That's my feeling too - if they use the same sensor, they must have some new noise reduction algorithms. This probably means that long exposure shots are going to be cleaner too.
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well, there MIGHT be a chance that F717 has histogram, but we need someone who's good at translate chinese to english.
With my limited knowledge, the words below "USB 2.0 high speed transfer (128 MB in 90 seconds)" mentions something about exposure display.
I just couldn't translate the 1st 3 characters in that line which is very important in this case. I don't know if it's the traditional information display or a histogram. Same line after the dash, it also mentioned "document folder selection", dont know what it does. I'm just translate character by character.
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SRX77
TRV-720
With my limited knowledge, the words below "USB 2.0 high speed transfer (128 MB in 90 seconds)" mentions something about exposure display.
I just couldn't translate the 1st 3 characters in that line which is very important in this case. I don't know if it's the traditional information display or a histogram. Same line after the dash, it also mentioned "document folder selection", dont know what it does. I'm just translate character by character.
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Are you sure it's not multi-point metering instead of multi-point focus? That would be much better IMO.
Yann
http://www.pbase.com/ykeesing
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jeff-c
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It appears to be one of the Chinese translated versions of histogram. The actual meaning is "matrix diagram exposure display" to which I take it really means histogram.
The most commonly used Chinese translated version of histogram is "step diagram".
The most commonly used Chinese translated version of histogram is "step diagram".
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jeff-c
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Left column (all in traditional Chinese, oddly enough):
F717
Market Introduction 2002 end of Spetember
Included accessories:
NP-FM50, charger AC-L10, belt
MSA-32A, AV wire, USB wire
Software: IMAGE PIXELA / Image Transfer / USB drivers
Right column (simplified Chinese, highlighted in yellow appears to be new features):
500 effective mega pixels
(2/3" 520 total mega pixels HAD CCD)
5X optical zoom (10X digital zoom)
F2.0-2.4 professional Zeiss lens
ISO 800, 1/2000 shutter speed
Fast startup time
USB 2.0 fast transfer (128MB ~ 90 seconds)
Histogram exposure display
Folder selection
Long time high quality MPEG HQX movie mode
Night time shooting / night scene mode
Hologram AF
Auto/Auto Program/Shutter Priority/Aperature Priority/Manual/Scene modes
Focus zone selection (6 focus areas)
Accessory / Hotshoe function
Color viewfinder (180000 pixels) / 1.8" LCD screen (123000 pixels)
Clear color noise reduction
Clear brightness noise reduction
Reduced noise low speed shutter (?)
Multimode exposure / spot measurement / central weight exposure
Pre-flash
Clip Motion
16 frame continuous shooting mode
Confirmation before write
Continue shooting mode upto 3 frames
LCD brightness auto adjust fuction
14-bit DXP
Jog Dial
ISO (auto/100/200/400/800)
AE Lock
AV Output
USB interface (standard/PTP/High speed USB 2.0)
Intelligent Li-Ion Battery NP-FM50
Zoom ring/manual focus ring
Unless my Chinese is rusty but I think I've read "histogram" in that poster!!!
Literally it says "rectangle bar chart for exposure display" - what can that be if it's not histogram?!
Dang I want a 717!
Literally it says "rectangle bar chart for exposure display" - what can that be if it's not histogram?!
Dang I want a 717!
The chinese poster is saying:
will be introduced to market in Sep.
USB 2.0
ISO 800 1/2000sec shutter
Long time MPEG HQX
1.4 sec startup time
6 selectable AF points.
added Simplified Chinese menu
The photo looks to be real, but of course the poster can be easily
faked.
Personally I believe it to be true.
All the updates seems logical and 707 is old enough to need such an
update.
good job, curtner.
That's what i noticed too....was gonna make fun of sony to include simplified chinese in the menu but have the poster written in traditional chinese.
Anyway. Wonder what folder selection feature and brightness NR are for.
