I agree. If it's going to compete with netbooks it has to be able to run OS X because even the smallest of netbooks can run XP or even Vista. I'd need to be able to open my Office docs on it, and even do some editing. As for a keyboard, I just can't see any useful typing being done on a touch keyboard with the screen flat on the table, and if I have to carry around a optional keyboard with it, that's a deal-killer going up against a netbook because the last thing I need is to carry around something that requires me to carry around other things that go along with it. I think Apple is trying to invent a whole new market with this device, and that's all well and good, but what people really want is an Apple netbook.
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Paul5D
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In my mind the device wont need a keyboard as you'll be using it for basic stuff where an onscreen keyboard will be fine for surfing the ineternet, sending the odd e-mail, making some quick edits to a document etc, it would be for light edits and quick changes on the go, if you need the keyboard/power etc then you'll be using a macbook.
As a photographer/graphic designer I can see how this would quickly become an invaluable device.
I must say however that I've always been a tablet fan and still have a compaq tablet (tc1000 i think) with removable keyboard and used it all the time.
An Apple netbook would be 'nice' but would offer no real advantages over the macbook unless they went for something more like the Vaio P series.
Whatever Apple releases in the next 4 months I just hope its OSX and innovative.
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As a photographer/graphic designer I can see how this would quickly become an invaluable device.
I must say however that I've always been a tablet fan and still have a compaq tablet (tc1000 i think) with removable keyboard and used it all the time.
An Apple netbook would be 'nice' but would offer no real advantages over the macbook unless they went for something more like the Vaio P series.
Whatever Apple releases in the next 4 months I just hope its OSX and innovative.
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1. And, if it will support transfer/download of documents, books, magazines, newspapers and such like the Amazon/Sony Readers that do not support Apple's Operating System, I would purchase one on the same day it's released.
2. Should Apple venture into this, iTunes Store can carry text books for students (Universities are already considering switching from traditional Text Books to Electronic Versions; and Apple has nothing to compete in this huge market yet), and the online iTunes Store is already set up to offer much of what Amazon/Sony is doing. In addition this Apple Tablet should be a far better and more powerful device (as an actual Mac computer) to use than either the Sony or Amazon devices. Apple, will be able to jump in and pretty much wipe out the competition Amazon/Sony currently have in this still developing market, and as they have not supported Macs, I will just love it.
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2. Should Apple venture into this, iTunes Store can carry text books for students (Universities are already considering switching from traditional Text Books to Electronic Versions; and Apple has nothing to compete in this huge market yet), and the online iTunes Store is already set up to offer much of what Amazon/Sony is doing. In addition this Apple Tablet should be a far better and more powerful device (as an actual Mac computer) to use than either the Sony or Amazon devices. Apple, will be able to jump in and pretty much wipe out the competition Amazon/Sony currently have in this still developing market, and as they have not supported Macs, I will just love it.
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PhotoTraveler
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I've been waiting about 15 years for the tablet to come a reality.
The launch of the iPhone and similar touch screen devices was the big step that gave me hope.
I hope Apple does it, and I hope they don't mess it up (probably will though).
I just want an A4 sized, touch screen tablet computer, with a full OS, the thickness of an iPhone. Basically stretch an iphone in 2 directions, use that for more memory, battery, screen (of course), and maybe multiple CPUs to give it the grunt needed.
We've suffered through computers called tablets which weren't (modified laptops, or laptops with trick folding screens are not tablets!), it's time to get it right.
Give me the following.
A4 size screen, high res
6-8mm thick
8+ hrs battery life
around 40gig memory (solid state).
Full OS
The usual wifi/bluetooth/etc
A proper dock for charging and connecting to other items fast.
GPS (one of if not the most critical item for it to have for it to work at all)
Enough grunt under the screen to browse and have an app or 2 in the background working. Doesn't need to be a power house at all though.
Durable, better be able to be tossed around in a car, or around the house and take some abuse, get wet and so forth.
