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Except for APS-C, the 7D is what the 5D Mark II should have been.

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If the D300s had 1080p I'd really consider it for my Nikon gear.

But it's not with it for just 720.

The 7D really doesn't interest me that much.

I already have a 5d2.

The 7d body isn't even close to a D300.

I have a D200 which, bodywise, is much better than my 5d2.

BC
 
I could not have said it any better.
However, realize that Canon may have
a FF 3D right around the corner.

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Paul Grupp said:
If Canon wants to own the lucrative and trend-setting market segment that > buys professional-grade FF DSLRs, they need to augment their FF lineup very > quickly.
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Well since canon 'owned' the FF market for the last 7 years, I am sure they are entirely capable of carrying on so. Sony wont dent 5D sales, Nikon just might - then we may7 see some divergence between the 1Ds 5D & if anything is introduced in between the normal product cycles.

And exactly why are canon pro FF DSLR cycles so long, because Nikon & Sony have offered no FF competition for the last 7 years......
 
Not in the scheme of things. Lets keep full size sensors and 1.6 sensors seperate.

The 5dmkii gets you into full frame without spending the kind of money you would on the 1dsmiii.
The 7d is placed between the 50d-60d series and the 1dmkiii-iv series.

For a birder like myself this seems to be the perfect camera as far as technology will take us at ths time!

The 50d and later 60d lacks a few things that birders want and need--weather sealing, better focusing, 1.6 crop to help telephoto lens get a decent image size of small far away birds.

At the 50d price point these criteria can't seems to be met without decreasing the sales of the 1dmkiii cameras. What was needed was something between the 50d and 1dmkiii and this camera is it.

The weight is nothing compared to what we get--a rugged body with weather sealing.

I for one will be getting one as soon as funds permit. Iwth technology changing fast it's hard to justify a $4000 camera every couple of years, like the 1dmkiii series. The $1200 doesn't quite cut it. The 7D at $2000 with grip and extra battery fits nicely in the middle--perfect price/feature point, at least for me--which is all I can speak for!!
 
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valetman said:
dotborg said:
The 5D Mark II is a great camera, but I really feel that the 7D (with the exception of sensor size) is what the 5D Mark II should have been.

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Utterly wrong .

The original 5D was a camera with low fps , basic AF but a high (for the time) resolution full frame sensor that gave exceptional image quality, all wrapped up in a xxd type body.

The 5DII is EXACTLY the same in terms of current technology, which is what should be expected, with the added bonus of exceptional video output.

The problem is people thinking the 5D would morph into a completley different camera during its passage from one iteration to another, and then claiming that Canon not meeting their fantasy ideal is the camera makers fault.
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Well, let's just say that there is a market for it, whether you agree or not. It doesn't necessarily have to be called a 5D; it could be a 3D or 4D or 2D or whatever.

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I got a very high keeper rate with soccer players on the far side of the field.
Ludovic Monchat said:
Every time you try and shoot even a simple kid, a bird in flight a distant plane, well, something really moving fast, the keepers ratio is low. Not that bad, but low.

I do not blame Canon, the 5D2 is headed toward cool shooters (I know, I am one of those) but seeing the 7D creates some regrets...

I hate marketing when it's too clever. I'm sure the 6D will soon exist with maybe a better FF sensor inside a 7D body. That will be the ultimate non pro cam and will drain pros from the 1 series.
JackM said:
Ludovic Monchat said:
And the 5D2 looks more and more like a bad move even if the cam is still fine and takes axcellent shots despite a sluggish AF and FPS.
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These 5D2 sports shots seem to contradict you:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=32818253
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stevetog said:
stevetog said:
If Canon wants to own the lucrative and trend-setting market segment that > buys professional-grade FF DSLRs, they need to augment their FF lineup very > quickly.
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Well since canon 'owned' the FF market for the last 7 years, I am sure they are entirely capable of carrying on so. Sony wont dent 5D sales, Nikon just might - then we may7 see some divergence between the 1Ds 5D & if anything is introduced in between the normal product cycles.

And exactly why are canon pro FF DSLR cycles so long, because Nikon & Sony have offered no FF competition for the last 7 years......
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otoh, you can turn that around if canon was so smart why are they looking to fall behind these players who were so far behind?
 
dotborg said:
Well, let's just say that there is a market for it, whether you agree or not. It doesn't necessarily have to be called a 5D; it could be a 3D or 4D or 2D or whatever.

