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Hi ,

happy to finally read your dp2-review.
Thee is just one thing that makes me really
unhappy with dpreview, which I otherwise
consider to be a great review site:

dpreview shows a certain tendency to prefer
well known brands, not in the sense that
reviews are skewed, but in the sense that
cameras from famous brands will get
previewed / reviewed earlier than lesser brands.

Point in case: Sigma dp2 gets reviewed later
than Olympus EP-1, even though dp2 has
been on the market nearly half a year earlier.

To add insult to injury, dpreview focuses on
the superiority of the EP-1 with a pancake lens
over the sigma ... that is good for the consumer of
today, unfair to the consumer who bought a camera
in spring, and extremely unfair towards sigma, who
have tried to bring something different to the market.

Please review new cameras in a timely manner,
the way you handle things now tarnishes your
reputation.

Cheers

Paul

PS: Yes, getting a tour of Leica's production facilities is fun,
bit it should not distract you from getting your work done
in a timely and fair manner.
 
Reviews of cameras from the more popular brands will be read by alot more people, as there is much more interest in these cameras. Therefore it makes perfect business sense to prioritize these reviews, as they're what brings readers to this website.

Also, try not to hit the enter-key every 5 words, it makes your message alot less readable.
 
Well I guess there were about 8 million people waiting for the EP-1 review and about 8 people waiting for the DP-2 review.
pjms said:
unfair to the consumer who bought a camera
in spring,
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How is it unfair to someone who already bought the camera? Why would you need a review if you already have it, unless of course you are a neurotic fanboy who needs reassurance.

I do agree that it is good that they will review equipment outside of the mainstream.
 
I'm one of the 8 (or so)

"Per-pixel sharpness on the DP2 is way ahead of the E-P1 and even in a large print it seems ulikely that the extra pixels on the Olympus sensor would give you any advantage."

took a while to find it.

Personally, I'm not surprised theat the .jpg results are below 'par' considering the difference of foveon processing from the 'well worn tracks' of bayer type processing routines.

All I know is how boring photography was before I got my foveon camera. Working to get the best from each image from raw is so much fun.

To me the review is sort of like comparing a specialist camera such as the medium format rangefinder models of the past with a typical popular slr type of the time using the slr as a standard.

Image quality used to be the gold standard of Dp review.

Sigma's biggest mistake was (imho) making the camera Auto focus.

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Andy
Dalinean
convert

Sigma sd10

PS

The dp1 was the only p&S camera compared directly with an slr in one of your reviews. Different.
 
"Sigma is to blame. "

Seeing the large amount of pre-release camera's on this site and the teasers(hands on preview) i think that Sigma is to blame for not playing the publicity game as well as say, canon.
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Andy
Dalinean
convert

Sigma sd10
etc
 
Sigma's biggest mistake was (imho) making the camera Auto focus.

Great point. I want a compact, high quality camera that I can focus where I want and not need to hold the shutter release button. I thought the Sigma DP2 test images looked excellent, better than the comparison camera. Sometimes in these reviews you need to read between the lines OR just look at the photos. No, review priority should be by innovation not just anticipated interest or position of the manufacturer in the market place.
 
convert wrote, quoting the review:
convert said:
"Per-pixel sharpness on the DP2 is way ahead of the E-P1 and even in a large print it seems ulikely that the extra pixels on the Olympus sensor would give you any advantage."
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They do help to get rid of most of the artefacts in the test charts and the jaggies in the latitude lines of the globe in the studio scene.

