Deceptive Practice? Posting other photographers images as your own

I would just like to say that I know the good doctor personally, and his wife, and they are both charming people.

It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work, and they are very successful and talented.

The couple in question are paying members of several professional photographer's organizations and are respected, and in good standing. I wish that the slander against my friends would end.

Remember, that it is the capitalistic system that gives us all the freedom to be working for ourselves. Those who knock the doctor for frequently requesting information are short changing his ability to earn money. Let him be, he has created a sucessful business model that you would all do well to emulate...

That's my last word on this issue!
 
Yeah right this guy Rosen now; he thinks he is an " American ".

Blind is not the word; he is a complete idiot. This guy knows nothing about this country.

He is no " alpha male" : in the pecking order he is below the Africans, and he seems not to know it.

Mark
Mark is entitled to his opinions. Of course, I feel they are
shortsiighted, bigoted, and ridiculous. Mark is a liar. He feels
he is being attacked, which he is (and should be). He is not a pro
by any stretch of the imagination, and will most likely swindle
people out of their money and move on. I feel that those who are
members of professional organizations should raise the red flags
(not the white ones), and then we should leave Mark's threads alone.
Completely.
Utterly.
Don't be tempted.
Don't give the bully the time of day, or anyone to play with-we
have better things to do!

Dan Rosen
.
 
As I stated American brides are not stupid; they have seen this
pattern over and over everywhere and from what my wife tells me,
they want nothing to do with this kind.

Mark
I was not going to respond but I will say a few words.

I don't shoot weddings my wife does; she has been doing it for 7
years. Our website clearly indicates that. Most of the photographs
on the website were taken by my wife. Beautiful pople are a plenty
in Europe unlike USA. She makes people look beautiful even the ones
who are not; that is what she is paid for.

There is no deception implied or actual.

Wedding photography is a woman's business; for the most part by women.

Today's brides are not stupid; they would not hire someone because
they saw a website. Every weekend my wife shoots weddings; she puts
them on line right afterwards; the prospective brides see several
complete weddings before hiring her.

A few words about this site and men in general.

This site is inhabited mainly by men; for the most part American
women consider men as morons and my wife is no exception. A reveiw
of this thread clearly shows that they are witless twits.

According to stats 61% of the men in USA have not had a female
contact in at least one year... other than their mothers. On this
site it is 90%. Sexually repressed men and it shows.
Why I say that?
Because my wife finds the men here repgunet, along with most other
women in this country who seem to feel the same way about men in
general.

She would not post here takes issues with that fact that I
occasionally do.

She only deals with the brides rarely with the groom; small wonder.
Most brides will NOT hire a man wedding photographer; though I
admit there are exeptions. She is the one who deals with the
brides; I have enough intelligence not to.

For her business is good, she is hiring two more associates; they
would not be men.

Amerian men have a lot to learn about basic manners; it is quite
obvious heer. It does not take rocket scientist to know why
American women don't want anything to do with them.

This will be my only post on the matter.

Mark
Thank you for clarifying your positiion, doctor Zaki. You have
made it quite clear your perspective and disrespect for the members
of the forum and for the industry in general.

--
Jim DeLuco
DeLuco Photography
http://www.delucophoto.com
.
 
Silence?
May be you have not learnt your lessons yet!

Jim who started this thread, now thinks that it was inappropriate; I agree with him there. He apologized and bowed out.

Of the rest several people left with their tales between their legs.

I regret that I have to speak in the language that you understand; but I am sure you understand now.

Get a job.

Mark
I would just like to say that I know the good doctor personally,
and his wife, and they are both charming people.

It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work,
and they are very successful and talented.

The couple in question are paying members of several professional
photographer's organizations and are respected, and in good
standing. I wish that the slander against my friends would end.

Remember, that it is the capitalistic system that gives us all the
freedom to be working for ourselves. Those who knock the doctor for
frequently requesting information are short changing his ability to
earn money. Let him be, he has created a sucessful business model
that you would all do well to emulate...

That's my last word on this issue!
.
 
I would just like to say that I know the good doctor personally,
and his wife, and they are both charming people.

It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work,
and they are very successful and talented.

The couple in question are paying members of several professional
photographer's organizations and are respected, and in good
standing. I wish that the slander against my friends would end.

Remember, that it is the capitalistic system that gives us all the
freedom to be working for ourselves. Those who knock the doctor for
frequently requesting information are short changing his ability to
earn money. Let him be, he has created a sucessful business model
that you would all do well to emulate...

