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Right, because specs are all that matters. Performance is irrelevant.
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Right, because specs are all that matters. Performance is irrelevant.
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JortS29
Senior Member
You can already buy 3rd party batteries that work like the "chipped" ones from Panasonic.
glenncombs
Senior Member
I stand corrected on two counts. My memory is fuzzy at times. Sorry about that. Anyway, dpreview.com did give the SD880 "Highly Recommended" in its group test of several ultra-compacts. See this link:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408premiumgroup/page12.asp
Furthermore, it seems that at least one vendor has found some new or has some remaining stock. ($99 above full retail price of $300; priced at $399) Check at buydig.com or beachcamera.com, if you're interested. (The two vendors are the same company)
My basic point was and is that Canon, and other vendors should aim to make cameras for sale for at least a year. They may at times misjudge the market, and under produce models, below demand. But, if model is in great demand, the manufacturer should strive to meet the demand, by continuing production. It appears that Canon under estimated the demand for the SD880, causing the shortage of supply, and the high price resulted in the market for the limited remaining stock in a few vendors hands.
Glenn
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Canon S2, A610, SD880
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408premiumgroup/page12.asp
Furthermore, it seems that at least one vendor has found some new or has some remaining stock. ($99 above full retail price of $300; priced at $399) Check at buydig.com or beachcamera.com, if you're interested. (The two vendors are the same company)
My basic point was and is that Canon, and other vendors should aim to make cameras for sale for at least a year. They may at times misjudge the market, and under produce models, below demand. But, if model is in great demand, the manufacturer should strive to meet the demand, by continuing production. It appears that Canon under estimated the demand for the SD880, causing the shortage of supply, and the high price resulted in the market for the limited remaining stock in a few vendors hands.
Glenn
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Alexander...our wild child
Canon S2, A610, SD880
G10Rebel
Leading Member
I am still a devoted Canon fans, been one since 2005
but lately it's like seeing your favorite soccer teams doing nothing when their rivals are catching in the league. And when they do catch up and your favorite teams still doing nothing, well
camera brand is no religion
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but lately it's like seeing your favorite soccer teams doing nothing when their rivals are catching in the league. And when they do catch up and your favorite teams still doing nothing, well
camera brand is no religion
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http://hdr.strivearth.com | canon fodder
G10Rebel
Leading Member
If one to see only on the specs, one could assume that Canon is behind.
I am acting like one now and fear that Canon's days are.....shortened improperly
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I am acting like one now and fear that Canon's days are.....shortened improperly
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Andrew Butterfield
Senior Member
Except that third party batteries for the TZ7 (and other Panasonics) are dead easy to get and cheap. The batteries merely have to have an overload protection circuit or Panasonic cameras won't use them. No bad thing really. They don't have to be Panasonic brand. There are several available on the 'net right now at sensible prices. I just picked one up for my TZ7 that works perfectly and was low cost.
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Androo
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no it´s much more important than that... it´s hard cash
I have spent a lot of pounds on camera equipment and have to stay loyal to canon, so I hope canon will make a new G model that is better
jhsia
Well-known member
You wanted:
- How about 10-12 MP instead of 15
- HD video
- Zoom during video
- wider angle
- NO Lens stuck error
- stereo microphones
- creativity modes (Panny pinhole mode is a lot of fun, for instance)
- swivel LCD
a650 can fit in the pocket. SX1/10 -- not so much. I have a T1i if I want that big a camera.
4 AAs is da bomB!
wolfpuppies3
Senior Member
the G11 to be even finer.
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Photography at the speed of sound.
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Maddiestoys
Well-known member
Glenn-
I so agree-
I chose, and was happy with my canon sd850 as my every day carry around point and shoot. It met all my needs - nice pics in reasonable conditions - small - and has a viewfinder for emergency outdoor shots in bright sunlight.
I had planned to purchase a G9 as well - but then decided to wait as the G10 was soon to be announced (I have never purchased a G series camera before). After the G10 came out - I decided I would rather have a G9. Silly me! I had no idea that the G9 would be immediately pulled from the shelves (or whatever happened to them) because not a single new G9 could be found at the $460 price tag following the G10 announcement.
Frustrated - I chose to stick with my 850.
However- when I noticed the crazy short lifespan of canon camera's - I picked up the sd770is - because it retained the viewfinder, and I saw it on Amazon for $150.00. I thought I would have a reasonble backup for an affordable price- and I was afraid canon was going to completely eliminate the viewfinder (as all other brands have)
So... its just like me to be wrong on all counts. Although I think the little 770 was a good deal- Canon did of course offer additional point and shoots with viewfinders (and added HD movies as well).
I am not a "pixel peeper". I use my photos mainly for prints to be used in scrapbooks and the occasional 8 x 10 enlargement for frames- But I took some comfort in the fact that the newest generations of elph point and shoots are reported to produce lesser quality stills than the cameras I already own.
As for HD- I have the panny TZ5 which is useful for other reasons.
