Daniel L
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That's what i shoot, mainly, but not likely to get one after looking at both low and high iso images. I'll save up for 1dm4.
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Except for APS-C, the 7D is what the 5D Mark II should have been.
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Chez Wimpy
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Nothing, unless you risked your reputation declaring all the rumors fake
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よしよし、今日も生きのいい魂が手に入ったな
so you're denying it was a marketting release?
Chez Wimpy
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I wouldn't give up hope in the meantime. There is still room for a 3D (the one number left open) for a low-rez high speed FFer. Although I admit it is getting crowded ...
The 5D3 is going to be more of the same (not a bad thing from my perspective), 30+MP and 4fps... maybe even 5... We will know more when the 1D4 is released: crop or FF?
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Graham Meale
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From my quick reading it seems the main improvements of the 7D over the 5DII are better focus and faster continuous frame rate. The slow frame rate on the 5DII doesn't worry me as I use it mostly for landscape and tourism, never for sport (otherwise I might have got a 50D or something). And I'm entirely satisfied with the 5DII's AF.
Also, I'd never go back from full frame.
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Also, I'd never go back from full frame.
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bronxbombers
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in my case, yes, since it came out past the fall sports/foliage/wildlife/travel season anyway, maybe been worth waiting an extra year instead of now 2 more for a 3D. I guess wedding people did get an extra spring and summer season out of it, if not an extra fall. In some ways it does almost seem like since they waited that long they may as well have waited a bit longer. Then again the 1Ds4 is still not ready so they would've held until then which means like april '010 in stores and summer '10 available widely, so I guess that would be pretty long though....
it is a damn shame they had the 1ds3 holding them back, especially with all the gried the mkiii's got anyway.
i think their fear of protecting the absurd 1ds3 kinda put them into an impossible spot.
i guess the way to try to look at it is that at least with the dual-cam system you get more reach for wildlife in good lighting........
but it does hurt a bit to not have had some of the this stuff in the 5D2, which clearly, CLEARLY could have been, for $3000 or $3400 if they bumped the shutter/mirror to handle more than 4fps.
If they dumped this into it, their would've been the wildest raves and all the moon reveal would've been fully delivered.
The 5D2 seems to have just missed the cut-off where canon full out. I wasn't completely old canon in that they did give it the full 21MP sensor and not the old 16.7MP one as if they followed 5D footsteps directly, but they only brought it half-way. The 7D you can see they were going reasonably all out for a prosumer cam, ok they disabled or left out f/8 and f/4 precision, perhaps more tightly packed assist points and some raw buffer which even there give them right to boost the 1d4 price up, but they went way farther than they did with teh 5D2/50D/40D/30D.
bronxbombers
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they would've had to wait, no cam released, you kinda have to wait, no?
yeah in some ways the mess of the mkiii really screwed what canon could deliver,what a mess the mkiii was for them every which way possible
Chez Wimpy
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You would hope but the 50D demonstrated conclusively that features do not necessarily even trickle up (AF system for one).
At least Canon came to their senses and accepted that an APS-C camera with an honest focus system could co-exist with their 1D series (likely, I think, because the 1D is going FF next spring), but I have real doubts a camera as well specced as the 5D2 is going to get upgraded in that one (sports) respect.
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よしよし、今日も生きのいい魂が手に入ったな
one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't .. whenever you release something new .. there's always the prior purchasers that aren't happy and said .. we would have waited..
think about how well the 5D2 has sold ... that would have either went to sony or nikon ..
IMO .. what I want to see is a fasttracked 5D3 come out.
the 5D originally came out at the same time (nearly) as the 1Ds II .. so maybe in a year .. we'll have our chance for that.
I'm hoping at least.
Nothing saying that the 5D3 has to wait for 3 years .. canon's pushed up other deliveries (50D) at times.
I know one thing now .. the chances of me purchasing a 5DII just went south.
think about how well the 5D2 has sold ... that would have either went to sony or nikon ..
IMO .. what I want to see is a fasttracked 5D3 come out.
the 5D originally came out at the same time (nearly) as the 1Ds II .. so maybe in a year .. we'll have our chance for that.
I'm hoping at least.
Nothing saying that the 5D3 has to wait for 3 years .. canon's pushed up other deliveries (50D) at times.
I know one thing now .. the chances of me purchasing a 5DII just went south.
Sometimes size counts depending on what you want to do with it. To me this would be a great birder, but certainly not a scenic.
if Canon makes 5d2 with 8fps and a sealed body, whos gonna buy the 1ds?
think people think...
think people think...
David Hull
Veteran Member
Looks like a pretty good camera to me. I am trying to talk my wife into upgrading here 50D so I can borrow it 
Looks like they put in a lot of the stuff people have been bellyaching about over the last year or so. Thank God tehy kept the "print" button ;-)
Looks like they put in a lot of the stuff people have been bellyaching about over the last year or so. Thank God tehy kept the "print" button ;-)
PoonCK
Member
Nothing, if you don't squeeze too many pixels in it, ahead of technological advancement. Many if not most of knowledgeable photographers would not want a noisy camera by today's standard. Putting 18Mb in an APS-C sensor is to trick the uniformed users, probably those in China, where the most sales will likely be.
This last part is interesting. I'm actually thinking "probably those in USA", but to each his own.
PoonCK
Member
Of course there are exceptions in everything; and there are people with specific requirements/preference which it will meet. However, there are many uniformed that will be tricked. How can I cover all conditions in a short message.
Yes but not low rez. It will be a 24MP 3D that has all the bells and whistles of 7D and costs $500~$1000 more than 5DII.
not many will be "tricked" with a $1700 USD camera body.
and besides .. IQ wise, it is appearing to be better than it's 50D 1200 USD counterpart .. so what exactly is the "trick" part here.
perhaps this uneducated, non-bright photographer is missing something here. I see a cropped body with a significantly better viewfinder, nice featureset for the most part, and image quality better than a 10Mp sensor of the same crop factor.
What makes you think you are "more informed" than those in China? I bet you are from USA.
PoonCK
Member
I have nothing more to add. This is your preference, by your criteria. You are entitled to your opinion.
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