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What think ye of this equation: 3D = FF 7D?

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5D2's LCD is very bright so I normally would chimp and check out the images. I've been dialing down 1/3 or even 2/3. With non-caucasian skin, no prob.







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aarif said:
aarif said:
Or do you think Canon will "deny" us such a camera since it would take away > too much from the sales of the 5DII and 1D series bodies?
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That's what I'm afraid of too, as you know I'm not a great fan of megapixels and the more is not always the merrier, I guess unlike Nikon Canon always keeps a bit of distance between the 1Ds and the rest. how did you find the 5D2? I used it for a few hours, do you think it blows the highlights quite easily? And how about the skin-tones. Anyway I think with the current technology the 1dm4 a 16mp FF could be out of this would :)

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therickman said:
RedFox88 said:
therickman said:
If Canon makes a FF version of the 7D (aka 3D) and prices it around $3,000, I will buy two of them the first day.
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So you want a 1Ds3 without integrated grip for $4000 less than the 1Ds3? Keep dreaming.
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That's pretty much the current 5DII. Looking at the 1DsIII right now, all it has going for it over the 5DII is its 45-point AF system.
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Are you joking? The 5D2 has very light weather seals, 1Ds3 has bigger, clearer 100% viewfinder, better handgrip, dedicated CPU for focusing, dual memory card slots. AF and weather seals being the big items.
therickman said:
therickman said:
The 3D would not have dual CPUs because the 1Ds is for studio and not sports. Though the 1Ds3 does have 2 CPUs like the 1D3 does but you can't have a model that is 90% of the 1Ds3 for $4000 less, that'd stupid business.
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Wouldn't you say Nikon's D700 is 90% of the D3? I would. The 1DsIII is way overpriced (and so is the D3x).
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Yes it is and a stupid move for nikon. If nikon comes out with a $3000 or even $4000 d700x no one will buy a d3x.
therickman said:
Seriously, with all the specs of the 7D, and it still being listed at only $1699, a full-frame version shouldn't cost more than four times as much.

Manufacturing costs go down as technologies advance. The people who bought the 1DsIII were basically financing the evolution of the technology.
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No, because the 1-series pro models are always low volume sellers so they are priced accordingly. Not everyone needs a large, well built, very durable that can handle extreme weather so it won't be priced for consumer sales point since it doesn't have a mass appeal!

Remember entry level dSLRs far outside even advanced amateur models and pro models sell even less! And average dSLR owners are not users on here, they are parents taking vacation photos and pictures of their kids that "upgraded" from a P&S and are in auto mode with just their kit lens.
 
While I know that many will balk at this, but if the 3D has a much slower frame rate, and not as robust a build and weather sealing, that could be enough to differentiate the two.

Like others, if the 3D were just a 7D with a FF sensor for $3K, that would be just about perfect. Seriously, though, Canon should be thinking a little more aggressively than just what will differentiate it from the 1DsIV. That kind of thinking got their a$$es spanked when Nikon came out with the D3 followed by the D700. The goal should not be protecting 1-series sales; the goal should be taking back customers lost to Nikon and then some, as well as stopping more from going to Sony. Stop playing defense, and start playing offense.

3D = FF 7D, and put the best sensor in it that you currently have available -- $3K. Get your game back!

P.S.: Throw in ECF, just because you can. ;)
 
RedFox88 said:
therickman said:
RedFox88 said:
therickman said:
If Canon makes a FF version of the 7D (aka 3D) and prices it around $3,000, I will buy two of them the first day.
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So you want a 1Ds3 without integrated grip for $4000 less than the 1Ds3? Keep dreaming.
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That's pretty much the current 5DII. Looking at the 1DsIII right now, all it has going for it over the 5DII is its 45-point AF system.
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Are you joking? The 5D2 has very light weather seals, 1Ds3 has bigger, clearer 100% viewfinder, better handgrip, dedicated CPU for focusing, dual memory card slots. AF and weather seals being the big items.
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yeah and how many more dollars did they cost in the EOS 3 or 1V compared to a mid level model

how much more does the 7D with much of that cost than the 50D?

yeah not remotely $4000 more....

