S2 Sync terminal

Just got my S2 today and have a question. Anybody have any experience using

Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15 shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?
Would appreciate any comments.

Gary

Gary513 said:

Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?

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Never even thought of it. Just plugged in my Norman strobes and shot with no problems. I think the purpose of the sync terminal is to plug in all kinds of flash units, especially studio strobes.

Rick

That sync terminal is for that very purpose! I would not use a cord because I hate tripping over it but the sync outlet was made for triggering flash units, on camera or off.
Rinus of calgary

Rick Boden said:

Rick Boden said:

Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?

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Never even thought of it. Just plugged in my Norman strobes and
shot with no problems. I think the purpose of the sync terminal is
to plug in all kinds of flash units, especially studio strobes.

Rick

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One would assume it would be safe to use. Thanks for the reply, guess I'm being overly cautious. Have been following the forums for the past 5 mos. and now that I've finally got this baby in hand I reeeaaally don't want to screw it up.
Again thanks for the reply.
Gary

Rick Boden said:

Rick Boden said:

Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?

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Never even thought of it. Just plugged in my Norman strobes and
shot with no problems. I think the purpose of the sync terminal is
to plug in all kinds of flash units, especially studio strobes.

Rick

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I also have normans and they are no problem for the s2, but some flash units are dangerous. I beliveve the max current on the s2 should be no more than 20 volt according to a s2 fuji engineer i talked to about this.
jimmy

jimmy w said:

Rick Boden said:

jimmy w said:

Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?

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Never even thought of it. Just plugged in my Norman strobes and
shot with no problems. I think the purpose of the sync terminal is
to plug in all kinds of flash units, especially studio strobes.

Rick

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I also have normans and they are no problem for the s2, but some
flash units are dangerous. I beliveve the max current on the s2
should be no more than 20 volt according to a s2 fuji engineer i
talked to about this.
jimmy

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forgot to add that metz said my 60ct4 was okay but my 60ct1 could spike up to 26 volts. so i got a wein safe sync for the s2 jimmy

jimmy w said:

jimmy w said:

Rick Boden said:

jimmy w said:

Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?

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Never even thought of it. Just plugged in my Norman strobes and
shot with no problems. I think the purpose of the sync terminal is
to plug in all kinds of flash units, especially studio strobes.

Rick

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I also have normans and they are no problem for the s2, but some
flash units are dangerous. I beliveve the max current on the s2
should be no more than 20 volt according to a s2 fuji engineer i
talked to about this.
jimmy

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forgot to add that metz said my 60ct4 was okay but my 60ct1 could
spike up to 26 volts. so i got a wein safe sync for the s2 jimmy

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Thanks Jimmy,

Being a cautious fellow, I think I'll take yours and Rinus advice and get a remote
sync. Tripping over the cord is a pain as well.
Many thanks guys.
Gary

Gary513 said:

Just got my S2 today and have a question. Anybody have any
experience using
Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?
Would appreciate any comments.

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You should use a voltmeter to measure the voltage on the flash sync cord before hooking it up to your S2. I personally wouldn't hook up any flash that puts more than 12V on the sync cord without use of some sort of circuit to protect the camera. Some people might put the threshold at 7.5V. At least one other person posting is comfortable with 20V.

Many older flash units, such as the old-style Vivitar 283, can put more than 200V on the sync contacts. That would be bad for your camera.

Wesley

The Wein remote IR trigger is reasonable in cost and works in many places.

I use them with my White Lightning units. The same trigger is sold bt Balcar under their own name. Have fun.
Rinus of Calgary

Wesley R. Elsberry said:

Many older flash units, such as the old-style Vivitar 283, can put
more than 200V on the sync contacts. That would be bad for your
camera.

Wesley

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I wonder why it says 250 volts on page 69 of the manual maybe Fuji thought of that ?

Richard

Richard H said:

Wesley R. Elsberry said:

Many older flash units, such as the old-style Vivitar 283, can put
more than 200V on the sync contacts. That would be bad for your
camera.

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Member said:

I wonder why it says 250 volts on page 69 of the manual maybe Fuji
thought of that ?

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I suppose everybody could have said "RTFM" ("Read The fine Manual") and left it at that. Of course, the manual also says not to use anybody else's flash units besides Nikon, which limits the discussion quite a bit. It also makes the camera a lot less useful for studio work if one feels obliged to follow every such recommendation by Fuji. How many flash units in Nikon's current lineup feature a PC sync cord, I wonder? If the answer is "one" or "none", one might be curious as to why Fuji went to the trouble to add such a superfluity as a PC sync terminal to the S2.

I'll be impressed when the minimal isolation circuitry needed is incorporated into electronic cameras, rather than leaving the PC sync port as a known hazard to the sensitive stuff inside. Having to add third-party isolators between camera and flash is a kludge. It's not just Fuji, either, my Nikon N90s suffers from the same vulnerability.

Wesley

Gary513 said:

Just got my S2 today and have a question. Anybody have any
experience using
Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?
Would appreciate any comments.

Gary
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The AS15 is "direct connect",no protecting circuit in it so there is no safety in using it. Be careful, if you want to be safe use a real safesync like the one from wein or use one of those paramount cord with the built in safety circuit.

