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Pixels and parking lots -- The Panasonic FZ35

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Looking forward to your future "Some settings and photo's for the FZ-35" web entries.

"You've got to accentuate the positive, Eliminate the negative"

I guess we'll have to see what in camera tweaks will help accentuate the positive.
 
At first the page wouldn't load but it's working now. The more I read about the FZ35, the more I'm worried it's not that much better than the FZ28.... :(
 
Interesting. So far I see no reason to ugrade from my FZ20 to the FZ35.

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Ron_M
 
You may be right.

The only reason to trade up is for the faster focusing, better LCD, new video features, better OIS.

As for the video, I think that few will use the AVCHD feature. It will be like the corkscrew in the Swiss Army knife. Note that there are almost no messages about the AVCHD. Most will use the MPEG setting, since it's more compatible with YouTube, email, and most video editors.

The FZ35's focusing seemed a little faster, but the OIS seemed about the same.

So far, I've found the new LCD to be the FZ35's most impressive feature.
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Ron_M said:
Interesting. So far I see no reason to ugrade from my FZ20 to the FZ35.

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Ron_M
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If you believe that 8 or 10 Meagapixel shots can be better than 12, it might be fair to note in your article that the FX38 allows you to choose 8 as an alternative to 12 at the 4x3 aspect ratio.
 
I'm enjoying AVCHD Lite video from my FZ38. I get good footage with it, stereo sound with clear treble (unlike MJPEG), the files are smaller than MJPEG ones, the .mts files are just as easily emailed or RapidShare-d, it plays in VLC/MPC/Windows Media Player and others, they are the right frame rate for TV (here in PAL Land!) and DVD, and can be easily converted to use in Video Editors that don't manage AVCHD directly.

Maybe people don't write about it because it's so easy and they're too busy having fun with it? :)
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Shrapnel said:
I'm enjoying AVCHD Lite video from my FZ38. I get good footage with it, stereo sound with clear treble (unlike MJPEG), the files are smaller than MJPEG ones, the .mts files are just as easily emailed or RapidShare-d, it plays in VLC/MPC/Windows Media Player and others, they are the right frame rate for TV (here in PAL Land!) and DVD, and can be easily converted to use in Video Editors that don't manage AVCHD directly.

Maybe people don't write about it because it's so easy and they're too busy having fun with it? :)
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Canon A-eighty since 2004 (13,000 shots), Pan.FZ.eighteen (5,000 shots and counting) & Pan.FZ.thirty-eight (29aug09)

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It sounds like you're enjoying the FZ35, Shrap.

I just went through Yellowstone and compared my SX10 to my FZ28. These are both fine cameras and both gave me good results. However, little things like weight, button placement etc make the Canon handle like an SUV and the Pany handle like a Corvette. If the FZ28 had a better video function, the Canon would never come out of the bag. IQ was similar on both cameras. For the first time I tried the slide show mode on the Pany, recording it to my Pany DVD writer with hard drive. Nice feature and since the FZ35 will do a slide show with video and stills in chronological order, that feature will be useful.

I want to upgrade to a super zoom with better HD video and had considered the Canon SX1. As I think about it, however, it has all the drawbacks of the SX10 as far as handling etc. So, if the FZ35 has solved what I think were video problems, that will be a perfect camera for me.
 
I think that you have misinterpreted what I said.

This is what I said:

1. The FZ18 has better image quality at the lower ISO settings than the FZ28 and the FZ35.

2. Of the three cameras, the FZ18 has the lowest pixel density. This may account, in part, for item #1.

3. Adding more megapixels (FZ28 and FZ35) did not produce a noticeable improvement in image quality.

4. Adding more megapixels has real-world consequences. I gave a list of them.

5. I did not say that 8 megapixel shots are better than 12.

It's true that the FZ35 can be set for an image with fewer megapixels, as can the earlier models in this series. I fail to see what bearing this has on the items above, or why I should add this to my article.

Some feel that using a camera at a lower pixel setting will give better quality. The discussions of this go back to the first camera with this feature. I don't think that this argument has ever been proved conclusively in favor of fewer pixels.
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Peter Biddlecombe said:
If you believe that 8 or 10 Meagapixel shots can be better than 12, it might be fair to note in your article that the FX38 allows you to choose 8 as an alternative to 12 at the 4x3 aspect ratio.
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wow ! I hope I made the right decision in buying the FZ35 from my TZ3(which was dying) I trusted all the reviews here to be accurate in it being a solid choice...now I am beginning to wonder? I'll have to keep this camera for a few years. HMMM. I'm a bit nervous. I am just a point and shoot gal for now.
 
