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Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji 6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6 different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to chuck this camera!

Carolyn
 
Interesting. Most reviewers think that the 602 is a little oversaturated- i.e. Fuji color.
Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's
posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji
6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for
incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6
different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by
camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of
them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any
point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to
chuck this camera!

Carolyn
 
Hello Carolyn,

Here's a S602 photo shot in Balboa Park in San Diego last weekend. This photo has not been processed. In fact, when I use DCEnhance to process it, the result is virtually indistinguishable. I believe it demonstrates good saturation of color (check the saddle and saddle-blanket of the giraffe and horse) and the color is true to the actual carousel.



I'll post more of the photos from that location soon.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's
posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji
6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for
incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6
different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by
camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of
them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any
point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to
chuck this camera!

Carolyn
 
Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's
posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji
6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for
incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6
different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by
camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of
them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any
point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to
chuck this camera!

Carolyn
I thought it only right and proper to point out that the gallery was Johans and not mine, but was merely the sort of colours and quality that is achieveable with some Fuji camera's. I dont believe there is a lot of difference between the picture quality of the 6900 and the 602 and would expect them to be very similar if not the same.

I've seen many gallery's of 602 users and many are producing first class shots with their 602 camera's I've rarely seen weak colours, and I actually feel that the colours generally are a fraction too saturated.

Unfortunately we are not all good photographers... I certainly am not.. thats why I did not refer you to my own gallery which happens to be rubbish as I've only just started it.

I have many talents such as the ability to write books and a excellent knowledge of electronics and computers but photography like my piano playing is not brilliant! but this does not stop me from enjoying it!

However for what its worth this is the location of my gallery although there is not much on there as yet, however I dont think there is much problem with the 602 colours. Your camera may be faulty of course.

http://www.pbase.com/cameron

Please ignore the modification pics. Taken with a 1700 and compressed many times. ie, very poor quality. Someone asked to see pics of my various computer mods which I had done thats why they are on there.

Regards

Cameron
 
I actually liked looking at the computer mods. I just built my first computer after working on too many systems from Gateway. I thought it was time to try building one myself. I used an Antec case, gigabyte motherboard, and P4 2.2 GHz. You must do some serious overclocking based on all of the extra cooling you have installed. Sorry if this is off topic here. Check out the thread about internal card reader. I just installed one and it works great.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=3282428
Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's
posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji
6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for
incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6
different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by
camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of
them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any
point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to
chuck this camera!

Carolyn
I thought it only right and proper to point out that the gallery
was Johans and not mine, but was merely the sort of colours and
quality that is achieveable with some Fuji camera's. I dont
believe there is a lot of difference between the picture quality of
the 6900 and the 602 and would expect them to be very similar if
not the same.
I've seen many gallery's of 602 users and many are producing first
class shots with their 602 camera's I've rarely seen weak colours,
and I actually feel that the colours generally are a fraction too
saturated.
Unfortunately we are not all good photographers... I certainly am
not.. thats why I did not refer you to my own gallery which happens
to be rubbish as I've only just started it.
I have many talents such as the ability to write books and a
excellent knowledge of electronics and computers but photography
like my piano playing is not brilliant! but this does not stop me
from enjoying it!
However for what its worth this is the location of my gallery
although there is not much on there as yet, however I dont think
there is much problem with the 602 colours. Your camera may be
faulty of course.

http://www.pbase.com/cameron

Please ignore the modification pics. Taken with a 1700 and
compressed many times. ie, very poor quality. Someone asked to see
pics of my various computer mods which I had done thats why they
are on there.

Regards

Cameron
 
Hi

With respect you have not really given us too much to go on!

Generally Fuji colour is regarded as being a tad oversaturated though the 602 is less so the 6900.

Posting examples on p base would be much more handy for better feedback!

There are numerous galleries from posters on this forum and undersaturation of colour has not been a comment that I would attribute to my 602 or on these galleries.

hth

Mike Bee
Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's
posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji
6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for
incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6
different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by
camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of
them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any
point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to
chuck this camera!

Carolyn
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http://www.pbase.com/mikebee
 
I actually liked looking at the computer mods. I just built my
first computer after working on too many systems from Gateway. I
thought it was time to try building one myself. I used an Antec
case, gigabyte motherboard, and P4 2.2 GHz. You must do some
serious overclocking based on all of the extra cooling you have
installed. Sorry if this is off topic here. Check out the thread
about internal card reader. I just installed one and it works great.
Yes AAMOF I saw that.. I thought it looked very good, I fancy one of those myself have you seen any similar that uses firewire or maybe usb2?

I'm thinking of changing the case in the future as its getting on a bit now and have had to make room for a DVD burner.