--
Gaetan J.
'when you assume something you make an ass out of u and me' B.Hill

A what?

Wesley R. Elsberry said:

a superfluity >

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Mike Flood

Gary513 said:

Just got my S2 today and have a question. Anybody have any
experience using
Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?
Would appreciate any comments.

Gary
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I use a radio remote.
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n.sannes

If cameras would not be compatible with modern flash systems, I would have quit a long time ago before radio/IR remotes became available. Trigger voltages of the Vivitar 283 may be high but it is the single most popular flash (used to be) in the world. None of us here are expert enough to second guess the consumers that use these. High trigger voltage is a thing mostly of the past (30 yerars ago) when electronics were fairly basic. The 250 volt note in the manual must refer to a typical peak power of a little trigger capaciter that would not even zap a fly. The amperage of a standard light socket with a lower 115 volts will surely kill your camera but that little trigger capaciter will not at 250 volts. I know because I had an assistant (25 years ago) that plugged the AC end of my long sync cord into the wall outlet. When I pushed the shutter button, nothing much happened except it blew out the sync contacts inside the Nikon F3 I was using. On the other hand, I have never even had to replace the sync contacts in any other camera due to heavy use. (Hundreds of thousands times in the studio)

If I had to freak out about anything, it is the dumb North American style sync cords that look a lot like an AC plug.
Rinus of Calgary

Gary513 said:

Just got my S2 today and have a question. Anybody have any
experience using
Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?
Would appreciate any comments.

Gary
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Should be okay, the Wein Hot Shoe Safe Sync (about $42.95 at B&H) would be better, just in case the sync line voltage spikes for no good reason.

Rinus said:

If cameras would not be compatible with modern flash systems, I
would have quit a long time ago before radio/IR remotes became
available. Trigger voltages of the Vivitar 283 may be high but it
is the single most popular flash (used to be) in the world. None of
us here are expert enough to second guess the consumers that use
these. High trigger voltage is a thing mostly of the past (30
yerars ago) when electronics were fairly basic.

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Not a case of being basic but since the cameras were able to handle the voltage already available in the strobe there was no need for a voltage handler trigger circuit in the strobe. So it cost lest to build

Member said:

The 250 volt note
in the manual must refer to a typical peak power of a little
trigger capaciter that would not even zap a fly. The amperage of a

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I emailed a nikon tech once and he told me that "all" nikon cam can handle 250 volts. I would not trust him on a kilobox camera. A safe is a small investement. Especialy if you use studio strobe. How about something that actually hapened to me with an electric guitar. There is a voltage supplied on the connecting jack of an electric guitar amp, this is rather small, but the wall outlet in wich the amp was plugged was reversed wired so the connecting cord, insted of being at something around 12 volt was actually at 120 volts. Since I always play with my sneaker I was isolated so I was not aware of the problem. My wife came over to while being barefoot, read grounded, You should have seen the spark between our lips and teeth. It took 2 month before you would kiss me again. Same thing can happend with studio strobe. the story has nothing to do with v283 but anyway

Member said:

standard light socket with a lower 115 volts will surely kill your
camera but that little trigger capaciter will not at 250 volts. I

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wrong wrong wrong, the source dictate the voltage but it is the sink that dictate the current (amp) if it were otherwise everything in your house would have already fried since your pole pig can supply a lot of amp. The little capaciter can stop your hart too.

Member said:

know because I had an assistant (25 years ago) that plugged the AC
end of my long sync cord into the wall outlet. When I pushed the
shutter button, nothing much happened except it blew out the sync
contacts inside the Nikon F3 I was using. On the other hand, I have
never even had to replace the sync contacts in any other camera due
to heavy use. (Hundreds of thousands times in the studio)
If I had to freak out about anything, it is the dumb North American
style sync cords that look a lot like an AC plug.
Rinus of Calgary

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It is not a case of freaking out but of protecting some expensive equipement from old electronics specs. Do you know that canon stuff trigger voltage is only rated at 6 volt ? So in time your 20 volts run of the mill today's electronic flash system can kill the trigger electronic circuit
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Gaetan J.
'when you assume something you make an ass out of u and me' B.Hill

Isaac Stackell said:

Gary513 said:

Just got my S2 today and have a question. Anybody have any
experience using
Photogenic 1250DR's connected directly to the S2 sync terminal? Is
their a serious chance of frying the S2? Should I use a Nikon AS15
shoe mount similar to an S1 setup to be safe?
Would appreciate any comments.

Gary
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Should be okay, the Wein Hot Shoe Safe Sync (about $42.95 at B&H)
would be better, just in case the sync line voltage spikes for no
good reason.

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Called about remote sync setup but was a little to pricy for me right now after S2, Tamron 24-135 and Nikkor 60 micro lenses, rechargable batteries, card reader and micro drive.
Took your advice and ordered the Safe Sync Hot Shoe to be extra safe.
Many thanks to all for all the help.
Very much appreciated.
Gary

Mike Flood said:

Mike Flood said:

a superfluity >

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Mike Flood

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