That's my last word on this issue!
Roliaz wonders:

Is this a testimonial on behalf of the folks at "A Fine Image"?

Perhaps it should be posted at their site under 'Testimonials', with the rest... oh sorry, yours is the first.

http://www.afineimage.com/testimonials.htm
 
So Mark said that "most photos" are his wife BUT you say
that all the photos are theirs?
What gives?

Your coming to his defense leads me to think that you share his anti-Semitic thoughts:

(his response to Dan Rosen)
Yeah right this guy Rosen now; he thinks he is an " American ".

Blind is not the word; he is a complete idiot. This guy knows
nothing about this country.
and his slurs of African-Americans:
He is no " alpha male" : in the pecking order he is below the
Africans, and he seems not to know it.
along & hatred of American Males in general.

Guess you two know each other from KKK meetings?
It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work,
That's my last word on this issue!
--
http://www.melhill.com
 
The scariest part of this entire thread is the thought that Mark (Dante or Zaki? Why the name change?) used to be a doctor. I find this very hard to believe! And very scary!
 
If this guy is using his real name that would be a weird coincidence.
if you are wondering how I knew that, type "Mark Dante" at Google.com
like I did.... (pays to see who your conversing with)

As far as the good Doctor goes, somebody has to graduate at the bottom of the class.
Maybe our Dr. Mark was "the guy" in his class at med. school.

No tail to hide between my legs...

ceyabymel

http://www.melhill.com
 
I would just like to say that I know the good doctor personally,
and his wife, and they are both charming people.

It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work,
and they are very successful and talented.

The couple in question are paying members of several professional
photographer's organizations and are respected, and in good
standing. I wish that the slander against my friends would end.

Remember, that it is the capitalistic system that gives us all the
freedom to be working for ourselves. Those who knock the doctor for
frequently requesting information are short changing his ability to
earn money. Let him be, he has created a sucessful business model
that you would all do well to emulate...

That's my last word on this issue!
Roliaz wonders:

Is this a testimonial on behalf of the folks at "A Fine Image"?

Perhaps it should be posted at their site under 'Testimonials',
with the rest... oh sorry, yours is the first.

http://www.afineimage.com/testimonials.htm
Further comment...

Change 'Under Construction' to 'Under Fabrication'
 
I thought I read in another post that his name is Mark Zaki.

I searched for his name and studio at PPA and came up with no results. He could still be a member. I have found their search engine to be finicky.

BTW, love your work Mel! It is yours, right? haha

Steve
 
I would just like to say that I know the good doctor personally,
and his wife, and they are both charming people.
That's not the point - I'm sure Hitler was charming to many people as well.
It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work,
and they are very successful and talented.
By their own admission, the photos on their web site are not entirely their own.
The couple in question are paying members of several professional
photographer's organizations and are respected, and in good
standing.
Just because you pay dues to an organization doesn't mean you're above deception.

I wish that the slander against my friends would end.

Yes, I don't want to slander them as well. Our concerns are relevant only to unethical business practices, not personal insults to intelligence, race, citizenship or gender. (which is where Mark has digressed).
Remember, that it is the capitalistic system that gives us all the
freedom to be working for ourselves. Those who knock the doctor for
frequently requesting information are short changing his ability to
earn money.
No one is criticizing his request for information. In fact, one of the greatest strengths of this forum is the ability to learn from those who are more experienced than ourselves so don't try to shift the topic here - which is deception and the ethics involved in "allegedly" portraying photographic images as one's own.

Let him be, he has created a sucessful business model
that you would all do well to emulate....
That is the question here isn't it. Should one's business model incorporate addtional images as representative of one's style without being credited to the original photographer. That is what we were discussing in the first place.

As a side note to Mark, I think you will find that degrading people who are trying to actively and intelligently take part in this discussion will not get you far with your credibility (and stooping to the level of the so called "morons" only makes you look the same). It does seem odd that in your earlier posts you indicate that your wife and yourself do not have formal photography training and have degrees in other disciplines (as I do myself) and you also indicate that you are pursuing the professional photography career and not her and yet the web site and this discussion seem to indicate otherwise. It is confusing. And before you denigrate my comments by saying things like "get a job" etc., I have a full time job, two university degrees (unrelated to photography like yourself) and work as a part-time pro who has more work than I can handle in the photography field but I couldn't resist the compelling nature of this thread.

