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I've got an E450 (just took it out for its first test drive) and am pretty curious as to why I can't find a digital zoom anywhere on the camera....

My 'point and shoot' Fujifilm has 15x, and if this upgrade on the Olympus has less of a zoom than the Fujifilm, I'll be ticked.

Does the E450 only have the zoom w/ the 14-42 lens that came with it or what?? I really hope theres a digital zoom on top of that. This setup isn't zooming worth a s* t

Also, as far as night pictures go, seemed pretty hard to get good results. Once again, this is Test #1 so improvement is on the way, but any tips or tricks as far as the learning curve shall go with this camera, I'd appreciate them all

Another issue I had was while in ‘A’ mode, at times a button on the back panel would start flashing red after I tried to take a picture and the whole back panel just went black and I was unable to take the picture….whats that all about??

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Hate to bring some bad news to you, but this zoom 14-42 only is 3X, not 15X. However once you have upgraded to DSLR level the most zoom you can get is 11X. In return you get a huge boost in IQ. Good luck with your gear:)
 
I've got an E450 (just took it out for its first test drive) and am pretty curious as to why I can't find a digital zoom anywhere on the camera....
"Digital zoom" is no better than just cropping your images. Olympus figures you can crop things however you want to on your computer, so they've not bothered to put a digital zoom on their SLR's. Besides, there'd be no way to show the digital zoom in the viewfinder (since it's optical).
My 'point and shoot' Fujifilm has 15x, and if this upgrade on the Olympus has less of a zoom than the Fujifilm, I'll be ticked.
This has nothing to do with the camera -- it's a property of the lens. The Fujifilm, since it doesn't have the ability to use interchangeable lenses, has a lens ranging from wide to supertele already built in. Since you can switch lenses on a SLR, there's no need for one lens (of questionable optical quality) to do it all; instead, you just use whatever lens you need for the job, and those lenses (since they don't have to do everything) can do what they do much better. Even the cheap Olympus SLR lenses will be better than your Fuji's lens in terms of sharpness.
Does the E450 only have the zoom w/ the 14-42 lens that came with it or what??
Digital zoom, as discussed earlier, has to be done on the computer. (Or maybe there's in-camera cropping, but that's clunky.)

There certainly are other lenses you can use. For under a hundred bucks you can probably pick up a 40-150 (80-300 equivalent), but the best bargain for telephoto work is the 70-300 (140-600 equivalent), which stays on my camera 90% of the time. I got mine for $230.
Also, as far as night pictures go, seemed pretty hard to get good results. Once again, this is Test #1 so improvement is on the way, but any tips or tricks as far as the learning curve shall go with this camera, I'd appreciate them all
What ISO are you using? I don't know how the Auto ISO on the 450 behaves, but you may have to manually crank it up to 800 or 1600 in low light.
Another issue I had was while in ‘A’ mode, at times a button on the back panel would start flashing red after I tried to take a picture and the whole back panel just went black and I was unable to take the picture….whats that all about??
I have no idea what this is -- I didn't know the 450 had flashing buttons. Can you give any more information?
 
My 'point and shoot' Fujifilm has 15x, and if this upgrade on the Olympus has less of a zoom than the Fujifilm, I'll be ticked.
you'll be ticked.
Another issue I had was while in ‘A’ mode, at times a button on the back panel would start flashing red after I tried to take a picture and the whole back panel just went black and I was unable to take the picture….whats that all about??
I reckon the there were also letters which - when put into sequential order - formed groups like "battery", "empty" or "no", "card"? They are there for aesthetic reasons.

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I've got an E450 (just took it out for its first test drive) and am pretty curious as to why I can't find a digital zoom anywhere on the camera....

My 'point and shoot' Fujifilm has 15x, and if this upgrade on the Olympus has less of a zoom than the Fujifilm, I'll be ticked.

Does the E450 only have the zoom w/ the 14-42 lens that came with it or what?? I really hope theres a digital zoom on top of that. This setup isn't zooming worth a s* t
don't tell me you got a DSLR for more zoom... lol, you are gonna get ticked LOL.... if you want zoom, maybe get one of those 28x ultrazoom
Another issue I had was while in ‘A’ mode, at times a button on the back panel would start flashing red after I tried to take a picture and the whole back panel just went black and I was unable to take the picture….whats that all about??
which button is flashing?