Yes the system is quite fast, its a Epox 8KHA+ board, XP2100+ running at 2200+, with a Leadtek 4600. Raid Drives etc. I'm retired now but still enjoy giving the kids a run for their money in games like MOHAA and RTCW etc. Looking forwards to UT2003 being released. Just never grown up..LOL I may not be here next week (poor health) so I tend to endulge myself. and my wife does'nt go short...so why not! I'm lucky I suppose due to the fact I've spent all my life in the electronics game it means I can do most repair jobs myself or I know someone who can.

My main hobby is actually programming, I wrote TextBook, and also Communicator a comms package for the PC and have written several progs over the years for earlier systems. Still do a bit of assembler and C++ even now, though I've been playing with Linux on/off for a few months. I also still have a financial interest in a company called Logicomm Systems which a friend and I started some years back...only 3 staff but still going today so I occasionally help out when he's busy or to cover holidays etc.

Almost everything in that case BTW is rubber mounted on grommets even the fans and hard-drives... most of those fans are thermally controlled or switchable on the rear of the case to alter the speeds... I dont like noisy systems. How some of the guys stand the racket I dont know.. :-((

Anyway I'd better cut this as its way off topic. I'll rattle all night.
[email protected] (Cable 1meg 24/7) if you want to email anytime.

Best wishes

Cameron (Not real name of course)
 
... many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.
Are you referring to "washed out" images on your printer or your monitor? If you find them dull on both, then your monitor and (or) printer may need to be adjusted. No offense intended here, but I do not believe your statement to be the case at all. As with any amateur photo forum, there are plenty of hits and misses. But color saturation has not been a problem with any of the Fujis that I have owned nor with many of the images that I view over here. I have not seen the ones form your camera to compare, however.

If you still find most of the forum pictures to be dull, you may want to swap for another make of camera in whose forum you find the colors more to your liking. If you want to compare identical images between makes, try this excellent site and here's the link for the 602 images to start with: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F602/F62PICS.HTM In fact, my picture that I posted in reply to your last post is "over the top" in color saturation which adequately reflected the bright colors in the shot.

How do you rate the color sturation of this image?
http://www.pbase.com/image/2834822



--
Seth
'Momma don't take my Kodachrome away'
http://www.pbase.com/seth
 
I got the Soyo internal card reader since it has 2 USB 2 ports on the front and I thought it may be possible that the reader would have higher transfer speed when connected to USB 2 headers, but without any formal testing, I think that the transfer rate from the microdrive is about the same as using my ZIO card reader. There are external firewire readers, but I haven't found any USB 2 readers yet. The one I got will suite my needs and gave me a few front USB ports at the same time.
I actually liked looking at the computer mods. I just built my
first computer after working on too many systems from Gateway. I
thought it was time to try building one myself. I used an Antec
case, gigabyte motherboard, and P4 2.2 GHz. You must do some
serious overclocking based on all of the extra cooling you have
installed. Sorry if this is off topic here. Check out the thread
about internal card reader. I just installed one and it works great.
Yes AAMOF I saw that.. I thought it looked very good, I fancy one
of those myself have you seen any similar that uses firewire or
maybe usb2?

I'm thinking of changing the case in the future as its getting on a
bit now and have had to make room for a DVD burner.
Yes the system is quite fast, its a Epox 8KHA+ board, XP2100+
running at 2200+, with a Leadtek 4600. Raid Drives etc. I'm
retired now but still enjoy giving the kids a run for their money
in games like MOHAA and RTCW etc. Looking forwards to UT2003 being
released. Just never grown up..LOL I may not be here next week
(poor health) so I tend to endulge myself. and my wife does'nt go
short...so why not! I'm lucky I suppose due to the fact I've spent
all my life in the electronics game it means I can do most repair
jobs myself or I know someone who can.
My main hobby is actually programming, I wrote TextBook, and also
Communicator a comms package for the PC and have written several
progs over the years for earlier systems. Still do a bit of
assembler and C++ even now, though I've been playing with Linux
on/off for a few months. I also still have a financial interest in
a company called Logicomm Systems which a friend and I started some
years back...only 3 staff but still going today so I occasionally
help out when he's busy or to cover holidays etc.

Almost everything in that case BTW is rubber mounted on grommets
even the fans and hard-drives... most of those fans are thermally
controlled or switchable on the rear of the case to alter the
speeds... I dont like noisy systems. How some of the guys stand the
racket I dont know.. :-((

Anyway I'd better cut this as its way off topic. I'll rattle all
night.
[email protected] (Cable 1meg 24/7) if you want to email anytime.