You see, I can write intelligently without casting stones or casting personal diatribes towards any of the other posters. Some of these professional posters have worked very hard at gathering their best work together to promote themselves to their clients and you must understand that they are sensitive to those who "appear" to be more than they are. I don't see it as professional jealousy, just a concern for ethics.

--
CharlieMcD

If there's no passion in life - there's no life!
 
Not sure if this is the same guy but it looks like a match...
from a unnamed source:( worst kind but THANKS)

"His name is listed as Omar S. Zaki, 950 Massachuesetts, Cambridge; same address as the wedding photo place."
and look what comes up at Google.com

Professional Misconduct and Physician Discipline

... Omar S. Zaki, MD 20 Gas Light Lane Framingham, MA 01701 NYS License #114194 Action:
License Revocation Effective Date: October 13, 1994 Nature of Misconduct ...

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/opmc/news/94/oct94.htm - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Somehow I'm not suprised.....
 
Hey

anybody can download images, I thought that those images on my site
were the "kind of images" I would shoot if I wasn't busy digging up
dirt on other so called photographers.... ;-)

Nope, they are all mine Granted, I have and will always take what
I leaned from the photographers I assisted and put my spin on it....

Thanks,

Mel
I thought I read in another post that his name is Mark Zaki.

I searched for his name and studio at PPA and came up with no
results. He could still be a member. I have found their search
engine to be finicky.

BTW, love your work Mel! It is yours, right? haha

Steve
--
http://www.melhill.com
 
I'm not going to debate whether or not the images on Mark's site are his, his wife's, another photographer's, or Comstock's.

The initial question that Jim raised regarding deceptive practices is, however, a legitimate one that should be examined.

I posted my views above in: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=3244800

Unfortunately, that question can no longer be debated here, as this thread has turned into a shouting match, thanks in part to SRHookEm, who in his zeal to fan the flames cross-posted several messages from another thread, including one of mine under his name (another form of plagiarism).

Jim started a new thread to discuss this issue for a reason.

JohnG states that Mark and his wife are a charming couple. That may be, but I have to say his charm is distinctly lacking here.

Throwing invective and casting aspersions benefits no one—it only brings out the flamers who love to fight simply to be fighting.

This thread would have been a lot shorter if several of the questions that had been raised had been answered in a calm and factual manner.

With emphasis on “calm” and “factual”.
 
Sorry for adding to this mess. Too funny...a soap opera doc:

http://www.rdanderson.com/film/gh.htm

looks like we're dealing with a guy who lives in a fantasy world...I wouldn't be surprised if the photos on his web site were from soap-opera mags. He may well be schizophrenic.
If this guy is using his real name that would be a weird coincidence.
if you are wondering how I knew that, type "Mark Dante" at Google.com
like I did.... (pays to see who your conversing with)

As far as the good Doctor goes, somebody has to graduate at the
bottom of the class.
Maybe our Dr. Mark was "the guy" in his class at med. school.

No tail to hide between my legs...

ceyabymel

http://www.melhill.com
 
I got to tell you Charlie, you seem to be a very articulate and a reasonalble person; not every one on this forum is.

You made your points well.

First of all I am flabbergasted that someone would be interested in what I do or don't do; digging up old mail. What is it to anyone?

I have zero interest in knowing anything about anyone else here; that is the same treatment I would like for myself. May be it is cultural but this is something beyond my comprehension.

May be you can explain.

What we do is our business; what anyone else does is his business; it would never even dawn on me to pry into anyone else. What for?

So far as the images are concerned; most of them are shot by my wife; some are not; I don't see any problems in that. If you have a problem with that; fine don't do it yourself.

The fact remains that while men wedding photographers are going out of business females are thriving, you can make your own assumptions.

It is more than just taking images; my wife is the same age as many brides; she bonds with them. There is not a bride in USA or Europe that she shot her wedding who does not consider her a great friend.

I don't shoot weddings.

I found most of the remarks on this thread ( not yours ) were simply mindless; none of them know anything about wedding photography.

This having said, there is no point in belabouring ( that is the correct English spelling). Enough has been said; those who don't like it should move on. Mind your own business.
I agree with the silence; this would be my last post on the matter.

Mark
I would just like to say that I know the good doctor personally,
and his wife, and they are both charming people.
That's not the point - I'm sure Hitler was charming to many people
as well.
It just so happens that the photos on their website ARE their work,
and they are very successful and talented.
By their own admission, the photos on their web site are not
entirely their own.
The couple in question are paying members of several professional
photographer's organizations and are respected, and in good
standing.
Just because you pay dues to an organization doesn't mean you're
above deception.