S75-> S85, F707
SRX77
TRV-720
That's what i noticed too....was gonna make fun of sony to include simplified chinese in the menu but have the poster written in traditional chinese.
Anyway. Wonder what folder selection feature and brightness NR are for.
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You may be wrong, those advertisement are written in Simplified Chinese..
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Ulysses
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Likely it's only software, as it would involve recognition points. Selection of which areas of contrast that the camera would pay "more attention to" than others.
Ulysses
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Ulysses
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I don't read Chinese. 
I'm just going off of what the other fellow said.
HOWEVER... Sony has been hinting at this for several cameras now, starting with the P71. That camera has a type of multi-point focusing, but it's rather "dumb". It's not active, like what is likely to be the case in the F707.
Even the CD400 has a 5-point Multi-focus, as indicated by the Imaging Resource:
They say:
"The CD400 has a total of 5 autofocus areas. The CD400's autofocus system normally selects the most appropriate AF point automatically, based on its internal AF algorithms. If you like though, you can select which of the five AF areas the camera uses manually. You do this by pressing the Focus button under the LCD repeatedly until the little focus bracket icon appears in the LCD's upper righthand corner. Once it does, rotating the Command wheel cycles between the normal central-area autofocus region and the five discrete AF areas. All five areas are clustered fairly closely around the center of the frame, but there's still enough separation to be useful in some situations with off-center subjects. - The screen shot above right shows the position of the AF points within the viewfinder frame, captured with the lens blocked to produce a black background that would show the AF markers more clearly."
So... I would submit that it would only be reasonable to project that the successor to the F707, as the new flagship, will include this nice capability (nice if it works) also. But having a 6-point multi-point focus system... that would be interesting even more.
Ulysses
I'm just going off of what the other fellow said.
HOWEVER... Sony has been hinting at this for several cameras now, starting with the P71. That camera has a type of multi-point focusing, but it's rather "dumb". It's not active, like what is likely to be the case in the F707.
Even the CD400 has a 5-point Multi-focus, as indicated by the Imaging Resource:
They say:
"The CD400 has a total of 5 autofocus areas. The CD400's autofocus system normally selects the most appropriate AF point automatically, based on its internal AF algorithms. If you like though, you can select which of the five AF areas the camera uses manually. You do this by pressing the Focus button under the LCD repeatedly until the little focus bracket icon appears in the LCD's upper righthand corner. Once it does, rotating the Command wheel cycles between the normal central-area autofocus region and the five discrete AF areas. All five areas are clustered fairly closely around the center of the frame, but there's still enough separation to be useful in some situations with off-center subjects. - The screen shot above right shows the position of the AF points within the viewfinder frame, captured with the lens blocked to produce a black background that would show the AF markers more clearly."
So... I would submit that it would only be reasonable to project that the successor to the F707, as the new flagship, will include this nice capability (nice if it works) also. But having a 6-point multi-point focus system... that would be interesting even more.
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jilee46792
Well-known member
Hi Ulysses,
At your request, here's the translation (almost) of the entire poster.
There are a few characters I had problem with since they are written in "simplied" Chinese while I grew up learning the "traditional" Chinese.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
John
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LEFT COLUMN
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DSC-F717
"Roll-outed/Introduced" ~ Year 2002
Market End of September
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Simplified Chinese
Menu
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NP-FM50, Charger AC-L10, Strap
MSA-32A, AV Cable, USB Connecting Cable
Software: Image Pixela / Image Transfer /
USB Driver Program
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RIGHT COLUMN
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At your request, here's the translation (almost) of the entire poster.
