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I am really sad now. I have come to conclusion I am not fit to handle my 40D with tamron 18-200 in everything other than bright sunlight. look at this pic for example:

i focused on the lady on the right and this is what I got. terrible. I mean, if I would use point and shoot I would get much, much, better results.

seriously I'm planing to buy a good P&S instead, this SLR stuff isn't for me :-(

link
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2996575300054075756smAAog
 
does it seem sharp enough when viewing full size? it looks really bad for me.

for example:

I put the 40D on P, raise the flash and in well lit room and it gives me barely 1/20 on ISO 400. my point and shoot fuji f31 handles that so much better, IMO
 
Not that your picture has much wrong with it, but it's quite clear you're not really into photography. Too much overhead for no reason. You're looking down on the people. You're not holding the camera level. The depth of field seems short and the white balance may be off some. What lens did you use.

I can't see a single thing wrong with the cameras ability. In fact, just try to take that same picture with a p&s and see what comes out.
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read my first post. It is obvious I am not up to the task :-(

I thought If I use my DSLR the same way as P&S I would get similar results. but results are much worse.
 
Unfortunately I cannot download it to see what it would look like with a little bit of sharpening. Overall, however, it doesn't look bad at all. The lady seems to be in focus.

With flash though, try this:

Manual mode
ISO 400
Shutter 1/125
Aperture f/5.6

If that doesn't look bright enough, switch the shutter to 1/60.
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Olga
 
It's really hard to tell some of the juicy details because Webshots won't allow the original to be downloaded.

Was it shot with a high ISO? Auto mode? Shutter speed?

It looks like a typical indoor shot that suffered from slightly slow shutter speed. That's one reason the picture would appear "soft" when in fact it is a slight amount of blur. Your lens is also probably at or near maximum aperture which will also cause softness, especially in a lens with that much difference between minimum and maximum focal lengths.

Instead of shooting people that are obviously moving while taking the picture, try sitting the camera on something still and taking a picture of a fixed object across the room. Try it at ISO 100, f/8 and see if it looks a lot sharper to you.

Again, much of this is speculation without having the details of your camera settings.
 
While I know your intentions are very good, this person has said that they are much more comfortable with a P&S camera. That being the case, manual mode would probably overwhelm them. P, Tv or Av maybe, but not manual.
 
if you like to just point and shoot you don"t realy need such expansive camera like the 40D get p&s,and there are many good options like the canon g10 and others from panasonic and sigma and etc .
 
thanks everybody

here is the exif:

speed 1/128
apperture 3,5
focal lenght 18 mm
ISO 500
shot in AV

when I choose lower ISO shutter drops to 1/30
 
Compared to a P&S, the biggest advantage is that the sensor has much less noise, so you shouldn't be afraid of using ISO 800 or even ISO 1600. With the increased sensitivity, you'd get faster shutter speads and/or better depth of field (from smaller apertures/bigger f number). Plus, is you're not comfortable with post-processing, you should set the camera to higher sharpness/contrast in the menus.

But, don't feel that you need to use the DSLR if you can get photos you like better with a good P&S - maybe look at one of the superzooms, like the Canon S10 IS.
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Compared to a P&S, the biggest advantage is that the sensor has much less noise, so you shouldn't be afraid of using ISO 800 or even ISO 1600. With the increased sensitivity, you'd get faster shutter speads and/or better depth of field (from smaller apertures/bigger f number). Plus, is you're not comfortable with post-processing, you should set the camera to higher sharpness/contrast in the menus.

But, don't feel that you need to use the DSLR if you can get photos you like better with a good P&S - maybe look at one of the superzooms, like the Canon S10 IS.
And what is I use external flash, will i be able to choose higher shutter speed than?
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thanks everybody

here is the exif:

speed 1/128
apperture 3,5
focal lenght 18 mm
ISO 500
shot in AV

when I choose lower ISO shutter drops to 1/30
That aperture will give a fairly shallow depth of field which is why it may not look sharp. Also, DSLRs by default use very low sharpening compared to point 'n shoots because camera companies assume a DSLR user will some time post-processing photos to get the best out of them.

An external flash will help, especially in a smaller room like that where it can be bounced off the ceiling/wall.

But it sounds like you're expecting too much from a DSLR - just because you spend a lot more money on a camera doesn't mean you automatically get better pictures. This isn't a shot at you, just an observation of what people who are used to point 'n shoots expect.

Mark
 
While I know your intentions are very good, this person has said that they are much more comfortable with a P&S camera. That being the case, manual mode would probably overwhelm them. P, Tv or Av maybe, but not manual.
Manual is merely one more click. Even P&S cameras provide all modes including Manual.

And when it comes to taking flash photos with a 40D, there is nothing more simple that works as well.

Being more comfortable with a P&S does not mean that one does not want to learn how to use a camera they own.

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Olga
 
does it seem sharp enough when viewing full size? it looks really bad for me.

for example:

I put the 40D on P, raise the flash and in well lit room and it gives me barely 1/20 on ISO 400. my point and shoot fuji f31 handles that so much better, IMO
becuase the P&S shoot uses flash??

you need to use way more than ISO400 indoors if not using flash! 1/20th is way too slow! Go to ISO1600!
 
The problem is that you're using AV - this mode assumes that the flash is just fill and sets everything else (shutter...) based on the ambient light. It's almost as if the camera is assuming that there isn't a flash to get exposure, but just to fill in some light on a subject. I've found it really simple to set the camera manually at 1/125, F8-11, ISO 400 and shoot away. Fast enough to stop motion, enough DOF with those apertures to be sharp, and the camera/flash takes care of making sure the flash exposure is close. I now use a 430EX - but I would assume that the same idea holds true for the onboard unit.

