InkJet Longevity is a myth....

Bimthecat · Sep 3, 2002

Longevity of ink jet prints: It is a MYTH.

You are lucky if your digital image file lasts for 20 years on the CD you burnt.

ALL claims of prints-not-fading are based on 50 LUX light levels
(VERY DIM). Plus there are chemical/polution causes of fading.

There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 15 years
(even Cool, Dark, and Dry, without some noticeable fading).

There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 10 years (in the light).
(without some noticeable fading)

These outrageous claims of longevity are false.

Andrew Snow · Sep 3, 2002

Isn't this pretty much the case with all printed photos? Longetivity is increased when you put the photo under plastic wrap in a closed book deep in the bottom of a cabinet somewhere. Its decreased when you hang it up on a wall in a sunny room.

No drama - the point is its good enough for what people are using it for nowadays?

Andrew

Bimthecat · Sep 3, 2002

I believe Fuji Crystal will go for 50 years before detination and implosion

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(Silver-based color negative printing paper)

Travis · Sep 3, 2002

Bimthecat said:
ALL claims of prints-not-fading are based on 50 LUX light levels
(VERY DIM). Plus there are chemical/polution causes of fading.
There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 15 years
(even Cool, Dark, and Dry, without some noticeable fading).

Prints stored in my photo album get less than 50 LUX (actually no light at all most of the time). And they are covered from air circulation as well. Granted, there may be a very gradual fading even under these conditions, but this is your best bet for longevity!

I would also concur that even though they won't last forever, it's still worth it! Nothing lasts forever... even radioactive elements have a half life.

Travis

Bob Graham rvg · Sep 3, 2002

Very scientific observations

Andrew Caswell · Sep 4, 2002

Bob Graham rvg said:
Very scientific observations

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Australia

fotografer · Sep 4, 2002

Friend,

Fuji Archive paper also based their ratings on the Weilhem (selling?) Institute rating under MUSEUM conditions. That allows the prints up to 75 years without noticeable fading.

HP based their claims from results in the same Institute, under the same kept condition. That's 49 - 72 years.

Even diamonds don't last forever. In crystalline structure, diamond carbon lattice structure is LESS stable than graphite carbon lattice structure. Then again, do you want the crystal or black soot for life?

Of course, all rated longevity are based on museum conditions. Real world differs greatly...

Bimthecat said:
I believe Fuji Crystal will go for 50 years before detination and
implosion .
(Silver-based color negative printing paper)

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Fotografer

fotografer · Sep 4, 2002

fotografer said:
Fuji Archive paper also based their ratings on the Weilhem
(selling?) Institute rating under MUSEUM conditions. That allows
the prints up to 75 years without noticeable fading.

Pardon me for my atrocious spelling skills. I mean spelling? not selling!

--
Fotografer

Stephen Livick · Sep 4, 2002

Hello Everybody

I actually believe the longevity claims come true under glass and 50 Lux lighting conditions. (ISO 200 F 5.6 with 1 sec exposure)

It's like promising it's going to rain, but just not telling everyone you need certain conditions beforel actually rains, like humidity, clouds, thunder and lightening etc.

The ink jet prints will last a very long time only under very spacific conditions. So it's not a lie but more a streaching of the truth. A leaving out of essential information.

It's done all the time in advertising and we all know about it. I believe Epson should be saying on their ink jet printer boxes and in their advertising claims......

Archival Prints ( when kept under spacific conditions)

Instead it just says Archival Prints. Which is as I mentioned a streaching of the real truth of the situation, that's all.

Stephen

Bimthecat said:
Longevity of ink jet prints: It is a MYTH.

You are lucky if your digital image file lasts for 20 years on the
CD you burnt.

ALL claims of prints-not-fading are based on 50 LUX light levels
(VERY DIM). Plus there are chemical/polution causes of fading.

There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 15 years
(even Cool, Dark, and Dry, without some noticeable fading).

There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 10 years
(in the light).
(without some noticeable fading)

These outrageous claims of longevity are false.

--
On A Quest Seeking Vision!

http://www.livick.com

Leon Wittwer · Sep 4, 2002

Bimthecat said:
Longevity of ink jet prints: It is a MYTH.

You are lucky if your digital image file lasts for 20 years on the
CD you burnt.

If you use poor quality cds, true but there are good quality cds for a good price. The one hazard is having a reader some time in the future. At some point, images will have to be transferred to another medium.

Bimthecat said:
ALL claims of prints-not-fading are based on 50 LUX light levels
(VERY DIM). Plus there are chemical/polution causes of fading.

What is the source of the 50 LUX number? So far, it has floated around like wisp of fog. I asked this question directly to Wilhelm and he denied it.

Bimthecat said:
There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 15 years
(even Cool, Dark, and Dry, without some noticeable fading).

Disagree, I tested 2000P prints in my kitchen window in bright daylight (but no direct sun) for two years with the very slightest of fading. Translating that to a cool, dry, and dark place translates to far longer than 15 years. I think that pigment based inks are changing the paradigm. Now I guess we may have to start complaining about papers.

Bimthecat said:
There is no way in heck ANY inkjet print will last past 10 years
(in the light).
(without some noticeable fading)

Depends on how much light. My 2000P prints will certainly do better than ten years in my place which averages 150 lux or so for only a few hours a day. Other times when I am not home, the illumination is less.

Bimthecat said:
These outrageous claims of longevity are false.

Not always. Depends on the details.

Harlan26740 · Sep 4, 2002

Dear Bim the Cat,

I for one would love it if you cared to share with us the empirical evidence upon which you based your claims.

$$Policy$$ · Sep 4, 2002

I recent wandered into a very high-end framing shop. These folks deal in framing and shipping of museum-quality fine arts--and their prices reflected it. However, the owner and his assistant kindly gave me an education in dealing with UV and this issue of print fade.

THIS IS NOT JUST A PROBLEM FOR THOSE DOING INKJET PRINTS! The fine arts community has been fighting the damaging effects of UV on art work for decades.

Before leaving, I purchased a piece of CYRO ACRYLITE OP-3 P-99, which combines both non-glare and UV filtering characteristics. The glass version is called "museum non-glare" and is very, very expensive--$140 for 21" x 26"!

Here's the link to CYRO framing products.

http://www.cyro.com/Internet/SiteContent.nsf/SeeTheLight !OpenPage

Also read the pdf file #2033 for the OP-3 and #2032 for the P-99. These are interesting presentations.

$$Policy$$ · Sep 4, 2002

Member said:
Here's the link to CYRO framing products.

http://www.cyro.com/Internet/SiteContent.nsf/SeeTheLight !OpenPage

Also the Framing Business News #3084

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