Best wishes

Cameron (Not real name of course)
 
I'm
retired now but still enjoy giving the kids a run for their money
in games like MOHAA and RTCW etc. Looking forwards to UT2003 being
released. Just never grown up..LOL
How about a net game of mohaa? Stalingrad, snipers only?

sorry everyone for off topic post

--
Excreta Tauri Astutos Frustrantur
------------------------------------------------------------
http://members.lycos.co.uk/insanityphotos/
 
I'm ready for Q3 anytime.
retired now but still enjoy giving the kids a run for their money
in games like MOHAA and RTCW etc. Looking forwards to UT2003 being
released. Just never grown up..LOL
How about a net game of mohaa? Stalingrad, snipers only?

sorry everyone for off topic post

--
Excreta Tauri Astutos Frustrantur
------------------------------------------------------------
http://members.lycos.co.uk/insanityphotos/
--
SlipStream
My homepage http://users.skynet.be/slipstream/

PBase : http://www.pbase.com/slipstream/galleries/
 
retired now but still enjoy giving the kids a run for their money
in games like MOHAA and RTCW etc. Looking forwards to UT2003 being
released. Just never grown up..LOL
How about a net game of mohaa? Stalingrad, snipers only?

sorry everyone for off topic post

--
Excellent... Time to kick some asss!

On line handle BTW is 'Headchopper' or sometimes I use
uk_headchopper, look out for me on the MOHAA servers. :-))

Yep sorry for OT posts people.

Finished playing back to the subject of camera's I think.

Cameron
 
Hello Carolyn,

Here's a S602 photo shot in Balboa Park in San Diego last weekend.
This photo has not been processed. In fact, when I use DCEnhance to
process it, the result is virtually indistinguishable. I believe it
demonstrates good saturation of color (check the saddle and
saddle-blanket of the giraffe and horse) and the color is true to
the actual carousel.


I'll post more of the photos from that location soon.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
Thanks to everyone who responded re color washout. Cameron's
posting of a gallery (not his) pictures were taken with a Fuji
6900, not a 602. many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.

on advice of engineer son, tested fuji, with WB adj. for
incandescent light,indoors on red and blue shirts. took 6
different exposures graduated by 1/2 step using f2.5 recommended by
camera. ALL reds were washed out, from light to dark. none of
them made it. blue was a little better but NOT saturated at any
point. will try same test outdoors on sunny day, but i'm ready to
chuck this camera!

Carolyn
--
cz

I really like your picture. it's mostly yellow in color which gives a great effect. if you look at the red, esp. at the bottom, it does not appear saturated to me. what do you think?
Carolyn
 
... many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.
Are you referring to "washed out" images on your printer or your
monitor? If you find them dull on both, then your monitor and (or)
printer may need to be adjusted. No offense intended here, but I
do not believe your statement to be the case at all. As with any
amateur photo forum, there are plenty of hits and misses. But
color saturation has not been a problem with any of the Fujis that
I have owned nor with many of the images that I view over here. I
have not seen the ones form your camera to compare, however.
If you still find most of the forum pictures to be dull, you may
want to swap for another make of camera in whose forum you find the
colors more to your liking. If you want to compare identical
images between makes, try this excellent site and here's the link
for the 602 images to start with:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F602/F62PICS.HTM In fact, my
picture that I posted in reply to your last post is "over the top"
in color saturation which adequately reflected the bright colors in
the shot.

How do you rate the color sturation of this image?
http://www.pbase.com/image/2834822



--
Seth
'Momma don't take my Kodachrome away'
http://www.pbase.com/seth
--
cz
Seth,

Your picture is beautiful, and so is the color. Yes, i've considered that i am a new user with this camera, and thus may be judging it too quickly. also not a great photographer, but having hopes of becoming one.

sorry i haven't posted my bleached out pics, will be happy to do so after this week-end. glad to find someone sticking up for this camera, which i like using.

a question -- do you find the picture (color) quality suffers if the lighting is not full sun? such as dusk??

thanks for your input.

Carolyn
 
sorry i haven't posted my bleached out pics, will be happy to do so
after this week-end. glad to find someone sticking up for this
camera, which i like using.

a question -- do you find the picture (color) quality suffers if
the lighting is not full sun? such as dusk??
thanks for your input.
Carolyn
Carolyn, just a quick comment.

I had a problem with my 4900 which is the predecessor of the 6900 where on aperture priority all images were slightly overexposed resulting in washed out colours and blown out light areas. It worked fine in auto or manual or S or P modes etc.

It seemed to be something to do with how I had set the camera, perhaps I had tweaked some exposure settings for A mode and not realised it.

For quite a while I just used other modes but on one day it got too much for me and after playing about with settings and trying to get back to default mode I found that A mode had returned to correct exposures.

Still not sure exactly what had caused it but they are sometimes more complicated than we give them credit for these digial wonders :-)

Best of luck with yours.