I wish that the slander against my friends would end.

Yes, I don't want to slander them as well. Our concerns are
relevant only to unethical business practices, not personal insults
to intelligence, race, citizenship or gender. (which is where Mark
has digressed).
Remember, that it is the capitalistic system that gives us all the
freedom to be working for ourselves. Those who knock the doctor for
frequently requesting information are short changing his ability to
earn money.
No one is criticizing his request for information. In fact, one of
the greatest strengths of this forum is the ability to learn from
those who are more experienced than ourselves so don't try to shift
the topic here - which is deception and the ethics involved in
"allegedly" portraying photographic images as one's own.

Let him be, he has created a sucessful business model
that you would all do well to emulate....
That is the question here isn't it. Should one's business model
incorporate addtional images as representative of one's style
without being credited to the original photographer. That is what
we were discussing in the first place.

As a side note to Mark, I think you will find that degrading people
who are trying to actively and intelligently take part in this
discussion will not get you far with your credibility (and stooping
to the level of the so called "morons" only makes you look the
same). It does seem odd that in your earlier posts you indicate
that your wife and yourself do not have formal photography training
and have degrees in other disciplines (as I do myself) and you also
indicate that you are pursuing the professional photography career
and not her and yet the web site and this discussion seem to
indicate otherwise. It is confusing. And before you denigrate my
comments by saying things like "get a job" etc., I have a full
time job, two university degrees (unrelated to photography like
yourself) and work as a part-time pro who has more work than I can
handle in the photography field but I couldn't resist the
compelling nature of this thread.

You see, I can write intelligently without casting stones or
casting personal diatribes towards any of the other posters. Some
of these professional posters have worked very hard at gathering
their best work together to promote themselves to their clients and
you must understand that they are sensitive to those who "appear"
to be more than they are. I don't see it as professional jealousy,
just a concern for ethics.

--
CharlieMcD

If there's no passion in life - there's no life!
--.
 
I have fanned nothing. The other thread concerned this matter directly. I see others posting threads pointing the readers to other forums and posts in almost every message list. I disagree that this would be any form of plagiarism since the thread was colored in the typical "replied to" fashion. It's obvious to readers that this is not my original post but that it came from another source. If I'm not mistaken, didn't it also include the line "michael long wrote"--as it does below? If not, that was unintentional and I must have cut it off by accident.

If you read my posts on this topic, they have never been "flaming" and I have tried to be factual with every statement.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Steve
I'm not going to debate whether or not the images on Mark's site
are his, his wife's, another photographer's, or Comstock's.

The initial question that Jim raised regarding deceptive practices
is, however, a legitimate one that should be examined.

I posted my views above in:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=3244800

Unfortunately, that question can no longer be debated here, as this
thread has turned into a shouting match, thanks in part to
SRHookEm, who in his zeal to fan the flames cross-posted several
messages from another thread, including one of mine under his name
(another form of plagiarism).

Jim started a new thread to discuss this issue for a reason.

JohnG states that Mark and his wife are a charming couple. That may
be, but I have to say his charm is distinctly lacking here.

Throwing invective and casting aspersions benefits no one—it only
brings out the flamers who love to fight simply to be fighting.

This thread would have been a lot shorter if several of the
questions that had been raised had been answered in a calm and
factual manner.

With emphasis on “calm” and “factual”.
 
The other thread concerned this matter directly.
It was pretty obvious--to me anyway--that Jim was posting his question as a hypothetical in order to determine whether or not other pros felt the same way.

That's why it was a separate discussion, hopefully distinct from the personalities involved.

He even said, in the message to which you responded, that he preferred not to post the name of the member/site in question.

And no, the other message was not credited--not that I wanted it here either....
 
Mel,

Of course---everything's been done before. We only hope to establish a style based on the formulas set before us.

Steve
anybody can download images, I thought that those images on my site
were the "kind of images" I would shoot if I wasn't busy digging up
dirt on other so called photographers.... ;-)

Nope, they are all mine Granted, I have and will always take what
I leaned from the photographers I assisted and put my spin on it....

Thanks,

Mel
I thought I read in another post that his name is Mark Zaki.

I searched for his name and studio at PPA and came up with no
results. He could still be a member. I have found their search
engine to be finicky.

BTW, love your work Mel! It is yours, right? haha

Steve
--
http://www.melhill.com
 

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