Shrapnel said:
I'm enjoying AVCHD Lite video from my FZ38. I get good footage with it, stereo sound with clear treble (unlike MJPEG), the files are smaller than MJPEG ones, the .mts files are just as easily emailed or RapidShare-d ..
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I'm using AVCHD with my ZS3 and like the format. Different software because I have a Mac. Toast Titanium 10, with an added plug-in, lets me burn the .mts files to a DVD-R to view on my HD monitor. And I can work on them with iMovie 09 (latest version).

I went FZ18 > FZ28 but decided I want a more portable superzoom now, the ZS3.

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gypsy girl said:
wow ! I hope I made the right decision in buying the FZ35 from my TZ3(which was dying) I trusted all the reviews here to be accurate in it being a solid choice...now I am beginning to wonder? I'll have to keep this camera for a few years. HMMM. I'm a bit nervous. I am just a point and shoot gal for now.
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Don't be nervous...just go and shoot pictures,with your FZ35,and enjoy it.

Everyone has opinions,and experiences,with different camera's

My FZ28 seemed better,to me than my FZ18...and my pictures show it,to my eyes

FZ28 has the detail,with slightly less noise,than my FZ18 did.

More megapixels doesn't only help the marketing dept,as one posted.....35mm film,with a decent lens,has more resolution than most 10-14mp cameras...this has been proven,by reputable folk.

Popular Photography did a test on this,some time ago...

it is true,that too often,more megapixels hurt the IQ,rather than help it.

Megapixels are only for resolution..nothing else

Most times,Dynamic range,suffers,as well as noise....and the NR smearing,that goes with it.But not always,as history has proven.

DPReview was impressed,with Sony's 7MP 1.1/8 CCD sensor,in that it had more dynamic range,and LESS noise,than their previous 5MP CCD sensor,of the same size.

Not talking about Sony camera's,per say,but their CCD sensors,that they've been making for Canon,and many other camera companies,for many years,now

Canon makes CMOS sensors,themselves,but rely on others,to make CCD's for their non D-SLR line up

But Canon has been adding more and more Megapixels to their imaging sensors,and most times,have improved overall IQ,by adding micro lenses,better circuts,etc. Their 10MP CMOS sensor had less noise,and more detail,than their 6MP CMOS sensor did.

Again,my FZ18 has less absolute detail,than my FZ28 did ,but with more noise

the less detail wasn't really noticable,in everyday shots....but the additional noise,was,especially when post processing them

your mileage may vary

ANAYV
 
Image quality is not the only determining factor in choosing a camera and many sacrifice it to gain other things. A camera like the FZ35 has lower image quality than a fancy DSLR, But it offers a single zoom lens with a wide range, light weight, and far lower cost. And, for many purposes, the pictures will be just as good.

This is from the article:

"But get this straight, the FZ35 is definitely the best in its class. In terms of its new features and its performance across a wide range of ISO settings, it's probably the best go-anywhere, shoot-anything camera in this Panasonic series."

Enjoy your new camera and take lots of pictures.
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gypsy girl said:
wow ! I hope I made the right decision in buying the FZ35 from my TZ3(which was dying) I trusted all the reviews here to be accurate in it being a solid choice...now I am beginning to wonder? I'll have to keep this camera for a few years. HMMM. I'm a bit nervous. I am just a point and shoot gal for now.
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nice article and perfect summing up...

Best in Class
  • but we will still search/dream for the everything best of everything in every class! :-)
Now to my question.

Setting to use less pixels per photo does not increase the image quality, but by how much, if any, does it decrease image quality?; not considering pixel peeping.

ie can I save the on the storage size without too much detriment to images.

Does anyone know if using less pixels and not in the EZ regime, are the pixels averaged or just discarded.

thanks
michael
FZ-1
FZ-28 - lost to daughter
 
I still have my FZ18 and my FZ28 and regularly switch between them, as each has a different personality. The artist's muse is usually along with me, shooting with one of the other FZ series. In some cases, she takes better pictures than me.

After about 25,000 shots total on these cameras, I have a pretty good feel for what they can and cannot do.

So far, I don't see more sharpness and detail on the FZ35 that could be creditied to the new OIS. But that's just my opinion.