The launch of the iPhone and similar touch screen devices was the big step that gave me hope.
I hope Apple does it, and I hope they don't mess it up (probably will though).
I just want an A4 sized, touch screen tablet computer, with a full OS, the thickness of an iPhone. Basically stretch an iphone in 2 directions, use that for more memory, battery, screen (of course), and maybe multiple CPUs to give it the grunt needed.
We've suffered through computers called tablets which weren't (modified laptops, or laptops with trick folding screens are not tablets!), it's time to get it right.
Give me the following.
A4 size screen, high res
6-8mm thick
8+ hrs battery life
around 40gig memory (solid state).
Full OS
The usual wifi/bluetooth/etc
A proper dock for charging and connecting to other items fast.
GPS (one of if not the most critical item for it to have for it to work at all)
Enough grunt under the screen to browse and have an app or 2 in the background working. Doesn't need to be a power house at all though.
Durable, better be able to be tossed around in a car, or around the house and take some abuse, get wet and so forth.
1. As, Apple is heavily involved in the schools and higher education/research facilities/universities and colleges, Apple should be aware that paper textbooks and publications are on the way out for much of this market. Nothing in Apple's current inventory is ready for this change; and, of all companies, Apple should have foreseen this and should have been ready for it, and even better, should have ushered in this change themselves.
2. Therefore, the market is ready; but, a suitable technological device is not, as there are far too many restrictions/limitations and problems with use of the current generation/models of Sony/Amazon Readers. However, some universities intend to start using the Amazon Readers beginning this Fall, as there is no other suitable device, for them, at this time. The universities moving in this direction, say their goal is to eliminate the need for paper text books, entirely at their institutions.
3. I currently print out a lot of documents to simply read; and, would much prefer to not waste time, ink, paper, by being able to transfer them "directly" from my computer to a "Book Like", electronic device, such as an Apple Tablet Computer, should allow, if it's designed properly.
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2. Therefore, the market is ready; but, a suitable technological device is not, as there are far too many restrictions/limitations and problems with use of the current generation/models of Sony/Amazon Readers. However, some universities intend to start using the Amazon Readers beginning this Fall, as there is no other suitable device, for them, at this time. The universities moving in this direction, say their goal is to eliminate the need for paper text books, entirely at their institutions.
3. I currently print out a lot of documents to simply read; and, would much prefer to not waste time, ink, paper, by being able to transfer them "directly" from my computer to a "Book Like", electronic device, such as an Apple Tablet Computer, should allow, if it's designed properly.
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PhotoTraveler
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While going fully electronic would be nice. Printing stuff out just isn't likely to go away. Why do we typical print things out like PDFs? It's because we can flip through it easy, toss pages we don't need. Mark it all up and make notes on it, and view 1/2 dozen of them on our desk at once.
That's the problem of such things. No matter what they add in capability, you simply can't duplicate the experiance. Being able to mark up documents is nice, but right now, means to do that are very clunky and frustrating. Touch screens with stylist will help, but the interface for things will still need to be much improved. Plus the UI for making copies of a file effortlessly (so you don't mess up the original).
Aside from having 10 tablets on your desks so you can view a bunch of things at the same time, that issue won't go away.
Being able to flip through paper so quickly and effortlessly is just something electronic media has yet to duplicate and there really isn't a conceivable way for it to happen like we do. A next button that can do 1 page, or 10 pages, or a random block of pages without any different input from the user won't exist (computers aren't psychic). How does one get a half flip of page and right one one while looking at the other and so forth.
No doubt they will make strides, and yes all textbooks will go electronic. But we will be printing things out for a long long time. Paper doesn't die, no matter what any company says. You always will here things from PR saying "it was designed 100% in the computer/digitally", which is always BS, as endless stuff was printed out along the way and marked up outside the digital world.
Also without books or stacks of paper, how will people ever make cartoon cars driving over jumps, or stick figures dancing around?
