four million people can't be wrong"
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'War does not determine who is right, only who is left'
 
Here's a quick quiz: Which country just decided to use the less comprehensive vaccination for girls against various sexual diseases to save 18 million Pounds?

Oops...

Which country that has socialized medicine does not test women for certain cancers before a certain age because it would cost too much (not cost effective since so few get them--but it's ok, they can die for it)?

Which country with socialized medicine doesn't do advanced MRI's/CAT scans on people who are past a certain age, who suffer possible head injuries (since they're old and dying soon enough).

Don't bother answering.
You are missing one teeny tiny point. The UK citizens pay (trough taxes) half of what US citizens pay for their HC... So adopting the UK system in the US, you could bank half your current HC bills, which would cover full CAT-PET-MEOW scanning every time you burn your finger or need a patch (you are a hard working man, never unemployed, and fully insured even if you happened to become ill with several deceases in a row).

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You know, calling free healthcare socialism doesn't make it bad. If you're so against it, then I suppose you'll be opting out of social security and putting your children in a private school.

These same people that are running around crying about socialism are going to wish they had public healthcare someday when they can't earn enough money to pay for their medication and their job takes away their benefits.

This whole socialism hoopla in America is nothing more than the medical companies putting pressure on their republican puppets who then rile up republican voters into freaking out about something they don't understand.

All of the reasons that republicans give for not wanting public healthcare turn out to be false, but they just keep on repeating them and spreading around their misinformation.

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The report is utterly useless. All it does is illustrate the social and economic preferences of the people doing the study. There is nothing objective about it. If I were going to determine what is the best country to live in, I would look at which countries who have walls to keep their population in and countries that have walls to keep illegal immigrants out. That would be a much more objective measure, although not the complete story by any means.
 
Funny how some people are offended by by some statistical data for a standard of living. Is it because they are offended because their own political preference doesn't deliver?

As a Norwegian I love my country as most other people love theirs. And like all societies we have strengths and weaknesses. Many things should be improved here too, especially from an environmental perspective. The nice thing in Norway is the common benefits all citizens have, like free health care, education and social security. The majority of the population are i favor of these benefits, and many of the rich people are too. The Scandinavian people have a long history of sticking together by helping each other out.

By the way, its nice to capture photos here, and it is legal too :-)
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The report is utterly useless. All it does is illustrate the social and economic preferences of the people doing the study. There is nothing objective about it. If I were going to determine what is the best country to live in, I would look at which countries who have walls to keep their population in and countries that have walls to keep illegal immigrants out. That would be a much more objective measure, although not the complete story by any means.
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New Zealand AKA paradise. Plenty of Americans trying to get in here.
New Zealand "Four million people can't be wrong"
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Dennis P O'Neil APSNZ
'War does not determine who is right, only who is left'
yep so good even they dont want to live there - somethig like 20% of kiwis live overseas - mostly in Australia
 
For your info HDI measures.....

Life expectancy
knowledge and education, literacy rate
standard of living
economy
The report is utterly useless. All it does is illustrate the social and economic preferences of the people doing the study. There is nothing objective about it. If I were going to determine what is the best country to live in, I would look at which countries who have walls to keep their population in and countries that have walls to keep illegal immigrants out. That would be a much more objective measure, although not the complete story by any means.
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Of course not! They are one of the countries that has to have walls to keep people from leaving.
And all this time I thought they built the wall to keep the Mongols out. I learn so much from this forum.

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Funny how some people are offended by by some statistical data for a standard of living. Is it because they are offended because their own political preference doesn't deliver?

The nice thing in Norway is the common benefits all citizens have, like free health care, education and social security.
The benefits you mention are not "free". You pay for them through a very high tax rate. I have not come to terms with my government collecting and deciding how to spend such a large percentage of my income. After 5 decades of observation, i have seen no evidence that they are willing or even capable of spending it wisely or fairly. I

I am not offended at the statistical data that was presented in the OP's link. I do have reason to doubt its validity. I simply can not agree that the statistics are a good measure of the best place to live on earth. We are all a product of our environment. This environment shapes our thinking and expectations from the place we live. The best place for you to live may not necessarily the best place for me.
 

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