One thing that might account for the difference in our findings is that I use these cameras with the OIS set to mode 1 (always on). If I don't, it's difficult to use the lens at the very long focal lengths. According to Panasonic, you get more stabiliztion in Mode 2 (on only during exposure).

Maybe there should be some "auto" feature that switches OIS modes depending on some factor like camera shake or focal length.
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Techno-Impressionist Museum -- http://timuseum.com
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Ianperegian said:
TKinVA said:
The FZ35's focusing seemed a little faster, but the OIS seemed about the same.
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I'm surprised that you find the OIS to be about the same. Some tests I've done seem to support Panasonic's claim that the new Power OIS on the FZ35/38 improves things by about the equivalent of 1 stop:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=32801287

Cheers,
Ian

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Ianperegian
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If you look on page 145 of the FZ35 manual, there is an auto mode.

From the manual:
[OFF]
[AUTO]: The optimum jitter compensation is selected depending on the condition.
[MODE1]: Jitter is always compensated during [REC] Mode.
[MODE2]: The jitter is compensated for when the shutter button is pressed.

Here is a link to the panasonic website that explains why mode 2 is better than mode 1 (I never knew this as it's not in the manual). http://www.panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/camerascamcorders/digitalstill/megaOIS.asp

However, I haven't seen any page about Power OIS and how well the auto mode does and it seems like this auto mode is new to Power OIS.

I wonder what mode do people usually keep their OIS on?

Xiaosong
TKinVA said:
I still have my FZ18 and my FZ28 and regularly switch between them, as each has a different personality. The artist's muse is usually along with me, shooting with one of the other FZ series. In some cases, she takes better pictures than me.

After about 25,000 shots total on these cameras, I have a pretty good feel for what they can and cannot do.

So far, I don't see more sharpness and detail on the FZ35 that could be creditied to the new OIS. But that's just my opinion.

One thing that might account for the difference in our findings is that I use these cameras with the OIS set to mode 1 (always on). If I don't, it's difficult to use the lens at the very long focal lengths. According to Panasonic, you get more stabiliztion in Mode 2 (on only during exposure).

Maybe there should be some "auto" feature that switches OIS modes depending on some factor like camera shake or focal length.
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Techno-Impressionist Museum -- http://timuseum.com
Art and the Zen of Design -- http://artzen2.com
The Artist's Journal -- http://ti-journal.com
The Artist's Muse -- http://artmuse2.com
The Museum Store -- http://haymarketart.com


Ianperegian said:
TKinVA said:
The FZ35's focusing seemed a little faster, but the OIS seemed about the same.
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I'm surprised that you find the OIS to be about the same. Some tests I've done seem to support Panasonic's claim that the new Power OIS on the FZ35/38 improves things by about the equivalent of 1 stop:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=32801287

Cheers,
Ian

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Ianperegian
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TKinVA said:
...Maybe there should be some "auto" feature that switches OIS modes depending on some factor like camera shake or focal length.
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I thought the FZ28 had an auto O.I.S. feature?

Or was that the TZ5,Im thinking of?

I don't have my FZ28 anymore....but thought ,that year,most of Panasonics camera's had that feature added.

I think it's only focal length based...these camera's dont sense shake,per say...but if shutter speed is below a certain setting,it shows the warning....Canon and Sony had that feature,for many years,even though they didn't incorporate any I.S. at that time.

Panasonic ,IMHO,is the one who caused the other manufacturers,to add this very important feature.

ANAYV
 
Looks like there is an Auto mode for the OIS.

I guess I'll try it and see what happens.
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Techno-Impressionist Museum -- http://timuseum.com
Art and the Zen of Design -- http://artzen2.com
The Artist's Journal -- http://ti-journal.com
The Artist's Muse -- http://artmuse2.com
The Museum Store -- http://haymarketart.com


ANAYV said:
TKinVA said:
...Maybe there should be some "auto" feature that switches OIS modes depending on some factor like camera shake or focal length.
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I thought the FZ28 had an auto O.I.S. feature?

Or was that the TZ5,Im thinking of?

I don't have my FZ28 anymore....but thought ,that year,most of Panasonics camera's had that feature added.

I think it's only focal length based...these camera's dont sense shake,per say...but if shutter speed is below a certain setting,it shows the warning....Canon and Sony had that feature,for many years,even though they didn't incorporate any I.S. at that time.

Panasonic ,IMHO,is the one who caused the other manufacturers,to add this very important feature.

ANAYV
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