That's the problem of such things. No matter what they add in capability, you simply can't duplicate the experiance. Being able to mark up documents is nice, but right now, means to do that are very clunky and frustrating. Touch screens with stylist will help, but the interface for things will still need to be much improved. Plus the UI for making copies of a file effortlessly (so you don't mess up the original).
Aside from having 10 tablets on your desks so you can view a bunch of things at the same time, that issue won't go away.
Being able to flip through paper so quickly and effortlessly is just something electronic media has yet to duplicate and there really isn't a conceivable way for it to happen like we do. A next button that can do 1 page, or 10 pages, or a random block of pages without any different input from the user won't exist (computers aren't psychic). How does one get a half flip of page and right one one while looking at the other and so forth.
No doubt they will make strides, and yes all textbooks will go electronic. But we will be printing things out for a long long time. Paper doesn't die, no matter what any company says. You always will here things from PR saying "it was designed 100% in the computer/digitally", which is always BS, as endless stuff was printed out along the way and marked up outside the digital world.
Also without books or stacks of paper, how will people ever make cartoon cars driving over jumps, or stick figures dancing around?
1. As, Apple is heavily involved in the schools and higher education/research facilities/universities and colleges, Apple should be aware that paper textbooks and publications are on the way out for much of this market. Nothing in Apple's current inventory is ready for this change; and, of all companies, Apple should have foreseen this and should have been ready for it, and even better, should have ushered in this change themselves.
2. Therefore, the market is ready; but, a suitable technological device is not, as there are far too many restrictions/limitations and problems with use of the current generation/models of Sony/Amazon Readers. However, some universities intend to start using the Amazon Readers beginning this Fall, as there is no other suitable device, for them, at this time. The universities moving in this direction, say their goal is to eliminate the need for paper text books, entirely at their institutions.
3. I currently print out a lot of documents to simply read; and, would much prefer to not waste time, ink, paper, by being able to transfer them "directly" from my computer to a "Book Like", electronic device, such as an Apple Tablet Computer, should allow, if it's designed properly.
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Ecocentric
Member
I am amused with the range of opinions here. At one end is a Luddite view that we can't get along without paper because there is no way to duplicate the experience. I think PDF in Preview does a pretty good job, and with the right program (I use Canvas) you can mark it up to your hearts content. Draw on it, doodle, or type; in the document or a layer over the top of it. A search function is way faster on the computer than flipping through pages. At the other end, what did you ever do before keyboards. There were whole civilizations that did pretty well without. I know an architect and a draftsmen that refuse to use CAD because somehow the pencil channels their expression. I don't mean to dis anyone's work style. Find the tools that make you happy and productive and work blissfully. I liked the Newton. It could have been thinner, I thought at the time that it should have incorporated a cell phone. Computational power is relative, who would have dreamed 30 years ago what you could do on a desktop 15 years ago, or that you can do it on a phone now. All the same, we lust for more power. The mouse has become indispensable, but I remember people that thought it was a crutch for the inexperienced, like training wheels for someone that couldn't type code in a flash. I took offense when "real programers" called my mac plus a toy. Many people find a stylus to be a very natural way to interact with an image, drawing, map or page of text. Touch typist are far more effective than hunt and peckers. Gestures, and touch are going to open up new possibilities. Have you ever finger painted or sculpted with clay, it is a tactile form of expression. I write poorly, but there are times where I often write or draw with one hand while holding in my other the object that I am describing. Can yo do that with a keyboard? Zooming, shrinking, stretching and so on is very intuitive with a gesture. Apple has had this technology for a while, some rumors suggest that they could have released a product two years ago. At this time, they are building a data center in NC that is several times larger than any other in the country. They are up to something, and I bet that it will change the way a lot of people do things. I will also bet that the usual crowd will point out that someone else did it first, or is doing it better, and everyone else is doing it cheaper. I can't wait to see what it is going to be, and how it will work. Anyone else ready for a new killer application? BRING ME NEW TOOLS!
mario alessi
Well-known member
My point was to spur the thought that id need not any keyboard "built in" at all.