Also, when you get a DSLR, you get to enjoy the higher image quality AND have the flexibility to choose your lenses, there are 2 10x lenses out there for fourthirds and thats the 18-180 from Olympus and the 14-150 panaleica, if you could just get urself the 12-60 and 50-200 (or even the 70-300), you got urself
around 17x zoom or 25 times zoom respectively with just 2 lenses.

With DSLRs, whether or not you have how many times zoom is kinda pointless, it is just whether or not the focal length of different lens would suit ur needs =).

Now don't get ticked with the 14-42 kit lens lol....
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My 'point and shoot' Fujifilm has 15x, and if this upgrade on the Olympus has less of a zoom than the Fujifilm, I'll be ticked.
It has more, but it is optional extra. Please, go back to the shop and ask for 7-14, 14-35, 35-100 and 90-250. Then pay and you have ... lets see... 250 / 7 = 35x. Isn't it sweet.

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If the "yes" applies to longer zoom, then DSLR photography is not for you.

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My 'point and shoot' Fujifilm has 15x, and if this upgrade on the Olympus has less of a zoom than the Fujifilm, I'll be ticked.
It has more, but it is optional extra. Please, go back to the shop and ask for 7-14, 14-35, 35-100 and 90-250. Then pay and you have ... lets see... 250 / 7 = 35x. Isn't it sweet.
Yep.

Getting involved deeper and deeper in SLR territory, you will notice that with every upgrade of lenses, the lenses get bigger, and the zoom ratio lens.

Finally, you can end up with an humongous prime lens that does only ONE focal length. That is zoom-factor ZERO !

My current setups include :
FL 7 to 200 in three lenses for the travel kit
FL 25 to 150 (witt some gaps) in three lenses for the low-light concert kit.

The second setup weighs substantially more than the first, and has "only" 6 x zoom (and there are gaps between 25 and 35 and between 100 and 150...) Damn, that is a raw deal I got there.

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The flashing red light and the black screen probably mean that the camera is doing a "dark frame subtraction" to reduce noise for long exposures. Since you mentioned you were in "A mode" (Aperture priority mode), you probably had the aperture set in such a way that the camera needed a long exposure to get enough light on the sensor. Such long exposures come with noise. To reduce this, the camera takes a shot of equal length but with the shutter closed (so the frame is all dark) and subtracts the noise from this image from the original. To turn it off, go to the Noise Reduction setting in the menu.

As for the lack of digital zoom: No self-respecting DSLR camera has digital zoom, it's a pointless feature that is far better applied on the computer. All it does is throw away information from the edges of the frame to "zoom in", no extra detail is gained on the zoomed-in subject.
 
Bob,

I think you should have posted this in the Beginners forum, you could have saved yourself some of the replies you´ve got here, including my first one.

But what I think is helpful to you are the replies of Entropius and GideonW.

What I would like to add here is a little basics. I never liked the American way of describing a zoom lens mainly by the zoom factor, 10x zoom, 15x zoom, doesn´t really say what I would like to know about a lens. And what you are missing with your kit lens is mainly more focal length, not zoom factor.

The main thing of interest is at which focal length in mm this zoom lens "begins" (its shortest focal length) and where it "ends" (the longest focal length). The longer the focal length the stronger this binoculars effect, what you are missing right now with your 14-42 kit lens. It is not very interesting that this is a 3 x zoom lens (14x3 =42); a 50-150 lens would be just the same, a 3x zoom lens. But its longest focal length of 150mm would give you much more of the binoculars effect you are looking for.

What makes things a little easier to understand when it comes to focal length in mm is when looking back a few decades to the film cameras. Most cameras used to come with just one standard lens and that was usually a 50mm lens. Gives you about the field of view of the human eye, the "normal" look, without binoculars.

There were no zoom lenses when I started taking pictures in the 60s, a lens usually had just one fixed focal length (what´s called a prime lens today), mostly this 50mm, and for "zooming" you had to use your feet, that means walk up closer to the subject or step further back away from it. Not sure when I´ve seen the first zoom lens, all I can remember is some people called them "rubber lens", Gummilinse, lol!

Now starting from the 50mm lens there were also others (mainly for SLR shooters who could change lenses), both with shorter focal lengths and longer focal lengths. Everything shorter than the 50mm was considered a wide lens, everthing of longer focal length a tele lens, showing this binoculars effect. Most SLR folks usually had just three lenses, the standard 50, a 28mm for wide and a 135mm for tele. Everything wider or longer was rather exotic and pretty expensive. Portrait photographers used to prefer something in the 80 or 100m range, so a mild tele.

