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What will probably happen is Fuji will produce a m4/3 body and maybe a 4/3 body and that will be it..... This assumes that 43rumors has it right to begin with.

Even if Olympus stick with their current 12MP Panasonic sensor it will be good to see a quality company like Fuji joining the 4/3 platform and pushing the competition.
 
Winder said:
Winder said:
http://43rumors.com/ft2-e-5-will-use-supercdd/

43rumor saying it will be a Super CCD sensor not an EXR....

who knows.
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I guess technically the EXR is a Super CCD....
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I don't see why the would need the EXR technology on a much bigger sensor. To decrease Mpx in order to reduce noise? Or to make a pseudo HDR, by shooting two pictures?

The latter probably would be more interesting, if you can do it without decreasing resolution.

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Robert Schroeder said:
That would be a good thing, even if the EXR sensor was slightly dissappointing in their latest compact cameras, since it didn't quite fulfil expectations based on the very low noise level of the Finepix F10/11/30/31/40. In Four Thirds size, the EXR technology could probably shine, though.
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I can't see how the sensor being any bigger is going to improve the technology, looking at the results of the current EXR sensor I prefer the Panasonic sensor in the LX3.
Robert Schroeder said:
By the way, when I hear EXR, I think pixel binning. Why not simply use the existing EXR pixel pitch, creating a Four Thirds sensor with something like 50 MP, and offering a "high res" (50 MP) mode alongside a pixel-binned, low-noise "standard mode" (12.5 MP)? We really could put our lenses to the test that way ;-)
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The cost I suspect.

John
 
amalric said:
Winder said:
Winder said:
http://43rumors.com/ft2-e-5-will-use-supercdd/

43rumor saying it will be a Super CCD sensor not an EXR....

who knows.
Click to expand...
I guess technically the EXR is a Super CCD....
Click to expand...
I don't see why the would need the EXR technology on a much bigger sensor. To decrease Mpx in order to reduce noise? Or to make a pseudo HDR, by shooting two pictures?

The latter probably would be more interesting, if you can do it without decreasing resolution.
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Dont forget, theyve been working on a sensor half the size
what if if you looked at adding resolution, a 24Mp sensor with a drop to 12Mp

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Rriley said:
amalric said:
I don't see why the would need the EXR technology on a much bigger sensor. To decrease Mpx in order to reduce noise? Or to make a pseudo HDR, by shooting two pictures?

The latter probably would be more interesting, if you can do it without decreasing resolution.
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Dont forget, theyve been working on a sensor half the size
what if if you looked at adding resolution, a 24Mp sensor with a drop to 12Mp
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I checked the pictures of the F200EXR and at maximum resolution they were worse than the LX3, so nothing earned there. OTH 6Mpx pictures were sharp, so I am not entirely convinced.

If they could make a 24 Mpx sensor that is sharp, what would be the use of a 12 Mpx, pixel binned one?

OTH the 6Mpx F20 I had had remarkable IQ for the size, so I would welcome Fuji aboard anyway.

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for olympus camera in order to mitigate the softening effect of the AA-filter, I'll shoot 24 for DR then downsize to 12 to get rid of AA-softness, even ep1 which oly said has less aggressive AA turned out to be almost the same. somebody at olympus should become a greengrocer.
amalric said:
Rriley said:
amalric said:
I don't see why the would need the EXR technology on a much bigger sensor. To decrease Mpx in order to reduce noise? Or to make a pseudo HDR, by shooting two pictures?

The latter probably would be more interesting, if you can do it without decreasing resolution.
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Dont forget, theyve been working on a sensor half the size
what if if you looked at adding resolution, a 24Mp sensor with a drop to 12Mp
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I checked the pictures of the F200EXR and at maximum resolution they were worse than the LX3, so nothing earned there. OTH 6Mpx pictures were sharp, so I am not entirely convinced.

If they could make a 24 Mpx sensor that is sharp, what would be the use of a 12 Mpx, pixel binned one?

OTH the 6Mpx F20 I had had remarkable IQ for the size, so I would welcome Fuji aboard anyway.

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this was the price Fuji paid to join micro four thirds...

And at the same time Panasonic and Olympus may not be all too cozy anymore.

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Wonder if both rumors are true, or only one.

One could imagine Fuji giving an improved sensor to the E-5 while 'getting permission' to introduce a new µ4/3 body?

The latter seems hardly revolutionary compared to what is already there.

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amalric said:
Wonder if both rumors are true, or only one.

One could imagine Fuji giving an improved sensor to the E-5 while 'getting permission' to introduce a new µ4/3 body?
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well thats pretty much conjecture, it may be true, but no-one can really say that. and I doubt we will hear much of the nature of the deal anyway
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The latter seems hardly revolutionary compared to what is already there.
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its also in its infancy
how long has it taken nMOS to be competitive

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My understanding is that a 12MP EXR sensor would work as a normal 12MP sensor, but when you wanted HDR or lower noise you could switch it over to the 6MP mode. You gain the benefits of the traditional sensor with the advantages of the photosite binning to reduce noise or take 2 images at the same time and increase DR.

It will be interesting to see what happens.
amalric said:
Winder said:
Winder said:
http://43rumors.com/ft2-e-5-will-use-supercdd/

43rumor saying it will be a Super CCD sensor not an EXR....

who knows.
Click to expand...
I guess technically the EXR is a Super CCD....
Click to expand...
I don't see why the would need the EXR technology on a much bigger sensor. To decrease Mpx in order to reduce noise? Or to make a pseudo HDR, by shooting two pictures?

The latter probably would be more interesting, if you can do it without decreasing resolution.

Am.

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CNET reporting on a rumor site? How does that work? They are lacking real stuff to report on? Well, hope they have sources and Fuji does make a kicking micro4/3rds. I'm interested.

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SirSeth said:
CNET reporting on a rumor site? How does that work? They are lacking real stuff to report on? Well, hope they have sources and Fuji does make a kicking micro4/3rds. I'm interested.

Cheerio,
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CNET is just referencing the site, but I am sure they have done their own homework. 43rumors were not the first people to report that Fuji was making the move. CNET probably is not willing to name the real source, and 43 rumors is a convenient name to drop. 43 was the first site to claim that Fuji would be more active in the 43 classic format.
 
DPR says that the Fuji sensor at 6Mpx binned is not very effective for noise reduction. However it works well for HDR.

My question was about what would be earned on a larger sensor. The latest Panny sensor does relatively well in terms of noise, compared to the earlier sensors, so what would be the advantage in halving the resolution?

So, if you grant the speculation, it would make more sense to think that the EXR technology could be applied to a higher pixel count, say 24 Mpx/12 Mpx binned.

Or even, as a further speculation, that Oly/Fuji are working together on a long term Trine.

On 43rumors the first one has a FT3 rating (probable) but the second has not even a rating. These are separate rumors, concerning 4/3.

Last, there is a rumor about Fuji releasing a µ4/3 camera, which is rated FT4 (real). So there are three separate rumors.

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