Just as the first personal computers had fixed keyboards, then later detachable but wired, now wireless. There is no reason to even include one at all. Let the third party people come up with all kinds of alternatives.
It would be nice if there was a open space where i could install a different keyboard on my laptop.
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Just as the first personal computers had fixed keyboards, then later detachable but wired, now wireless. There is no reason to even include one at all. Let the third party people come up with all kinds of alternatives.
It would be nice if there was a open space where i could install a different keyboard on my laptop.
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Mario Alessi
mario alessi
Well-known member
Actually its getting to where things wont be printed out. Things are mostly printed out by "legacy users" myself included.
But with the advent of the iphone, and the backup of my data to a cloud. The printout is only useful if i have no electricity, and the information is useful.
Most of the new generation, doesn't physically write. They Type, and Read online. Rarely even sign your name, mostly you just type out you PIN as a signature.
Look at photography, the youth doesn't even bother to print the photos. They stay on the web or inside the camera or phone. To them the content is more fluid, less valuable. Which has its pros and cons of course.
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Mario Alessi
But with the advent of the iphone, and the backup of my data to a cloud. The printout is only useful if i have no electricity, and the information is useful.
Most of the new generation, doesn't physically write. They Type, and Read online. Rarely even sign your name, mostly you just type out you PIN as a signature.
Look at photography, the youth doesn't even bother to print the photos. They stay on the web or inside the camera or phone. To them the content is more fluid, less valuable. Which has its pros and cons of course.
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Mario Alessi
At, least not as much as some of us use to. For example, since my previous posts in this thread, I have found a cute little iPhone App. that lets me quickly "bonjour" just about any document or image (haven't found any yet that won't do so) over to my iPhone in a folder I have marked "Documents" --- I read them in "landscape view" (portrait view works too, but I prefer landscape); and, after reading them, simply delete, as they are already saved in archives on my Mac or an external hard drive, where I keep my documents/files.
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whazzup
Leading Member
Either I'm old fashioned or learning disabled. I still need physical paper to write on.
I'm contemplating an eBook reader (Sony or Kindle), but I'm anxious about not being able to take notes. And, plus, I can't type very well.
I'm contemplating an eBook reader (Sony or Kindle), but I'm anxious about not being able to take notes. And, plus, I can't type very well.
Jon L
Senior Member
If so, I'm not interested! Other wise I'm in with both feet, and I don't need a keyboard. JonL
Angular Mo
Senior Member
it sure better !For me the Apple 'tablet' idea would be an amazing piece of kit if:
Number one deal breaker though is full OSX! cut down macbook WIN...bigger iphone LOSE
I know Apple could well pull something amazing out but I honestly can't image what a big iphone/ipod touch would be used for, the apps would look awful, and without significant changes all the features would just look like they'd been blown up for a bigger screen. if its 5/7 inches and supports HD then I can see a market but at 10" it sounds like a bit of a joke IMHO.
3) runs full OSX
I completely agree.
If it is a large iPod Touch....no thanks a big rip off....
Hmm, that sounds likely more realistic.
Why would Apple want to impair the marketability Air line of computers ?
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Angular Mo
Senior Member
flipping through a paper book..that is what call real browsing !
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digicaman2
Senior Member
No one would know yet. However, there is a very good bet that it will be.
My guess is that it will be more on the Iphone/Itouch platform.....
If you want an iTablet3G with a wireless 3G service agreement the cost will be, say $599.
If you want an iTablet without wireless (but with WIFI only) the cost will be, say, $899.
There is nothing "scientific" about the prices I picked, they are only for illustration.
My guess is that it will be more on the Iphone/Itouch platform.....
If you want an iTablet3G with a wireless 3G service agreement the cost will be, say $599.
If you want an iTablet without wireless (but with WIFI only) the cost will be, say, $899.
There is nothing "scientific" about the prices I picked, they are only for illustration.
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