Contrary to the implication in the review, per-pixel sharpness is not the holy grail. It's a recipe for aliasing - false detail. Better to have more pixels with less pixel contrast. More robust imaging that way.
convert said:
Working to get the best from each image from raw is so much fun.
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I can relate to that. And I think the review expressed rather well how there could be some appeal in the quirkiness of the camera, for the right kind of user.
 
convert said:
"Sigma is to blame. "

Seeing the large amount of pre-release camera's on this site and the teasers(hands on preview) i think that Sigma is to blame for not playing the publicity game as well as say, canon.
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Err... Sorry? What are you driving at, exactly?
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Regards,
Baz
 
convert said:
"Sigma is to blame. "

Seeing the large amount of pre-release camera's on this site and the teasers(hands on preview) i think that Sigma is to blame for not playing the publicity game as well as say, canon.
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Who would be to blame for Sigma not playing the game as well as Canon? It sure isn't DPR's fault that there is no camera available, nor is it Canon's or Nikon's.

It is a Sigma camera, so when none is available for testing, it's Sigma's fault.

A company that uses a quirky sensor to compete with the big boys needs to be especially aware of the importance of some kinds of PR. If they do that job well, and have a good camera, it will show up well at the earliest possible moment. In this case, someone at Sigma fell down on the job.

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Charlie Self
Meandering Mind: http://charlie-self.blogspot.com/
http://www.charlieselfonline.com

 
Personally, I think dpreview offers a great free service to us and its reviews are the best I've seen.

I do think the more popular brands should get reviewed first, but it seems that the less common brands are held off for months. Perhaps it is something between DPR and the manufacturer, but I would like to see the reviews a little sooner.

Where's the Pentax K7 review?
 
is the conclusion. Reading the text, I was sure this was going to be the first camera to end with a "below average" rating.
pjms said:
To add insult to injury, dpreview focuses on
the superiority of the EP-1 with a pancake lens
over the sigma ... that is good for the consumer of
today, unfair to the consumer who bought a camera
in spring,
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How so ?
pjms said:
and extremely unfair towards sigma, who
have tried to bring something different to the market.
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Ahhh, so you probably favor contests in which everyone wins simply because they participated, right ? Tests where everybody gets a good grade ? Never mind that nobody is motivated to improve. Never mind that praising their effort and neglecting the result would be hideously unfair to the potential buyer who only wants to know if it's worth his money.
pjms said:
Please review new cameras in a timely manner,
the way you handle things now tarnishes your
reputation.
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In your eyes, maybe.
pjms said:
PS: Yes, getting a tour of Leica's production facilities is fun,
bit it should not distract you from getting your work done
in a timely and fair manner.
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You get what you pay for.
  • Dennis
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Sigma provided us with a production-spec DP2 a long time ago it's just that it was released during a busy period and, by the time I got started on the review, the next round of mass-market products had started to be released so I wasn't able to finish it until now.

Richard - dpreview.com
 
R Butler said:
Sigma provided us with a production-spec DP2 a long time ago it's just that it was released during a busy period and, by the time I got started on the review, the next round of mass-market products had started to be released so I wasn't able to finish it until now.
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.... and me loyally making excuses for you, as well !! :-( ;-)
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Regards,
Baz
 
R Butler said:
Sigma provided us with a production-spec DP2 a long time ago it's just that it was released during a busy period and, by the time I got started on the review, the next round of mass-market products had started to be released so I wasn't able to finish it until now.

Richard - dpreview.com
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i've posted this suggestion before. Get some warm bodies to help you! I'm sure there is a local college and many students eager to intern for this

by now you should have a good template for the reviews. Interns can help by performing the different tests, taking the sample photos, testing the various timings, etc

now that dslr's have reached the p&s stage of a continual stream of new bodies i'm sure you could use the help

i'm glad for the sigma DP2 review and the sample photos of the fuji F70.

And here's a new idea. Add a new section that shows off the various NR programs/plugins with your high-iso RAW images. Each interested vendor would have early access to the RAW images and could provide the following:

1) image at default settings.
2) image NR PP done by the rep to show off the best it could be

3) possibly the vendor could do this both for the previous version and if available a newer version or the "pro" version

i think everyone would like to see something like this. Plus it might also be an income source if you charge for it; or maybe deals with links back to DPReview.
Or at least you might get additional advertising revenue

another idea is to hold NR challanges where the forum members can try their hand at using the NR programs/plugins on the images

thanks for reading !
 
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