Zuiko OM legacy lens on a full frame sensor & forest fires in LA

There was no 135mm f2 OM Zuiko.

There was a 135mm f2.8, f3.5 and f4.5 macro.

There was however, a 180mm f2, which I happen to have ;-)

I can not understand the person who had all those nice Zuikos butchered to Nikon mounts. I believe the OM Zuikos will work quite nicely on Canon digital bodies with an adapter, and likewise with the 4/3ds system bodies. It would have been massively cheaper to just buy a Canon body to use with the lenses. Or am I missing something?

I recall a Leica M user had a 180/2 Zuiko converted to fit a Leica mount and could never understand why he didn't just get a cheap OM body to use with the lens.
 
There was no 135mm f2 OM Zuiko.

There was a 135mm f2.8, f3.5 and f4.5 macro.
I was shooting from memory. Thanks for the clarification.
There was however, a 180mm f2, which I happen to have ;-)
Well that mus be an excellent lens, and fast too.
I can not understand the person who had all those nice Zuikos butchered to Nikon mounts. I believe the OM Zuikos will work quite nicely on Canon digital bodies with an adapter, and likewise with the 4/3ds system bodies. It would have been massively cheaper to just buy a Canon body to use with the lenses. Or am I missing something?
He told me when Olympus went digital he was dissapointed they didn't adopt a full frame format that optimized his expensive Zuiko FF lenses. If I recall I think he said he had a Nikon APS-C sensor camera for a while, the D100 or something. He had lenses for that Nikon camera. When he got the D3 he was impressed with how his UWA 14 mm lens looked on FF. Having the Nikon D3, he decided to have the Zuiko lenses adapted for the Nikon mount. S K Grimes does great machining work with lenses.
I recall a Leica M user had a 180/2 Zuiko converted to fit a Leica mount and could never understand why he didn't just get a cheap OM body to use with the lens.
Why be practical when you can spend $8000 on the latest gotta have it gear? ;)
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That's a great resource. Thanks for the link. This dandelion chip looks risky to install. According to the manufacturer, "Specially designed Alignment Tool and
I have an adaptor already assembled by jinfinance of ebay with dandelion chip. It works fine so far. Really, we're not talking about a Leica M9 level of cost. I have only an E-330 and an E-510 and even the new models, the E-520 and E-620 are depreciating in new value every day, much less these older models.
Not sure what you mean here. For a DSLR with a mirror, focus screen, prism and an OVF, or multiple mirrors, 2nd sensor and an EVF like the E-330 has, the OVF is showing what the lens/sensor sees wide open at the min f-stop. The lens stops down to the chosen aperture only when the shutter is tripped. The OVF shows a minimum DOF at the widest aperture. The actual DOF will be larger if the aperture is stopped down at all. If it's in focus through the OVF the image should be in focus on the sensor at the same time if everything is aligned properly. The image will have a wider DOF at any aperture smaller than wide open. Not the other way around, as you said.
No, you don't understand. Depth of Focus is not Depth of Field. Depth of Field is at the subject end. Depth of Focus is at the sensor end.


To see the aparent DOF you press the DOF button. The image gets darker at small apertures so it can be hard to see.
Depth of Field has nothing to do with Depth of Focus in the context of my discussion. Depth of Field is understood by you and me quite clearly. As you explain in the concepts above.

What you have not agreed with me is Depth of Focus. Depth of Focus is how the focussing screen reacts. The old film focussing screens in the SLRs had a shallow Depth of Focus. The screen and viewfinder was already quite bright, all they had to do was to spread the light a bit evenly so they used a fresnel lens concept. When you focus an Olympus OM-1 or my Minolta X-700 film SLR, you move the focussing ring slowly and the the image "crystallises" or "pixellates" in the OVF - it snaps into sharpness with a minor turn of the focussing ring. Or out of focus as you keep turning the ring.

With Four Thirds mirror size and penta mirror approach, they are fighting for as much light as possible. If you manage to cut an OM-1 screen and stick it into our E-330 and E-510, you will find the viewfinder very dim and difficult to see and small. So what Olympus does is to play with the fresnel and micro surface of the focussing screen to gain more brightness. They gain brightness by sacrificing the clear point at which the focussing screen "snaps" in and out of focus. This means that for some turn of the focussing ring, your eye cannot see at which point the image is sharp. So this is called Deep(er) Depth of Focus - you are uncertain when the image is sharp. The sensor on the other hand does not care about visual tricks - it has no mirror, the lens directly shines on it. If you use Liveview B, magnification 10x, you can clearly see the image snap in and out of focus on the LCD screen.

After all these words, there is no proof without doing yourself. If you take a 25mm f/2.8 manual focus lens, and simply use the OVF to focus, you will get maybe 1 in 5 sharp even though you think it is sharp in the OVF. If you use LiveView B and the LCD screen, you will get 100% 5 out of 5 shots sharp.