For now I am trying to control my senseless addiction to buying new toys for no good reason. Not only is it a crazy waste of my hard earned money- it also supports the insanity of the Canon camera model models 6 month lifespan.
So for now - I will contine to happily use what I have (I hope) until I find a canon/panny G* LX TZ SX2* with 10mp CMOS/HD 1080p that zooms while taking video/30x zoom/with raw and a viewfinder- in a credit card sized format!
Maddie
I so agree-
I chose, and was happy with my canon sd850 as my every day carry around point and shoot. It met all my needs - nice pics in reasonable conditions - small - and has a viewfinder for emergency outdoor shots in bright sunlight.
I had planned to purchase a G9 as well - but then decided to wait as the G10 was soon to be announced (I have never purchased a G series camera before). After the G10 came out - I decided I would rather have a G9. Silly me! I had no idea that the G9 would be immediately pulled from the shelves (or whatever happened to them) because not a single new G9 could be found at the $460 price tag following the G10 announcement.
Frustrated - I chose to stick with my 850.
However- when I noticed the crazy short lifespan of canon camera's - I picked up the sd770is - because it retained the viewfinder, and I saw it on Amazon for $150.00. I thought I would have a reasonble backup for an affordable price- and I was afraid canon was going to completely eliminate the viewfinder (as all other brands have)
So... its just like me to be wrong on all counts. Although I think the little 770 was a good deal- Canon did of course offer additional point and shoots with viewfinders (and added HD movies as well).
I am not a "pixel peeper". I use my photos mainly for prints to be used in scrapbooks and the occasional 8 x 10 enlargement for frames- But I took some comfort in the fact that the newest generations of elph point and shoots are reported to produce lesser quality stills than the cameras I already own.
As for HD- I have the panny TZ5 which is useful for other reasons.
For now I am trying to control my senseless addiction to buying new toys for no good reason. Not only is it a crazy waste of my hard earned money- it also supports the insanity of the Canon camera model models 6 month lifespan.
So for now - I will contine to happily use what I have (I hope) until I find a canon/panny G* LX TZ SX2* with 10mp CMOS/HD 1080p that zooms while taking video/30x zoom/with raw and a viewfinder- in a credit card sized format!
Maddie
matsf
Leading Member
Are you speaking out of expereince?
I am a long term Canon user (Had the S20, or was it S30, then S110, S230, and so on), but when I have looked at the specs, two times I have purchased a Panasonic, because those "specs" looked so great. First it was the TZ1, but I sold it because I did not like the noise reduction applied even at low ISO and the bad quality sound in the videos (sampling rate 8kHz... hello)..
The next time I did the same was just recently when I got the ZS1. Again, "specs" looked really good on paper. I returned that one. Very soft (in my opinion) at long zooms. And very slow zoom also.
I do not know, but I tend to like the image quality of my canons better than the other I have tried (Panasonic and Casio), but that said, there will come a time again when I will try something else and who knows, maybe at that time I will keep it.
I see no reason for you to "detest" Canon. Like many others already have said, if you do, just move on and buy what you want. But never say never, you might find yourself with a canon once again... right?
ZS1 hands on from a Canon perspective right here:
http://matspointofview.blogspot.com/2009/06/panasonic-dmc-zs1-hands-on.html
Mats
I am a long term Canon user (Had the S20, or was it S30, then S110, S230, and so on), but when I have looked at the specs, two times I have purchased a Panasonic, because those "specs" looked so great. First it was the TZ1, but I sold it because I did not like the noise reduction applied even at low ISO and the bad quality sound in the videos (sampling rate 8kHz... hello)..
The next time I did the same was just recently when I got the ZS1. Again, "specs" looked really good on paper. I returned that one. Very soft (in my opinion) at long zooms. And very slow zoom also.
I do not know, but I tend to like the image quality of my canons better than the other I have tried (Panasonic and Casio), but that said, there will come a time again when I will try something else and who knows, maybe at that time I will keep it.
I see no reason for you to "detest" Canon. Like many others already have said, if you do, just move on and buy what you want. But never say never, you might find yourself with a canon once again... right?
ZS1 hands on from a Canon perspective right here:
http://matspointofview.blogspot.com/2009/06/panasonic-dmc-zs1-hands-on.html
Mats
Just think about why you buy another brand in the beginning, then return to Canon? It is because while you want other brand's specs, you still want Canon's IQ.
People who stick with Canon for its IQ may detest Canon as they cannot get the specs that has already available in other brands. If Canon only produce crappy cameras, who will waste time to detest this brand? It is because there is something good in Canon, but it deliver enough improvement (or actually downgrade) that let people to appreciate.
Just like SX100IS, while Canon got stereo recording for years, it doesn't put it in SX100IS. For those people who like Canon colour and need HD video, it is a hard decision on choosing buy it or buy another model.
Fuji is doing same stupid thing. Have good sensor but rarely combine the sensor with good body or specs. I will never know why there is no histogram or E-series with super CCD (or a super CCD camera with more manual control).
