Agree with all that, and I want to see an underwater housing too. No idea why the G2 doesn't have one but the S40 does. Anyone?
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Canon G3 coming soon
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I'd say it is because of the swing out LCD. On the G2 the LCD cannot always be viewed straight on and doesn't have to be because it can swing out. This feature wouldn't be possible inside an underwater housing.
Clifton
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--Agree with all that, and I want to see an underwater housing too.
No idea why the G2 doesn't have one but the S40 does. Anyone?
Clifton
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Fielding Mellish89673
Well-known member
Hey Roc, I hate to be the skeptic, but if you are so sure of your details, with "sources" and all, why don't you provide something more detailed than "the G3 will be released soon." This is like saying "my sources tell me it will be getting dark tonight." My guess is you know nothing and are just trying to stir the pot.
I really meant announced, but release usually follows within oneDo you really mean "released" or "announced"?my sources tell me that the G3 will be released soon
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month of announcement
Ian Yates
Senior Member
No!, if you crop 3 MP then you have the equivalent of a 1 - 2 mp image at 8X. It's not a direct linear relationship.I'd like 6Mp so I could crop 3mp and still have a good image.
Then (if the g3 has a 4x zoom as the rumours say) you'd have an 8x
zoom anyway!
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Ian Yates
Senior Member
--I really meant announced, but release usually follows within oneDo you really mean "released" or "announced"?my sources tell me that the G3 will be released soon
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p@rsec
month of announcement
C2100UZ, D600L and that 1.45x teleconverter lens(fits both cameras) Kenko 3X
http://www.pbase.com/ihor/fotographia
rfb
Forum Enthusiast
Given the current digital market and the good reputation of the G2, the following minimal improvements on a G3 are necessary to remain competitive for this particular prosumer niche:
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
I totally agree with you on all six points, I could even live with its current 4mp, but to stay competitive I'm sure they will go 5. I just hope it comes soon!
Given the current digital market and the good reputation of the G2,
the following minimal improvements on a G3 are necessary to remain
competitive for this particular prosumer niche:
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
Rick Lay
Well-known member
Good list. Although I doubt they'll change the lens.... since they seem to be mass producing and reselling this one to other manufactors (like Casio).... This strategy keeps their manufactoring costs down. I think they'll release a camera like the Pro90IS to complete with the newer 4x+ telephoto cameras..... and it will cost more, of course.
On a new "G" camera (G3?), my guess is that they will add features from their IXUS/ELPH Digitals to the G2.... like auto-orientation and improve the interface (no outer ring style switch for switching between playback & camera modes). It would be nice for the playback mode to be more like the D30/60. I also think they will go for a higher megapixel count, but the same CCD size. Maybe they'll improve the noise reduction with 5mp resolution and the same CCD size as the current model.
On a new "G" camera (G3?), my guess is that they will add features from their IXUS/ELPH Digitals to the G2.... like auto-orientation and improve the interface (no outer ring style switch for switching between playback & camera modes). It would be nice for the playback mode to be more like the D30/60. I also think they will go for a higher megapixel count, but the same CCD size. Maybe they'll improve the noise reduction with 5mp resolution and the same CCD size as the current model.
Given the current digital market and the good reputation of the G2,
the following minimal improvements on a G3 are necessary to remain
competitive for this particular prosumer niche:
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
Gus Stangeland
Senior Member
First, I can't believe you guys are falling for these continuous posts by roc about 'my sources tell me' - he's just playing with you, he doesn't know anything.
Second, your list below - just ain't gonna happen - dream on!
Think about it - the current G2 is the #1 prosumer camera, highlighted in many, many digital camera magazines for the last several months - listed as the BEST digital camera by many magazines - the demand for it is so high that Canon can't meet it, stores are continually out of stock.
Why in the world would Canon kill it's own Golden Goose at this point in time. Again, I say, think about it - it ain't gonna happen.
BUT, what WILL happen, is that roc will continue posting these 'Elvis' sightings and a bunch of you will continue to buy into it - why, I don't know, I don't get it. Maybe it's a Roswell or a Memphis thing, and there's no cure.
Second, your list below - just ain't gonna happen - dream on!
Think about it - the current G2 is the #1 prosumer camera, highlighted in many, many digital camera magazines for the last several months - listed as the BEST digital camera by many magazines - the demand for it is so high that Canon can't meet it, stores are continually out of stock.
Why in the world would Canon kill it's own Golden Goose at this point in time. Again, I say, think about it - it ain't gonna happen.
BUT, what WILL happen, is that roc will continue posting these 'Elvis' sightings and a bunch of you will continue to buy into it - why, I don't know, I don't get it. Maybe it's a Roswell or a Memphis thing, and there's no cure.
Given the current digital market and the good reputation of the G2,
the following minimal improvements on a G3 are necessary to remain
competitive for this particular prosumer niche:
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
s k u l p t
Veteran Member
Because Sony is taking away their mraket share in digital cameras. Sony has the largest market share in digital cameras out of all the other companies including Canon.
