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I think Canon get the picture well.

I have been posting here a couple of times today...!

P&S DC sensor are still very noisy at higher sensitivities (Higher ISO)

HD on a point & shoot sensor can only mean additioanl noise, but not necessary improving it's quality..!

Also, HD video needs lots of processing power and space on a computer...!

For example, the video shooting at 1080p - 7min 23s video shot with my 5DM2 use up over 2000MB (2.04GB).

I have no problem playing with this, since I am a full time IT administrator + professional wedding photographer. Means, I have no issue with upgrading computers, and I need fast computer to process tons of Raw files. And I have a full backup system to deal with approx 3 Terabytes of data.

For an average user..., I don't think it's the right time to do HD yet. For non-average user, p&s HD is not their solution anyway.!
 
i have always had canons, but they really have dropped the ball compared to other manufacturers.

HD would be nice, but it is definitely not the biggest omission - for example:

1. why the hell is the closest focusing distance on the S90 5cm? for anyone into macro shots, this is pathetic, particularly as this isn't a large zoom camera either.

2. why is the maximum shutter speed only 15 seconds? plenty of others have 60, why can't canon? (for lightning shots in case you're wondering)

simply put, if the s90 had these, i would buy it. HD or no HD.

other things canon seems to be behind on:

3. why does the ixus get 24mm and the s90 28mm?

4. other manufacturers are making backlit sensors and all sorts of things to improve low light - canon have given us an f2 lens (by copying panasonic BTW) which is great, but apart from that, all they've done is ramp up the ISO - and we all know what sort of images that will produce- and a reduced resolution image at 2.5 MP in 'low light mode'- what the hell is that?

5. no optical zoom when filming - yes i know it isn't a camcorder, but why would anyone carry both when there are cameras like the panasonic ZS and ZR series around.

6. high zoom in compact body - the sx20 is not what i consider compact - and the sx200 had some unforgivable flaws (including that flash-what a joke)

quite frankly, all this technology is out there and whats more has been for a while (except maybe backlit sensors in P&S) - canon are just being lazy and riding their once-envible reputation and giving us nothing really inovative.

if you are biased canon user and don't agree with me, lets not forget that last year the guys at dpreview awarded the compact super zoom AND prosumer tests to panasonic, and the premium compact test went to fuji. i remember a time when canon was top dog.
 
Canon doesn't want to or intend to pick sides re the issue of still IQ vs. HD video capability. The long-term goal is undoubtedly to elevate technology in order to offer both in one package but in the meantime, pick your poison so to speak.

The G11 is a promising product which doesn't do it all. But many, I'm sure, would be perfectly happy if the device excels at taking still images. There's a place in Canon's line-up for such a device.
 
I agree, for me, the biggest problem is the small sensor. Canon had an opportunity to take a stab at Oly's E-P1 and include a larger sensor in the G11. I would have preferred to have a non-interchangeable lens zoom camera over the micro 4/3 changeable lens offerings. Canon is going the way of General Motors, letting others produce better products while remaining stodgy and not believing current owners will switch brands. There was a moment when GM could have changed course and not ended up in bankrupcy court. Its ego and pride let that moment slip by. This may be Canon's moment, I hope they don't ignore it as GM did.
 
Schnake said:
Very disappointing line up from Canon!! The fact that the G11 has no HD is a start.... S90 looked promising.... but again today’s competition has HD. They managed HD and wide(r) range lens on the SD980IS so why not put that into the S90....

Obviously Canon aren't getting the picture! (so to speak)
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So what are you shooting with these days?
 
if you can't make a still photo 'move' then you need some photography classes, not a different camera.
 
I have five friends who own 5DMkII cameras. Not one of them videos.
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It sure seems like you're a panasonic user. Sorry that Canon didn't put out a model that makes you want to switch to Canon since you unlikely own a Canon. So there's no reason you have to leave Canon. :D
 
Yes, you'll get to see all the glorious compression artifacts and jerky motion on the big screen! :)
Rockchan said:
Old format is fine for youtube, but it can be quite bad if we watch it on TV, especially those HD TV.
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SLove said:
T3 said:
So regular video is fine for me. I just don't know why everything has to be HD these days.
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Because shaky handheld home videos with look so much better in HD. For the overwhelming majority of people HD video is just like buying a state of the art personal computer, which they then use just for Web surfing and MS Office: nearly all of that power and capability is completely wasted.
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Yeah, good point. I'm starting to think "HD" is the same marketing spin as "more megapixels". At a certain point, people really need to stop and figure out if they really need it. I have a Panasonic FZ28, and even though it shoots HD, I don't actually use it at the HD setting! I use a lower video setting because it's good enough for the casual video clip that I might shoot.
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My guess is that Canon wanted to reuse some of the "tooling" from the G10, therefore, they needed to stick with same sensor size and same basic body/lens design.