There are a few characters I had problem with since they are written in "simplied" Chinese while I grew up learning the "traditional" Chinese.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
John
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LEFT COLUMN
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DSC-F717
"Roll-outed/Introduced" ~ Year 2002
Market End of September
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Simplified Chinese
Menu
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NP-FM50, Charger AC-L10, Strap
MSA-32A, AV Cable, USB Connecting Cable
Software: Image Pixela / Image Transfer /
USB Driver Program
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RIGHT COLUMN
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- 5.0 Million Effective Pixels
- 5 Times Optical Zoom (10 Times Digital Zoom)
- F2.0-2.4 Vario "Carl-Zeiss" Lens
- OSP800, 1/2000 Shutter Speed
- Fast Startup about 1.4 Seconds / Shutter Time(Timing) 1.4 Seconds
- USB2.0 Fast Transfer (128MB - About 90 Seconds)
- Matrix(or Grid?) Diagram Exposure Display - Document Folder Select/Selection
- Long Time High Quality MPEG HQX Movie Shooting Mode
- Night Scene Shot / Night Scene "View-find" Function
- Total Darkness(?) Automatic Focus(Hologram AF)
- Auotmatic/Automatic Program/Shutter Priority/Aperture Priority/Manual/Scene Shot
- Focus Area Select Mode (6 Automatic FOcus Area)
- Focus ? / Manual Focus ? * Accessory Slot & Hotshoe Function
- Color Viewfinder (180,000 Pixels) / 1.8 Inch LCD (123,000 Pixels)
- Clear Color Noise Reduction Device
- Clear Bightness Noise Reduction Device
- Noise Reduction Slow-speed Shutter
- Multi-Metering Mode/Spot Metering/Center-weighted Metering
- ? ? Exposure
- Clip Motion
- Continous Quick Shot/Automatic "Surround" Exposure/Voice Memo/TIFF
- 16-shot Continous Quick Shot Mode
- Read Write "Pre" Confirmation
- Continous Shot 3 Photos
- LCD Automatic Brightness Adjusting Function
- 14-bit DXP
- Jog Dial Rotating Push Button
- ISO (Automatic/100/200/400/800)
- AE Lock
- AV Out
- USB Interface(Standard/PTP/High Speed USB2.0)
- Smart Li-Ion Battery NP-FM50
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DavidH
Guest
John,
Does Automatic surround mean panorama mode?
Thanks for the translation.
Regards
Does Automatic surround mean panorama mode?
Thanks for the translation.
Regards
kiwi
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Shay Stephens
Forum Pro
Now those are some exciting specs. Thank you for doing that.
Shay
My Sony F707 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
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jilee46792
Well-known member
Hi,
The 2 characters literally mean "surround".
But AHA! Now I know what they mean within the context of the whole phrase. The phrase should read:
"Automatic Bracket Exposure"
So this doesn't mean panorama.
Rgds,
John
The 2 characters literally mean "surround".
But AHA! Now I know what they mean within the context of the whole phrase. The phrase should read:
"Automatic Bracket Exposure"
So this doesn't mean panorama.
Rgds,
John
TrekSF6
Senior Member
hmm.... very poor clipping path around the camera picture. This poster is definitely a fake!! Muhahahahaaaaaaaa!!
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Ulysses
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I haven't read this yet, but I wanted to IMMEDIATELY give my thanks out to both jilee and to curtner for helping us out here. Invaluable information you've provided here.
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RedRum
Active member
I'm excited to see specs like this. Waiting for the replacement for the 707 appears it might be worth it.
However, this poster is a bit odd in another area too. How come it does not mention the company, SONY?
hmmm...
However, this poster is a bit odd in another area too. How come it does not mention the company, SONY?
hmmm...
jilee46792
Well-known member
You are very welcome.
This is the least I can do in return for all I've learned from people like you in this forum. Thanks to all.
John
PS: An Omission - I left out "E-Mail" before TIFF
This is the least I can do in return for all I've learned from people like you in this forum. Thanks to all.
John
PS: An Omission - I left out "E-Mail" before TIFF
- Continous Quick Shot/Automatic "Surround" Exposure/Voice Memo/E-Mail/TIFF
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Ulysses
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