My understanding of AV is that it sets exposure as though there is no flash on board -
thanks everybody

here is the exif:

speed 1/128
apperture 3,5
focal lenght 18 mm
ISO 500
shot in AV

when I choose lower ISO shutter drops to 1/30
 
The truth is that today's P&S cameras are very good. They do a lot very well, and they're small, cheap, easy to carry, etc. So in a lot of situations, they're actually a very good choice.

A DSLR such as the 40D is meant to allow you to get even better shots than a P&S could give you for the same situation. But one of the big reasons you can get those better shots is by exercising more manual control over the various trade-offs so that you can stack the deck in favor of what's important to you in any given situation rather than having the camera make the decisions for you (often doing things that are not to your liking).

But in order to do better than the automation of a modern P&S, you really do need to have the experience and knowledge to do a better job than the P&S's built-in systems. And they're pretty good these days!

So a good way to think about this is to decide if you're interested in photography as a hobby, and if you're going to enjoy learning more about it and doing the experimentation and study required to get progressively better.

It really can be a lot of fun. And a camera like the 40D is great because it will allow you to explore all of this very well yet it does have fully automatic modes for times when you just want to see what the camera will do on its own.

Of course, you still have to exercise more control than you would with a P&S, because you've got lens choices that would not be available with the P&S.

Since you've already got the 40D, I'd tend to recommend that you stick with it and see if you don't end up enjoying it all. There is a LOT to learn. Most of us never stop learning, and hopefully, we enjoy every bit of it.

Don't imagine that everyone else just picks up a 40D or similar camera one day, and is then instantly able to get great shots with it. It does take some playing and learning to get the kind of results you want. A lot of the shots you may see and admire are made by people who have been doing this for many years.

Also, keep in mind that P&S cameras do a LOT of very heavy-handed processing of the images that they capture. This processing is done before you ever see the image. DSLRs, on the other hand, tend to NOT do much image processing because doing so in the camera limits your options for that shot greatly.

Thus, DSLRs generally leave the images fairly "bland-looking". They expect that DSLR shooters will do their own image processing later, so they leave the images largely alone so as not to take that control away from the photographer. Part of that processing is sharpening. P&Ss generally apply a LOT of sharpening to the images. You can do the same thing, but with more control, and at a better point in the image processing process, by doing it yourself later with your photo editing program.

Also, DSLRs punch up the contrast, apply autolevels, and crank up the saturation a lot. Again, you can do that all yourself later, and with greater finesse and control.

And one final thing to keep in mind is that P&Ss generally use very tiny sensors. As a result, you end up with deeper depth of field with DSLR shots than you typically get with a camera using a larger sensor. Sometimes that's a benefit, sometimes it's a drawback.

I don't see anything wrong with your example photo at the size that it's presented. And I suspect that even at a larger size, with proper sharpening applied at the end of the image processing, it would be fine.

As others have stated, the composition of the shot leaves room for improvement, but a P&S wouldn't help with that. I do this sometimes myself, and have to constantly remind myself NOT to center people's heads in the frame. Doing so cuts off their legs while capturing a lot of wasted "dead air" above their heads. Don't feel bad, we all do it in the heat of the moment at times, and particularly when we're concentrating on getting an autofocus "point" on someone's face.

I hope you decide to keep the 40D and just play with things and end up enjoying the journey of learning and playing that you will have with it.

But I understand what you're saying. The modern P&Ss do a pretty amazing job with all of their automated shooting and processing. You can do better with your 40D, but to do so is a good challenge!

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Jim H.
 
Thanks a bunch everybody, I listened to your advices. the main problem is when I'm using AV the camera suppose that there is no flash. It doesn't say that in the manual :-(

Today I shot in manual mode, 1/60, F5, ISO 1000 with flash. I assume that without flash shutter speed would be lower? I'm hoping that if I use 430EX i will not have to bump the ISO so high. what is the purpose of the flash than?

i am pleased with this shot, but i'm afraid I was a lucky shot :-)

I choose one of the 9 focusing points, the one on lady's face and pressed the shutter hoping for the best :-)

 
Thanks a bunch everybody, I listened to your advices. the main problem is when I'm using AV the camera suppose that there is no flash. It doesn't say that in the manual :-(

Today I shot in manual mode, 1/60, F5, ISO 1000 with flash. I assume that without flash shutter speed would be lower? I'm hoping that if I use 430EX i will not have to bump the ISO so high. what is the purpose of the flash than?
That is a lesson that many people have to learn about the way that cannon flashes operate, you are far from being alone in this. The terminology can be deceptive as the flash in Av P and Tv are all "fill flash" modes.
i am pleased with this shot, but i'm afraid I was a lucky shot :-)
No you are learning to use a very complicated and sophisticated tool that as one learns more can produce astounding results. That is the fascination of this hobby the learning and the challenge to put that learning in practice and to reflect on our mistakes and improve through them. Photography is a unique blend of head and heart. I imagine that the posters above regret their insistence that anyone who comes from a point and shoot is unwilling or incapable of using a DSLR in manual mode. I suppose that the usual path is an entry level DSLR then the xxD and your departure from the "normal" path is upsetting to the traditionalists. Welcome to the learning curve
I choose one of the 9 focusing points, the one on lady's face and pressed the shutter hoping for the best :-)

 

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