--
Mark
 
Check out this prioir post on improving one of my poorly lit photos. Digital gives you so many opportunities to save "bad" pictures. There is an entire forum here dedicated to retouching. It can be quite fun. Early and late in the day are my favorite times to shoot, and I've had good success with the 602. As I stated in your prior thread, try to bracket the shots and underexpose to bring out more color. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=3270766

You can also add more color to the shots in post processing if you want to. Check out this shareware tool, Photobrush, or their other tool, DCE, to get a good idea of what is possible. It has a 30 day free demo mode:
http://www.mediachance.com/pbrush/index.html
... many of posted pictures in this forum using
fuji602 have washed out color.
Are you referring to "washed out" images on your printer or your
monitor? If you find them dull on both, then your monitor and (or)
printer may need to be adjusted. No offense intended here, but I
do not believe your statement to be the case at all. As with any
amateur photo forum, there are plenty of hits and misses. But
color saturation has not been a problem with any of the Fujis that
I have owned nor with many of the images that I view over here. I
have not seen the ones form your camera to compare, however.
If you still find most of the forum pictures to be dull, you may
want to swap for another make of camera in whose forum you find the
colors more to your liking. If you want to compare identical
images between makes, try this excellent site and here's the link
for the 602 images to start with:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F602/F62PICS.HTM In fact, my
picture that I posted in reply to your last post is "over the top"
in color saturation which adequately reflected the bright colors in
the shot.

How do you rate the color sturation of this image?
http://www.pbase.com/image/2834822



--
Seth
'Momma don't take my Kodachrome away'
http://www.pbase.com/seth
--
cz
Seth,
Your picture is beautiful, and so is the color. Yes, i've
considered that i am a new user with this camera, and thus may be
judging it too quickly. also not a great photographer, but having
hopes of becoming one.

sorry i haven't posted my bleached out pics, will be happy to do so
after this week-end. glad to find someone sticking up for this
camera, which i like using.

a question -- do you find the picture (color) quality suffers if
the lighting is not full sun? such as dusk??

thanks for your input.

Carolyn
--
Seth
'Momma don't take my Kodachrome away'
http://www.pbase.com/seth
 
Hello Carolyn,

Yes, but that is not saturated because it was faded or in such shadow. It would not make sense that it was the camera's failure when other colors are so clearly saturated. I've posted other photos from that day and you can see the deep colors in the close-up of the animals.

The yellow cast is the actual general color of the carousel, both due to the paint and indoor lights.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
I really like your picture. it's mostly yellow in color which
gives a great effect. if you look at the red, esp. at the bottom,
it does not appear saturated to me. what do you think?
Carolyn
 
Hi NYCarolyn,

Here are some shots of the Fuji602 showing glorious colour. In fact my friend a G2 user even asked if I had cheated using photoshop.;)

These shots were taken in bright later afternoon sun with a skylight1b filter. No corrections were made except for jpeg compression for the web and I feel that the colours accurately reflect the conditions at the time.
http://www.pbase.com/zerstorer/macros

Pardon the lack of DOF in the shots, this was my first macro shoot.;)
 
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Wow, your pictures are absolutely breathtaking! Can I ask -- Do you use 3mp or 6 mp, fine or normal? do you use filters, and if so, which ones? manual focus? what f stop on the nature shots? 200 iso? any tips you could give me?

I assume your pictures are taken around either sunrise or sunset.

anyway, you've settled the color question, and a few other,s in fine style! i'm inspired to go out and try again. thanks,

Carolyn
 
Thanks, Carolyn. That's kind of you to say. I'm just learning this camera, myself, so each set I take has some improvements.

From my own experience and other's here I learned to shoot in Manual mode with manual white balance (reset as I move from sun to shade, etc.) So far, I've used the 3mp, fine mode with normal sharpening.

The Balboa Park photos were shot at ISO 400, but if I reshot them I'd use ISO 200. I only used a UV filter on the Balboa Park photos. I generally use auto focus, but I use the Preview function to check shots taken and if my target is out of focus, then I use the Manual.

I use an external flash whenever indoors and use the Fuji flash only for fill (when there's outdoor backlighting, for example).

Most of these photos were taken between noon and 4PM. I wish I'd had the chance to shoot the Painted Desert late in the day, but I was still very pleased with the color I obtained in the midsummer desert glare. The F-stop on the landscapes was high, also because of the light intensity. I used a Polarizing filter for the outdoor shots and a red filter for the B&W photos to enhance contrast.

In accordance with the advice of many more experienced than I on this forum, I find that the more pictures I take (and the more times I read the manual), the better the photos I obtain.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
--

Wow, your pictures are absolutely breathtaking! Can I ask -- Do
you use 3mp or 6 mp, fine or normal? do you use filters, and if
so, which ones? manual focus? what f stop on the nature shots?
200 iso? any tips you could give me?

I assume your pictures are taken around either sunrise or sunset.

anyway, you've settled the color question, and a few other,s in
fine style! i'm inspired to go out and try again. thanks,

Carolyn
 

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