It would have been nice to see them use a 2/3" sensor, w/ maybe 10 or 12 MP, would have helped with the higher ISO shots as well I would guess. Not to mention their street cred.

For people that are ok with infinite depth of field, I suppose the 1/1.7" sensor is fine.

And if those infinite DOF shooters are also not into video and also happen to be flip out screen fans, then well, G11 is a dream cam?

For those that wanted some control over DOF and a little bokeh and also were hoping to watch HD-ish videos on their wide-screens well, they are out of luck.

The innards of the S90 seem to likely be similar to some of the Elphs, which probably keeps its price down, but once again imposes a few limitations.

But the S90 will be the hot seller I am guessing.

Canon is obviously letting Panasonic and Olympus test the waters with their MFT cameras. When and if there proves to be a market Canon will come in guns blazing?

For now, P and O are doing the market research for Canon for free!
 
webshark3 said:
Yes, you'll get to see all the glorious compression artifacts and jerky motion on the big screen! :)
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While that may be true. HD-ish quality video is now a feature consumers will expect, specially in higher end/more expensive cameras.

For people that don't use it, no harm done, for those that want it, it should be there.

I understand the sensor Canon is using might not allow for HD video and good higher ISO still performance. They should have come up with a different sensor in my opinion.
 
Wow, you are a salesman paradise huh?! He requested those features from the current specs of the cameras out. When Canon removes a feature already present in their current line-up, then there's something to complain about.
 
Greg Gebhardt said:
Schnake said:
Obviously Canon aren't getting the picture! (so to speak)
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Well I think they DID get the picture and hit it right on the head. They just did not include video. There are plenty of middle of the road P&S out there doing video.
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greg and I rarely agree (lol) but here might be a first ;)

I care NOT A BIG about hd video. and all the rest of the g11 looks good to me (a mostly pany user, by past preference).

so I find it funny that a lot of canon guys are jumping ship and other non-canon guys (like me) are looking at the g11 with interest!

I've given up on pany cams (battery-gate scandal) and so I'm looking to other brands for a decent STILLS camera that gives great UI control and decent PQ as well.

g11 looks interesting to me. first time in years, actually ;)

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GeraldW said:
If they really want the best quality video, then get a dedicated video camera.
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I just can't understand this line of reasoning. By this reasoning, those that want the best quality stills should all get DSLR's or Medium format cameras and not compact p&s's.

Also for those that follow this line of thought, do you carry a cell phone in one hand, a laptop in the other (for internet), a camera in the other other hand AND a video camera in yet your OTHER other other hand? Heck maybe even a dedicated GPS unit in your nth hand as well? Oh, lets not forget your date book as well, oh and also an adress book, heck, even the calculator and of course your MP3 player...oh oh, and the dedicated video player also....all fitting in your various pockets and or your nth hands. Or do you simply have an iphone/blackberry etc?

The point of having a compact p&s is convenience. HD video in a p&s is now a convenience that a lot of us expects.

Besides, 'get a dedicated video camera'? Sorry, but I only have a limited amount of pockets without having to worry about yet ANOTHER gadget filling one, specially one that is even larger than the camera in the first place.

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mpgxsvcd said:
Your friends paid way to much for their cameras then!
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Nope. They are moneyed. They are Canon fanboys. They are all sold to the idea that FF = superb IQ (in stills, that is). They feel that that the 5DMkII is IQ and handling wise the best their money can afford. They feel the 1Ds series a lil heavy and a bit extravagant as they still need to spend for their fancy sports cars.

If the 5DMkII didn't have video they would still have bought it.

Three of the five have moved up from 5DMkI while the others came from the XXD series.

Let me clear this out -I am not against video, HD or otherwise, in P&S or DSLR.

All I am saying is I don't think most of the 5DMKII users bought their cameras for the video. My reason for this is of the five that i know who have this camera none of them ever fiddled with the video.

I did fiddle with my Oly C8080 video and was so frustrated with its 15fps that I bought a Panasonic GS400 (mine was the silver version of the black mamba). Only to find out I didn't have the patience of editing with the various layers in Premiere for 5 to 6 hours for 1 to 3 minute clip. I sold the camera after a couple of months at half the price. I gave up on my Steven Spielberg illusions with the camera's sale.
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macky patalinghug said:
I have five friends who own 5DMkII cameras. Not one of them videos.
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