Thanks for them and I have actually saved a lot of money.
People who stick with Canon for its IQ may detest Canon as they cannot get the specs that has already available in other brands. If Canon only produce crappy cameras, who will waste time to detest this brand? It is because there is something good in Canon, but it deliver enough improvement (or actually downgrade) that let people to appreciate.
Just like SX100IS, while Canon got stereo recording for years, it doesn't put it in SX100IS. For those people who like Canon colour and need HD video, it is a hard decision on choosing buy it or buy another model.
Fuji is doing same stupid thing. Have good sensor but rarely combine the sensor with good body or specs. I will never know why there is no histogram or E-series with super CCD (or a super CCD camera with more manual control).
Thanks for them and I have actually saved a lot of money.
It should be "but it fails to deliver enough improvement that can let people appreciate"
harrygilbert
Senior Member
I consider my Monolta SRT-101 a classic. It worked flawlessly for over 20 years.
Hmmm. Maybe that's what you get for buying the "lesser" model of the series. My experience with the ZS3 couldn't be more in the opposite. Here's a quick example....
Wide-angle shot. See those two bumps up on the rotunda? Maybe not?
The ZS3 can see them:
Another shot, this one with the whole Golden Pioneer in view:
I don't know about anyone else, but I consider these to show excellent long-zoom sharpness. These shots were untouched (not even to straighten out my can't-shoot-straight shooting) except for the resize with a minimal amount of unsharp mask, the same amount I use for anything I resize.
I'll agree that "detest" isn't the word, but I've gone from the first digital ELPH (S100) to the Pro1 and many things in between, but Canon hasn't really produced anything in the consumer line worth my business since the Pro1. Meanwhile, Panasonic has outright earned my business virtually ever since.
Like many other folks, I've stopped waiting for Canon to do anything other than rest on its reputation. I basically figure that in the end, it just really doesn't matter if they compete seriously in this market, because they'll sell great gobs of cameras no matter what they do. Why waste development money to compete, let alone lead anywhere in this market? They can just keep on making pretty little cameras and they'll sell containers full of them, with ease.
Tom Hoots
http://thoots.zenfolio.com
MEZEUS
Member
Just giving a wild guess to the figures I will say for ever one million cameras that Canon sells Panasonic may sell one. Not million. Just one. I have been doing photography since the 60s and I can honestly say I have never seen a professional photographer with a Panasonic camera. Actually I don't recall ever seeing anyone with a Panasonic. I don't think Canon will be copying any of Panasonic's secretes.
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G10Rebel
Leading Member
Hint: How many pro cameras does Panasonic make?
That says more about you than the actual sales figures. Would you be able to recognize a Panasonic without reading the print? Btw, the GH1 outsold every DSLR in Japan, and panasonic is larger than Canon in some Asian and European markets.
You think wrong.
Back in the 1990's I pledged never to buy anything with the Panasonic name on it ever again. Even if I live another 30 years, I will not violate this pledge. I say this even though I recognize that Panasonic makes some of the most innovative and capable photographic and electronic equipment around.
My reason for this fanatic position is simply this: Panasonic is responsible for the most horrific warranty repair experiences of my entire life - I'm 60 years-old!
I won't go into those nightmares in this post, as they are quite extensive, but let's just say that I was treated like a pile of dog s---t by the warranty people of Panasonic and that includes one of their top people here in the US at the time.
Canon, on the other hand, has always resolved warranty issues. Sometimes I have had to drag them kicking and screaming to a satisfactory resolution, but they have always "ultimately" done the right thing by me. As a result, Canon has made thousands of dollars off me over the past 40 years.
My brief venture into the world of Panasonic ended up costing me a significant amount of money not to mention the negative effects of extreme aggravation.
Has Panasonic changed in recent years? I'm not stupid enough to risk finding out.
Panasonic's products may very well be a little more "cutting edge" than those of Canon. But, when it really matters – like when things break and the promises contained in the warranty are called upon – those cutting edge goodies end up meaning very little.
My reason for this fanatic position is simply this: Panasonic is responsible for the most horrific warranty repair experiences of my entire life - I'm 60 years-old!
I won't go into those nightmares in this post, as they are quite extensive, but let's just say that I was treated like a pile of dog s---t by the warranty people of Panasonic and that includes one of their top people here in the US at the time.
Canon, on the other hand, has always resolved warranty issues. Sometimes I have had to drag them kicking and screaming to a satisfactory resolution, but they have always "ultimately" done the right thing by me. As a result, Canon has made thousands of dollars off me over the past 40 years.
My brief venture into the world of Panasonic ended up costing me a significant amount of money not to mention the negative effects of extreme aggravation.
Has Panasonic changed in recent years? I'm not stupid enough to risk finding out.
Panasonic's products may very well be a little more "cutting edge" than those of Canon. But, when it really matters – like when things break and the promises contained in the warranty are called upon – those cutting edge goodies end up meaning very little.
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