What you should keep in mind, 50 is "normal", anything shorter is wide and longer is tele.

Today´s superzooms are very strong at the tele end, usually covering a focal length range from maybe normal wide 28mm to 400mm tele or even longer.

But now don´t run to your nearest dealer and buy this 400mm lens, lol, you´ve got an Oly so all you need is 200mm! There is something else you have to know: a 50mm lens on a film camera with negatives of the size 24x36mm will only show the same results (thinking of field of view) on a modern DSLR if it is a so called full frame camera, usually the expensive upper class models, with a sensor size comparable to the 24x36mm of the film camera´s negative.

But in case the sensor is smaller than 24x36 (the Oly sensor is about half that size), you have to think of the crop factor, with Oly it is x2. So a 50mm lens mounted on an Oly DSLR will give you results that look as if they were taken with a 100mm lens (50x2=100) on a film or full frame camera. So what looks like the standard 50mm lens makes a nice mild 100mm tele portrait lens on the Oly.

Thinking of this crop factor, your 14-42 will look like a 28-84mm lens on the Oly (equivalent film), a zoom from standard wide to modest portrait tele, not more. Sure disappointing when you are used to 400mm!

Now for more focal length you could do what Entropius already suggested, get the other kit lens, too, the 40-150, pretty good and not too expensive. It will give you the tele range from 80 to 300, good for most situations. For even more, the relatively inexpensive 70-300 might be the choice, 140-600 on the Oly. A 4.29 zoom by the way, lol! But is that of any interest? No. The 300 is what´s interesting.

All the lenses mentioned are not Oly´s fastest ones, so you might find yourself in situations where -due to low light levels- you end up with long exposure times (or as you folks call it, slow shutter speeds), forcing you to use a tripod.

ISO increased to 800 and IS (image stabilization) might help to a certain extent in such situations to still get the shot handheld; but I don´t know if the 450 has IS. IS was my main reason to go with a 520; you find them today at ridiculously low prices. And it is a very good camera!

The second problem you describe in your post, no idea, but it could be what Gideon described in his reply.

My suggestion would be to start with easier subjects than night shots, you still can do it once you know what you are doing and what the camera can do.

René
 
Don't worry to much about the insults here Bob, you get used to it.

As for the suggestion of posting your questions in the beginners forum, the answers there are not from beginners are they, that would be pointless rather like the blind leading the blind.

You own an Olympus DSLR and have just as much right to ask your question here as anybody else.

There are many publications both on the web and in stores that will give you an insight into digital photography with an DSLR.

Also below is link to the E450 manual, this should help answer a number of questions you have, especially regarding the flashing light.

You have by all accounts a fine camera, and once you learn how to get the most from it you will be pleased.

http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/208_manuals.cfm?prodID=E-450_Master
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Dear worried ladies and gentlemen. May I quote the original poster...
... This setup isn't zooming worth a s* t ...
When you read this sentence, do you in your right mind believe that the original poster was actually asking for help or ... just throwing gasoline to the bonfire.

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As for the suggestion of posting your questions in the beginners forum, the answers there are not from beginners are they, that would be pointless rather like the blind leading the blind.

You own an Olympus DSLR and have just as much right to ask your question here as anybody else.
When I suggested he better had posted this question in the beginners forum I had nothing in mind like missing rights to post here or not. He sure has "a right" to post on every forum he wants to!

Why I suggested to post over there, quite easy, the tolerance level towards "not so smart" questions is a lot higher over there than in most other forums; they are used to it, so he might have gotten away with his DSLR digital zoom question probably without the "insults", as you called it, he found here in this forum.

Answers in the beginners forum are usually given by rather experienced photographers, it is not the blind leading the blind. Camera specific questions like his flashing red button problem sure belong in this forum here, though I could imagine he might have found the answer in the other forum, too.

René
 
Wow, didn't expect twenty replies so fast, thanks a ton.

Gues I just expected the digital zoom, but I really do like how the viewfinder gives an optical view rather than a digital one, something more raw and balanced about it.

The red light that was flashing is the one on the back panel, to the top right of the back. An inch or so above the 'ok' button and to the right. That "noise reduction" comment makes the most sense. I was taking pictures in the dead of night and there was very little light...maybe that was it

Thats for the helpful replies, maybe another lens another day
 

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