And because Olympus is releasing the 5050.....
Here's a quick peek...
http://cf.olympus-europa.com/consumer/digimg/intro.cfm?id=C-5050ZOOM
http://www.jugend.co.il/katavot/frame.asp?url=showquestion.asp?faq=22&fldAuto=436
Take a 5mp camera with tilting lcd, manual controls galore, F1.8 bright lens, and you've got a winner there. Sounds like what the G3 should be like. I hope for Canon that they don't plan on sitting on the fat success of the G2. Bring on the G3. It will be announced this september. It'll be a heck of a lot like the 5050.
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And because Olympus is releasing the 5050.....
Here's a quick peek...
http://cf.olympus-europa.com/consumer/digimg/intro.cfm?id=C-5050ZOOM
http://www.jugend.co.il/katavot/frame.asp?url=showquestion.asp?faq=22&fldAuto=436
Take a 5mp camera with tilting lcd, manual controls galore, F1.8 bright lens, and you've got a winner there. Sounds like what the G3 should be like. I hope for Canon that they don't plan on sitting on the fat success of the G2. Bring on the G3. It will be announced this september. It'll be a heck of a lot like the 5050.
B a H
--Given the current digital market and the good reputation of the G2,
the following minimal improvements on a G3 are necessary to remain
competitive for this particular prosumer niche:
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
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Guillermo Shashte
Senior Member
AgreeFirst, I can't believe you guys are falling for these continuous
posts by roc about 'my sources tell me' - he's just playing with
you, he doesn't know anything.
My opinion:Second, your list below - just ain't gonna happen - dream on!
1) 5 MP. -yes
2) 4 or 5 times zoom. - no
3) Just sell the black version. -no
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom. -no
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus. - no
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2. - $700 yes, G2 discontinued
Look at the 2001 and 2000 timeline (G1 September 18, 2000; G2 August 17 2001). the G3 is coming anytime this or next month.Why in the world would Canon kill it's own Golden Goose at this
point in time. Again, I say, think about it - it ain't gonna happen.
BUT, what WILL happen, is that roc will continue posting these
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G. Shashte
Ron Strong
Well-known member
OK - I believe you - so how does it work?No!, if you crop 3 MP then you have the equivalent of a 1 - 2 mpI'd like 6Mp so I could crop 3mp and still have a good image.
Then (if the g3 has a 4x zoom as the rumours say) you'd have an 8x
zoom anyway!
image at 8X. It's not a direct linear relationship.
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Ron Strong
Leeds, UK
http://www.strong.org.uk/
photos: http://www.strong.org.uk/gallery
5MP - yes, because of trend.
Rather than replacing G2, Canon needs to roll out Pro IS 90 replacement to compete with 707 and 5700. Currently, Canon has no offerings beyond 3X zoom lens.
But I agree that there is no need for 6mp, even 5mp. 3-4 MP is actually great. In fact I prefer a solid non dead/hot pixel 3mp than problematic prosumer 5-6mps.
This is where D30 comes in. True, it costs more, but I'm sure the built quality and image quiality is excellent. I'm just surprised with D60 out, why isn't D30 selling MUCH cheaper. It if hits the $1000 range, man that will knock out 5700, 707, D7i, etc.
Rather than replacing G2, Canon needs to roll out Pro IS 90 replacement to compete with 707 and 5700. Currently, Canon has no offerings beyond 3X zoom lens.
But I agree that there is no need for 6mp, even 5mp. 3-4 MP is actually great. In fact I prefer a solid non dead/hot pixel 3mp than problematic prosumer 5-6mps.
This is where D30 comes in. True, it costs more, but I'm sure the built quality and image quiality is excellent. I'm just surprised with D60 out, why isn't D30 selling MUCH cheaper. It if hits the $1000 range, man that will knock out 5700, 707, D7i, etc.
AgreeFirst, I can't believe you guys are falling for these continuous
posts by roc about 'my sources tell me' - he's just playing with
you, he doesn't know anything.
My opinion:Second, your list below - just ain't gonna happen - dream on!
1) 5 MP. -yes
2) 4 or 5 times zoom. - no
3) Just sell the black version. -no
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom. -no
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus. - no
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2. - $700 yes, G2
discontinued
Look at the 2001 and 2000 timeline (G1 September 18, 2000; G2Why in the world would Canon kill it's own Golden Goose at this
point in time. Again, I say, think about it - it ain't gonna happen.
BUT, what WILL happen, is that roc will continue posting these
August 17 2001). the G3 is coming anytime this or next month.
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G. Shashte
Giordano Biondani
Leading Member
When you do 2X digital zooming, you are enlarging your picture by 100% in each dimension. So a 10x10 picture becomes 20x20: 4 times as many pixels (10x10=100; 20x20=400).
So if you want to do 2X digital zooming on a picture, and still end up with the quality equivalent to a 3MP picture, you need 4x3MP=12MP in your original picture.
This is what you would need in order to be able to do 8X total zoom with a camera that has a 4X optical zoom (4X optical x 2X digital).