They could certainyl do something like a FF 7D (6.fps, 95% VF) reasonably for $3400 for sure. Maybe even for $3100.
RedFox88 said:
RedFox88 said:
RedFox88 said:
The 3D would not have dual CPUs because the 1Ds is for studio and not sports. Though the 1Ds3 does have 2 CPUs like the 1D3 does but you can't have a model that is 90% of the 1Ds3 for $4000 less, that'd stupid business.
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The 1Ds3 is stupidly overpriced.

Anwyay they can bump 1Ds4 up to 36-50MP for $5500 (that is still a LARGE premium) and make a 21MP 3D for $3400.
RedFox88 said:
RedFox88 said:
Wouldn't you say Nikon's D700 is 90% of the D3? I would. The 1DsIII is way overpriced (and so is the D3x).
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Yes it is and a stupid move for nikon. If nikon comes out with a $3000 or even $4000 d700x no one will buy a d3x.
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it might bring over a lot of converts
RedFox88 said:
RedFox88 said:
Seriously, with all the specs of the 7D, and it still being listed at only $1699, a full-frame version shouldn't cost more than four times as much.

Manufacturing costs go down as technologies advance. The people who bought the 1DsIII were basically financing the evolution of the technology.
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No, because the 1-series pro models are always low volume sellers so they are priced accordingly. Not everyone needs a large, well built, very durable that can handle extreme weather so it won't be priced for consumer sales point since it doesn't have a mass appeal!

Remember entry level dSLRs far outside even advanced amateur models and pro models sell even less! And average dSLR owners are not users on here, they are parents taking vacation photos and pictures of their kids that "upgraded" from a P&S and are in auto mode with just their kit lens.
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Cheburashka said:
While I know that many will balk at this, but if the 3D has a much slower frame rate, and not as robust a build and weather sealing, that could be enough to differentiate the two.
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agh dont say slow fps, then it is just a 5D3.

I say differentiate the 1Ds4 with TONS of MP and a 100% and ultra-sealing and f/8 AF.
Cheburashka said:
Like others, if the 3D were just a 7D with a FF sensor for $3K, that would be just about perfect. Seriously, though, Canon should be thinking a little more aggressively than just what will differentiate it from the 1DsIV. That king of thinking got their a$$es spanked when Nikon came out with the D3 followed by the D700. The goal should not be protecting 1-series sales; the goal should be taking back customers lost to Nikon and then some, as well as stopping more from going to Sony. Stop playing defense, and stard playing offense.

3D = FF 7D, and put the best sensor in it that you currently have available -- $3K. Get your game back!

P.S.: Throw in ECF, just because you can. ;)
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agreed i think it would be at leat $3100 and maybe $3400 to be a little more reasonable though.
 
Sam I am said:
3/7=FF
is exactly the same as:
FF=3/7
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When you square root both sides of an equation, you get a positive and negative root. For example, X^2 = 25 --> X = -5, 5. Often, one of the roots (usually the negative one) is an extraneous solution that does not work in the original equation, so we have to check for that. But, in the case of 3D = FF 7D, both the positive and negative solutions work in the original equation. However, even if the root works in the original equation, it can still be nonsensical, such as when solving for the side of a square with an area of 25. As above, we have X^2 = 25, so X = -5,5. Both solutions work in the original equation, but only the positive root makes any physical sense.

Now, tell me that all the above wasn't more information than you wanted to know! :)
 
Too long thread to see if everything has already been covered. I think this might be a valid equation. Feature set of 1DsMk4 will be far and beyond everything we have seen on current Canons. 5dMk3 will probably have 50D AF with better image quality. They should keep 5D line stripped and simple. 3D should be weather sealed good quality body providing feature set adequate for light professional use - I think 7D features will provide just this. Big share of pros will still prefer the top notch 1D(s) line with two memory cards, crazy speed, crazy battery life, crazy reliability, crazy sealing etc. and 1D(s) line will always sell to that crowd (and gadget enthusiasts of course).
Cheburashka said:
The 7D looks awesome, but it's not FF, and I like the advantages that FF offers. Is it possible that their might be a 3D soon that is simply a 7D with a FF sensor, just as the 5D was a 20D with a FF sensor? Or do you think Canon will "deny" us such a camera since it would take away too much from the sales of the 5DII and 1D series bodies?
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