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Thats a completely different assertation to your original one.

You claimed the 5DII should have been the 'full frame' 7D.

As I pointed out, that is entirely wrong. the 5D to 5D II is exactly what one should expect from one iteration to the next, the same basic design philosphy using the current tech available.

Now , if you are saying Canon should make a full frame 7D , then yes, not only should they, its highly likely they will at some point.

It wont be called 5D though. Canon never change the basic ethos of a camera line, they never have, they never will. An XXD will always be a reasonably well built jack of all trades prosumer camera, this is why the 7D is just that, a new line, the 60D will still come, and will be the 50D with video etc. The 5D will always be a great sensor in an XXD body, and any major improvements to framerates/AF etc that alter its designed functionality will simply mean a new product line. The fabled 3D.

(In film terms , this would be the transition from the Eos 5 to the Eos 3)

It wont match the 7D in framerate, and it wont match the 5D in pixel density though, and will likely be more expensive than either.

To get the best of the 7D and 5D in a single body you will have to buy a 1 series, and that will never change for the forseeable future. Its simply Canons basic business strategy.

Im not saying its right, I'm rather saying this is how Canon has operated for as long as I have owned them (my first eos purchase was a brand new Eos 5 film camera, many years ago) , and convincing yourself it will change to suit what you want can only ever lead to dissapointment.

I currently shoot a 5D, 40D and Eos 3.

they all have strengths and weaknesses, and all are more capable image makers than the person holding them.
The 40D will be replaced by a 7D.

Eventually my Eos 3 will be replaced by a digital body with similar capability, I suspect the 7D will be at the end of its production cycle before that happens.

I would prefer it sooner, by realistically its not going to happen.
 
Don't try and convince me that the 5D2 is a sport cam... The AF is reliable and can do wonders on static subjects, but the Servo (only on the center point and with the invisible assist points turned on) get it spot on occasionnally. Add to this 3.9 fps and you will not get a high ratio of keepers.

I have shot some birds, planes, dogs and toddlers and unless I'm good to be thrown away as a photographer, this cam doesn't shine in this particular department.

I'm not bashing Canon, I have a 5D and 5D2 and use extensively both of them, but the AF is not by far the main attraction of both.

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21 MP, clean high ISO - (go see the direct comparison site with the Sony mush & Nikon not quite so mush) and video etc.....exactly how far behind is that ?
 
stevetog said:
And exactly why are canon pro FF DSLR cycles so long, because Nikon & Sony have offered no FF competition for the last 7 years......
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That's not the case. I've heard the nikon's pro models are on 4 year cycles aside from a refresh such as an "s" thrown in here or there with updated buffer, etc. to an existing model.

Pro model cycles are long because they sell a lower volume of them so there isn't the need to constantly put out new models unlike the high volume entry level and advanced amateur models.
 
That's why you get APS-C+pro AF or FF+crap AF, but not FF+pro AF. Because the latter would hurt 1Ds3's sales.

Canon said they made 7D from what users need. People who believed these statements would believe Mr Maeda's (Canon’s Director and Chief Executive of Image Communication Products Operations) explanation to why Canon used the same AF from 5D in 5D2. Come on, Canon. How many sports users would demand 18MP? 18MP was decided by Canon's marketing people, because it has to be higher than 50D and lower than 5D2. As a result, noise is visible at ISO100, and ISO400 is so so grainy (caused by chroma noise reduction). It's disappointing to see Canon's trade-mark silky smooth images to be things of the pass.
 
valetman said:
As I pointed out, that is entirely wrong. the 5D to 5D II is exactly what one should expect from one iteration to the next, the same basic design philosphy using the current tech available.
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No, you're wrong. The 5D is in their pro lineup and should get more advanced features. It's supposed to be above the 7D, but everything other than the sensor is far behind. The 5D Mark II was little more than a megapixel upgrade and it should have been closer to the 7D's functionality.

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Whoever said 'a picture is worth a thousand words' was a cheapskate.

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The 5D Mark II is a great camera, but I really feel that the 7D (with the exception of sensor size) is what the 5D Mark II should have been.

I agree apart the photos per second 5 would do
 
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