If the camera has only 6MP, your 2X digital zooming will leave you with the quality equivalent to a 1.5MP picture. Assuming you're looking at the picture on a 1024x768 monitor, that's still pretty good.
http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=350641
So if you want to do 2X digital zooming on a picture, and still end up with the quality equivalent to a 3MP picture, you need 4x3MP=12MP in your original picture.
This is what you would need in order to be able to do 8X total zoom with a camera that has a 4X optical zoom (4X optical x 2X digital).
If the camera has only 6MP, your 2X digital zooming will leave you with the quality equivalent to a 1.5MP picture. Assuming you're looking at the picture on a 1024x768 monitor, that's still pretty good.
--OK - I believe you - so how does it work?No!, if you crop 3 MP then you have the equivalent of a 1 - 2 mpI'd like 6Mp so I could crop 3mp and still have a good image.
Then (if the g3 has a 4x zoom as the rumours say) you'd have an 8x
zoom anyway!
image at 8X. It's not a direct linear relationship.
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Ron Strong
Leeds, UK
http://www.strong.org.uk/
photos: http://www.strong.org.uk/gallery
http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=350641
Jason Hutchinson
Forum Pro
Sadly, if you're looking at those 1600mm effective shots on a 2048x1536 monitor, I find the images are lacking a little something. Of course, could be the lens. I'll have to rent some serious glass to see.If the camera has only 6MP, your 2X digital zooming will leave you
with the quality equivalent to a 1.5MP picture. Assuming you're
looking at the picture on a 1024x768 monitor, that's still pretty
good.
Jason
Gus Stangeland
Senior Member
I took a quick peek, and my reaction was 'ho-hum'. So it has 5 mp - that is not going to be even noticable on your pictures - definitely on a monitor, a 4x6 print, unlikely even on an 8x10 print. What you will get is larger file sizes that take up more room on your hard drive, use up my CDRs when you archive them. I didn't see anything else that the G2 doesn't already have. The tilting LCD display - does it only tilt up and down? You can't beat the versatility of the G2 LCD.
There is NO WAY I would trade my G2 for this camera! So it takes all kinds of storage media. Hey, they are DROPPING Smart Media - they HAD to do something - it's about time. G2 uses the world's most popular, easiest to get, has the largest storage capacity storage medium, compact flash. I have NO interest whatsoever in buying a whole bunch of other types of storage media. Can you get 1 GB Micro Drives in Memory Stick?
And you know what else, the appearance of the 5050 instantly reminded me of my 4-year-old Kodak DC260 - which still works just fine.
The name 5050 is a good one, that's about all it is.
There is NO WAY I would trade my G2 for this camera! So it takes all kinds of storage media. Hey, they are DROPPING Smart Media - they HAD to do something - it's about time. G2 uses the world's most popular, easiest to get, has the largest storage capacity storage medium, compact flash. I have NO interest whatsoever in buying a whole bunch of other types of storage media. Can you get 1 GB Micro Drives in Memory Stick?
And you know what else, the appearance of the 5050 instantly reminded me of my 4-year-old Kodak DC260 - which still works just fine.
The name 5050 is a good one, that's about all it is.
And because Olympus is releasing the 5050.....
Here's a quick peek...
http://cf.olympus-europa.com/consumer/digimg/intro.cfm?id=C-5050ZOOM
http://www.jugend.co.il/katavot/frame.asp?url=showquestion.asp?faq=22&fldAuto=436
Take a 5mp camera with tilting lcd, manual controls galore, F1.8
bright lens, and you've got a winner there. Sounds like what the G3
should be like. I hope for Canon that they don't plan on sitting on
the fat success of the G2. Bring on the G3. It will be announced
this september. It'll be a heck of a lot like the 5050.
B a H
--Given the current digital market and the good reputation of the G2,
the following minimal improvements on a G3 are necessary to remain
competitive for this particular prosumer niche:
1) 5 MP.
2) 4 or 5 times zoom.
3) Just sell the black version.
4) 28 mm SLR equivalent for the wide-angle aspect of the zoom.
5) Improve the effectiveness of the Autofocus.
6) Sell for $700 and reduce the price of the G2.
rfb
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click a banner to feed the starving. http://www.thehungersite.com
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rfb
Forum Enthusiast
Your negative comments about the 5700 on the Nikon forum were interesting. Actually, most of the comments were very positive. Although the 5700 hasn't reach perfection, it is a prosumer digital leader with the 8x lens.
rfb
rfb
I will take a G2 or G3 with 4mp over the flawed Nikon 5700. TheSpecs, Specs give us specs. Will it be the Nikon 5700/Dimage 7i
killer or just the g2 with 5 MP
5700 is nothing more than a glorified Cp5000. The cp5000 was a
disaster to put it politely. The 5700 cost a lot more and the Af
is really bad on it. This is only one of the problems. Go see the
many complaints in the Nikon forum about this. The 5700 owners are
screaming for a firmware fix.
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