Search the posts if you like primarily in the Olympus SLR Talk or other forums for disgruntled users complaining bitterly about this phenomena and some explanations.

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Ananda
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Ananda,

I had no inkling of this. You seem to understand it very well. I will have to do more reading and a few searches.

So if the image appears to be in focus over a larger range, how does the Autofocus manage to focus sharply most of the time? And come to think of it, if I use autofocus with manual override, I can usually see the image go out of focus as I try to adjust focus manually by wire on a particluar point in my subject. Why is that?

And if the OM-1, 35 mm film camera had a larger light circle and focus screen that made focusing easier are you also saying that the full frame DSLR sensors and lenses have a scaled advantage of light and size that makes it easier to focus manually?
Thanks for the detailed explanation and for any more insight you can offer.
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Fred,

Stay Tuned. I will post a thread about these with photos of the rings and lenses some day soon.

I had adapter rings made for the ends of the lens barrels on the WCON 08D and TCON 14D auxiliary lenses for the C-8080 so I could add filters to these two wonderful lenses. The TCON was a lot easier to accommodate due the smaller 86 mm barrel size. Butt the WCON required filters of about 122 mm diameter to avoid vignette or shadows in the image. It allowed me to add a ND or Polarizer filter on the front of the lens. It worked really well for night photography, allowing me to slow down the exposure and get longer shutter times.

The cost of a 122 mm filter is prohibitively expensive for use on a P&S digicam when you consider the ease and convenience of using the 11-22 mm f/2.8-3.5 lens on an Oly DSLR. But I managed to find two used for a decent price and that made the idea viable. And at the time it cost me less than buying an E-500 and that lens.

Paul (PaulM2) helped me design the rings with a few sketches he sent me at the time. I used his ideas and added specific dimensions and drew several scaled drawings which I sent to SK Grimes for construction. It came out really wwell and SK Grimes did wonderful work.
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Dave

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So if the image appears to be in focus over a larger range, how does the Autofocus manage to focus sharply most of the time?
I believe that the Phase Detect AF sensors get the light directly from the split beam - they don't stare at the focussing screen.
And come to think of it, if I use autofocus with manual override, I can usually see the image go out of focus as I try to adjust focus manually by wire on a particluar point in my subject. Why is that?
Yes, you do see the image come in and out of focus. But not precisely like a Pentax K200D (as an example). At f/4, the depth of field is deeper or as deep as the depth of focus. But at f/2.8, f/2 and depth of field is thin and depth of focus is deeper than depth of focus. You hear more grumbles when people f/2.8 from all brands. For AF lens set to manual focus, you still get focus confirmation beep and green blip in the viewfinder. With MF lens, you don't.
And if the OM-1, 35 mm film camera had a larger light circle and focus screen that made focusing easier are you also saying that the full frame DSLR sensors and lenses have a scaled advantage of light and size that makes it easier to focus manually?
The E-30 and E-3 has an advantage over the 4x0, 5x0 and 3x0 cams because they have a brighter pentaprism and not sure if their focussin screen does not have to work that hard. The Pentax K200 for example is an APS-C mirror that allows Pentax to make a screen which is sharper with less emphasis on brightness. Full frame should be even more impressive.

The OM-1 had a split circle focussing aid in addition to having a better focussing screen and larger mirror and pentaprism.

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Ananda
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I've been absent a bit, working and developing a business idea. I've also been shopping for and found deals on the E-330 and an Ikelite underwater housing to upgrade from my wonderful C-8080 system. I also aquired a good used copy of the little C-5050 along the way. I'm still at it but I'm almost done. And I'm here now.
I'm kinda disappointed you didn't go the E-3 UW route - what made you decide otherwise? Must have been an insanely good deal on the E-330+Housing, or maybe you're getting a lense port or two thrown into the deal as well?

That E-330 will be a dream to use underwater. After voicing my opinion repeatedly about LV underwater, and after struggling with the E-3's LV for quite some time now (underwater), I've completely given up the idea of using LV for framing and pictures underwater. It's just not possible to accurately compose given the shutter lag (and screen blackout) while trying to maintain buoyancy. One of my problems comes from topside photography - holding your breath while taking a picture, so as to minimize breathing and stabilize the camera. Well, when you do that underwater, you slowly rise upward. LOL That method works for one frame, but more than that and your composition is off.

If you ever want to borrow my Ikelite housing for your E-3 and 14-54mm shoot me an email. I have no problems with that at all, as long as I'm not using it there's no reason why you can't try it out!

I've got a few more trips planned in the distant future - Costa Rica + Panama over the New Year, and Peru next May. Can't wait. I probably won't get to take the housing to Costa Rica (size, weight), but we'll see.

Good to hear from you,
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